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On November 07 2013 17:17 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 23:24 Onegu wrote:On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 01 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:On September 01 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk? onegu TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn? As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)? Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either.. That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu? Ok I sent a PM to the hosts and syl (hope thats not illegal/cheating) if I could talk about FT in P4 when we talking about I have never seen his scum play, and since at the time he hadnt flipped and the game wasnt over they told me I couldnt. But now that the game is over I have seen FT play scum, it had no resemblence to this game, but my main point about his meta with me was I have seen him play lurky town in GoT and in that game he still made reads on people just not many, and when he came back he defended himself and posted his reads for his post death flip, he did none of those things this game. While sounding like a broken record, his meta wasnt the only reason I voted for him. His play and lack of interest was also scummy. He deserved to die and I would have done it again because he was playing scummy and against his meta. The only thing I said to syl in the PM was can I talk about FT in persona, and his answer was no, the game is ongoing. Sorry if this is against the rules or cheating. I just wanted to know if I could talk about it. How is this anywhere close to what is going on THIS game?
It has to do with this game in a manner that i am explaining people why i said you do "tricky stuff" as scum and you are trying to misrepresent me by saying "i did stupid stuff in this game, therefore i am town, look, rayn even says here i do tricky stuff as scum and now he is calling me scum for the opposite" while not even trying to answer the argument i have against you.
You are defending yourself against something that doesn't exist and not against the argument there is against you.
I am telling people that this is what you are doing.
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Vanesco start talking about something that has to do with the current events or make a case on someone. You have now talked about the votes for a day and reached no conclusions. I will lynch you 100% if the conclusions are not in the next post you make.
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On November 07 2013 17:18 Vanesco wrote:
After me trying to ask why people decided to vote on gumshoe in the last few minutes of the day I only got 2 responses (by thrawn and rayn). Mostly everybody else has been kinda lurking up to this point and still hasn't given a reason for their vote on gumshoe. I still believe that most likely that scum was involved in the vote since i don't think 7/9 townies would instantly change their vote which is why the reasons for switching your votes is really important in my opinion.
Out of the 7 who voted on gumshoe I feel like the most scummy are umasi and sno_man.
For those who are wondering why thrawn isn't there is because I do not think he is as scummy as I did last time. Ever since night 1 he has been posting well in my opinion. Another reason why is because of what I found suspicious at first, that he kinda deflected off of hzflank and started the vote on gumshoe. The more I think of it it makes me lean more town on him each time.
The argument still stands if they are both scum, but it would have been a big risk to take, but still a possibility. I don't see the scenario working if thrawn was scum and hzflank was town, that he would poke his head so far out to vote on gumshoe when all that was needed was 1 more vote on hzflank. And if thrawn is town, regardless of hzflanks alignment, he thought that gumshoe was a better vote as explained in his reasoning.
Thrawn was the first gumshoe cote but not the first to suggest it as a opposite wagon to hzflank, and that person was rayn.
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Onegu I have a question. What do you think about rayn's actions during the lynch change if hzflank is town?
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On November 06 2013 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is therea case on hz because i can't find it. And if we need to "consolidate" 20 hours before the lynch and the defences to cases after that will be "you are not going to get me lynched because look, there are no votes on me" this game will be really shit.
On November 06 2013 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am going to vote for hzflank most likely but this is bullshit, at least if he flips town.
On November 06 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so why are we lynching hzflank over gumshoe?
Scumteam
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On November 07 2013 17:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
Onegu I have a question. What do you think about rayn's actions during the lynch change if hzflank is town?
Then they become null. Maybe slightly townie and I eat my hat.
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On November 07 2013 17:52 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 17:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
Onegu I have a question. What do you think about rayn's actions during the lynch change if hzflank is town? Then they become null. Maybe slightly townie and I eat my hat.
Pretend hzflank somehow flips green right now. Do you keep your vote on rayn on not?
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On November 07 2013 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 17:52 Onegu wrote:On November 07 2013 17:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
Onegu I have a question. What do you think about rayn's actions during the lynch change if hzflank is town? Then they become null. Maybe slightly townie and I eat my hat. Pretend hzflank somehow flips green right now. Do you keep your vote on rayn on not?
No my vote would then go to sn0
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Ok now pretend same thing for rayn... where would your vote go?
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I am puzzled why are you voting for me when the only reason you think i am scum is that hz is scum?
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On November 07 2013 17:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
Ok now pretend same thing for rayn... where would your vote go?
based on what? that hz is town?
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oh you were asking onegu.. carry on.
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On November 07 2013 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 17:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
Ok now pretend same thing for rayn... where would your vote go? based on what? that hz is town?
rayn stfu. i'm asking onegu what he would do with his vote if somehow you died and flipped green right now
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That wouldnt matter rayn is connected to hz but not the other way around. Hz is still scummy without rayn saveing him.
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On November 07 2013 18:07 Onegu wrote:
That wouldnt matter rayn is connected to hz but not the other way around. Hz is still scummy without rayn saveing him.
ok so why are you not voting for hz? based on the answers you've given me just now it seems like hzflank would be your safest bet, no? and the rest of your filter looks like the filter of a guy who would always be voting hzflank over rayn.
On November 07 2013 17:50 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is therea case on hz because i can't find it. And if we need to "consolidate" 20 hours before the lynch and the defences to cases after that will be "you are not going to get me lynched because look, there are no votes on me" this game will be really shit. Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am going to vote for hzflank most likely but this is bullshit, at least if he flips town. Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so why are we lynching hzflank over gumshoe? Scumteam
The only question I really want answered is why are you voting for rayn over hzflank? I'm gonna lay out a time line of your filter...
You start off by attacking one of hzflank's posts. In your next post you policy-vote him because of his "jerk" comment. I didn't like the way that argument felt, it didn't feel "real" but at the time I didn't think much about it besides asking ET what he thought about it (which btw, he pretty much brushed me off.) After this you eventually unvote hz but continue pointing out problems with his play. (at some point you ask rayn a single question but I did not find it significant)
Right before your self-vote you called out hzflank as your #1 scumread. You gave rayn a null read later in that post when you said that everyone you didnt mention is null. So far there's no indicator that you think rayn is scummy. After the lynch you keep saying hzflank is one of your big scumreads and you get into a conversation with rayn where you defend yourself for a few posts but still show no indication that you thin rayn is scummy. I read no paranoia about rayn's alignment in those posts on page 3 of your filter where you are defending against rayns questions. You do mention him here as potentially scummy:
On November 07 2013 12:24 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like this is what Onegu did in Desert final day: On September 12 2013 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck would you, as town, in MYLO, say "I think Sno is scum, i'm okay with no-lynch, i am voting for yamato"??
Why? And we did not lynch him for it. :p Anyways good night. This is such BS I played that game well, I made this one slip at the end and then worked my way out of it to not get lynched. And In hogwarts the only person with a scum read on me was the vigi and mostly because I had a red check. When people call me scum for BS meta usally flip scum (ie FirmTofu in persona) 2 people have done it so far this game sn0 and now rayn.
However, that is a very weak accusation. It's more passive aggressive shitflinging than it is a real accusation.
Then all the recent stuff happened...
this is the important part that all you tldr's shouldn't skip
On November 07 2013 12:49 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 06:54 hzflank wrote:
Tbh I'd also be down with an Onegu lynch if needs be, certainly preferable to my own lynch. Why were you down my lynch you only mentioned me marytring and never said how that was alignment indicative.
On November 07 2013 12:59 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 06:32 hzflank wrote:On November 06 2013 06:26 Umasi wrote:
idk, the last post by hzflank does not look scummy though, he asserts that he doesn't want to vote ET, and he backs off on me..
kinda like, a lack of self preservation Oh don't worry, people's votes on me make no sense, therefore I am relying on them not sticking. For example, WoS tends to think that people are town when they are reading the game in a similar fashion to him, right? Remember when I pushed you and WoS said "I was going to do that" or when I read Syl and WoS said they he read it the same way I did? WoS does not think I am scum, WoS wants me to be scum because I offended him and/or he saw my ego in full effect when he coached me. His vote can still change. As for Thrawn and ET, well they are defaulting to me because they have no one better to vote for and they did not like my case on Sn0. The thing is, if you read me carefully you will noticed that my case on Sn0 was never meant to be pushed. In that portion of the game I actually thought that Umasi and ET were scum. The case on Sn0 was an attempt to engage him which failed. The case was also an attempt to make people view him in a more negative light so that I could see what people said about him when he appeared to be a somewhat easy lynch. People don't really think that I am scum yet still want to lynch me D1. Reminds me of the White flag game that just ended  I really dont like this post either, looking at this some of the votes on you did make sense. Your vote on umasi early was forced imo. The second part I dont understand at all, ok he agrees with you on somethings, why does that make him have to have a town read on you when he disagrees with you on other things.
it looks like onegu is building up to make a case on hzflank, who has been at the top of his scumreads all game long.....
On November 07 2013 13:08 Onegu wrote:
Also look who saved HZflank. It looks kinda innocent, but its not. He doesnt change his vote right away he just kinda throws it out there. I think scum were kinda forced to do it also, so before you say it was a risky play, he doesnt unvote, he just throws a innocent looking play out there, and which is more risky letting a scum lynch go through and let town keep 3 blue roles for 2 straight nights. Or subtlely try to change the lynch target and see if anyone latches onto it?
##VOTE RAYN
then this! You vote rayn because he's probably hzflank's scumbuddy based on the hzflank>gumshoe swithc, even though you've never hinted at being at all suspicious of rayn? yes, you have that one remark about sn0 and rayn I quoted, but that is nothing compared to the posts and posts and posts you've written talking about how scummy hzflank is. So why are you voting rayn? I say it's because mr townie posts-a-lot WoS is going to be pushing rayn hard this cycle.
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fucking hell i just ruined my high writing that
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Because Im 85~% sure they are both scum and want to get rid of the dangerous one first.
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Vote Count Day 2
Sylencia (0): thrawn2112
Hopeless1der (0): thrawn2112
raynpelikoneet (2): WaveofShadow, Onegu
Onegu (2): thrawn2112, raynpelikoneet, thrawn2112
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Currently no-one is set to be lynched! Day 2 ends in hours at Friday, Nov 08 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Make sure to cast your TWO witchcraft votes to both Blazinghand and Ange777.
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On November 07 2013 18:49 Onegu wrote:
Because Im 85~% sure they are both scum and want to get rid of the dangerous one first.
and there is no way for me to verify this because you never said you thought rayn was scum until you voted for him. the only reasoning you gave in that post was that thought he was saving hzflank, which doesn't count as reasoning because it could be applied to so many other people just as senselessly. and this is after talking about hzflank all game long. it just doesn't make for a believable story.
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