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On March 17 2013 13:17 Nagisama wrote:
I guess it wasn't made exactly clear at the beginning of the season, and some of the newer teams/players might not know, so I'll say it here.
Please report ALL results in SPOILER TAGS in the thread after they are ALL completed*. Additionally, the winning team's captain needs to email the replays to drits5@yahoo.com. Format of results should include, players/races/maps/who won and final score.
If you don't want to play all 5 games because you've already won the first 3, that's fine with me. However, I include the scores of all 5 games if they are played into the standings for playoffs. That means even if you've won the first 3, you can still gain 2 more points if you win the last 2 games as well.
*If a match is not completed because 1-2 games are still under postponement, please indicate that. I can't enter anything into Liquipedia, or have people cast games, if 1. I don't know the results, and 2. We have no replays.
Also, even if you've PM'd Lmaster the results/replays, post results or something in the thread. He's busy and can't update everything, and I have no life and constantly hounding for replays/results.
If you can send replays my way, i can have a match or 2 casted on monday, 1 casted on wednesday and 1 casted on thursday.
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When the maps of the next week will be availabe?
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Abitstar/Any mSj player reading this,Please,please tell Fury to show up,because he didn't show up yesterday,nor did he show up for our PP match,which was today 14:00 CET. >.<
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W1: NW vs Ace results
+ Show Spoiler +NW 2 - 3 Airforce Ace of Spades  MoreAndMore <Fighting Spirit> L1ghtning   Maciej <Neo Jade> CityShuffle Freedom <Neo Electric Circuit> floladriblere Zbignieff2 <Circuit Breaker> sgsFabiano Ali.G <Fighting Spirirt> mG.Arb WO Arb have tried really hard to finish the last set, without any results. Ideally NW should have replaced Ali.G, since he had a hard time showing up, but I think it's too late now. It's already been a week.
Edit: I'm missing the replay of MoreAndMore vs L1ghtning. My autoreplay f-ed up after reinstalling iccup launcher, 2 weeks ago. I only realized it now.
W2: Despa vs Ace results
+ Show Spoiler +Airforce Ace of Spades 1 - 3 DeSPA CityShuffle <Gemlong> art_of_turtle CoughingHydra <Wind and Cloud> Rauk mG.arb <Neo Jade> Astrogation sgsFabiano <Circuit Breaker> Psyonic_Reaver L1ghtning <Resonance II> AtomicArchon (PP) Since it's already over, do we have to play set 5? For me, this league is about my team, so that match means nothing to me at this point. I would rather focus on the next week. If you want me to play, for completion, I'll do it. Just don't expect any inspiring play.
I'm missing the replay of mg.arb v Astrogation.
Edit: And CityShuffle vs art_of_turtle too, for the same reason as above. I obsed it, but no autoreplay was made.
Airforce Ace of Spades have also picked up a player who was looking for a team. Will he be allowed to play in week 3?
FR.HULK
TL id: LieToMe
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Canada4481 Posts
I see no reason why not.
Also, + Show Spoiler +if you don't want to play the set that's fine, I'm still debating how to score past 3 wins. Maybe I misinterpreted what Lmaster said to me when I asked him about it. He told me it would be "more fun for players if its counted for personal stats". While I took that as to mean just play all 5 matches, maybe he meant it as just play the extra matches for fun if you want to and that they won't be counted.
edit: thinking back, I think scoring wise it would make more sense to just take first 3 wins, and not count the rest. Makes for less potential arguments. I'm still quite undecided on this.
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TAKK is adding an additional player.
TL.net ID: R-Dizzle
ICCup: R-Dizzle / BaD]Juntoss
Skill: D+
Race: Zerg or Protoss (dunno exactly I ll ask him).
(he played in DRTL Season 1)
ty very much.
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Canada4481 Posts
Sorry for all the indecisiveness.
If you don't want to play the extra games, and both players agree, it won't be counted in the team standings. However, if one of the players still want to play it, I feel you should be obligated to play them and report the results.
Just know that playing the extra games will help the teams aiming for the 4th playoff spot.
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Game 5 of Sunk Khan vs. Phoenix hasn't been played yet due to some confusion on our end about the time of the PP, so we've requested a counter-PP and are awaiting resolution on that. Will not post results until we have ALL games as it says above.
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On March 18 2013 00:09 chrisolo wrote:
TAKK is adding an additional player.
TL.net ID: R-Dizzle
ICCup: R-Dizzle / BaD]Juntoss
Skill: D+
Race: Zerg or Protoss (dunno exactly I ll ask him).
(he played in DRTL Season 1)
ty very much.
He will be playin' ZvP ZvT and PvZ.
Thanks!
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On March 17 2013 15:59 art_of_turtle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 13:17 Nagisama wrote:
I guess it wasn't made exactly clear at the beginning of the season, and some of the newer teams/players might not know, so I'll say it here.
Please report ALL results in SPOILER TAGS in the thread after they are ALL completed*. Additionally, the winning team's captain needs to email the replays to drits5@yahoo.com. Format of results should include, players/races/maps/who won and final score.
If you don't want to play all 5 games because you've already won the first 3, that's fine with me. However, I include the scores of all 5 games if they are played into the standings for playoffs. That means even if you've won the first 3, you can still gain 2 more points if you win the last 2 games as well.
*If a match is not completed because 1-2 games are still under postponement, please indicate that. I can't enter anything into Liquipedia, or have people cast games, if 1. I don't know the results, and 2. We have no replays.
Also, even if you've PM'd Lmaster the results/replays, post results or something in the thread. He's busy and can't update everything, and I have no life and constantly hounding for replays/results. If you can send replays my way, i can have a match or 2 casted on monday, 1 casted on wednesday and 1 casted on thursday.
I will always distribute replays to casters once I have them. It's significantly less messy that way and ensures I can keep track of things.
Remember to have all matches organized and played by Thursday. That is the deadline UNLESS you have specifically set up a pp time well ahead of schedule because no prior day works and I am informed of this.
On March 18 2013 00:21 Nagisama wrote:
Sorry for all the indecisiveness.
If you don't want to play the extra games, and both players agree, it won't be counted in the team standings. However, if one of the players still want to play it, I feel you should be obligated to play them and report the results.
Just know that playing the extra games will help the teams aiming for the 4th playoff spot.
Yes. If both players agreed not to play for a match that doesn't count toward the overall victory/loss then that is fine. Obviously if the series is tied 2:2 then the game need to be played.
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Canada8031 Posts
So there was talk of the league being bo7, but the first two weeks have been bo5. I changed the liquipedia article to reflect this a while back. Is it safe to assume that the matches will remain bo5? I mean, I'd think so since there already seem to be a metric fuckton of issues regarding organization/scheduling/walkovers, but I just want to make sure.
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On March 18 2013 11:07 Spazer wrote:
So there was talk of the league being bo7, but the first two weeks have been bo5. I changed the liquipedia article to reflect this a while back. Is it safe to assume that the matches will remain bo5? I mean, I'd think so since there already seem to be a metric fuckton of issues regarding organization/scheduling/walkovers, but I just want to make sure.
The poll ended pretty even between Bo5 and Bo7, I don't think there is any reason to suspect that Bo7 will happen this season.
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The Bo5's right now is hard to finish all as it is... A Bo7 will just make everything harder on those that can't keep up.
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Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol.
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On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol.
Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence.
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On March 18 2013 11:28 SynC[gm] wrote:
The Bo5's right now is hard to finish all as it is... A Bo7 will just make everything harder on those that can't keep up.
Yep. It will absolutely remain Bo5.
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On March 18 2013 11:52 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol. Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence.
Rather than logic and reason, I had the impression it was just larger teams wanting to play more games, and posts like this
On March 07 2013 09:19 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 08:51 fabiano wrote:
pebble, Sun Khan has only 8 players, are you sure you guys can afford a BO7?
I remember from previous experiences that even with ~14 players in Ace we barely got people to play BO7 in DRTL2.... We have 10 and we have never failed to field a line-up.
show you (and presumably every person who voted in favor of bo7) ignoring a concrete example of concern simply because YOUR team has no problem. Good for your team but don't you think logic and reason would consider other teams? Like I said before, I actually prefer bo7 but I imagine teams would need at least 10 players each for it to be feasible. PP was the theoretical solution but it can be a lot more difficult than people like to imagine. Look how long the DRIT finals were postponed, and that's one match. Anyway, my point is I highly doubt "logic and reason" were the "guiding factors" for supporting bo7.
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On March 18 2013 11:52 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol. Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence.
Logic and reason suggested that this league would be able to support Bo7s? lol?
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On March 18 2013 11:52 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol. Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence.
There is a reason I didn't go with Bo7 :p
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On March 18 2013 12:51 KazeHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 11:52 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol. Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence. Rather than logic and reason, I had the impression it was just larger teams wanting to play more games, and posts like this Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 09:19 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2013 08:51 fabiano wrote:
pebble, Sun Khan has only 8 players, are you sure you guys can afford a BO7?
I remember from previous experiences that even with ~14 players in Ace we barely got people to play BO7 in DRTL2.... We have 10 and we have never failed to field a line-up. show you (and presumably every person who voted in favor of bo7) ignoring a concrete example of concern simply because YOUR team has no problem. Good for your team but don't you think logic and reason would consider other teams? Like I said before, I actually prefer bo7 but I imagine teams would need at least 10 players each for it to be feasible. PP was the theoretical solution but it can be a lot more difficult than people like to imagine. Look how long the DRIT finals were postponed, and that's one match. Anyway, my point is I highly doubt "logic and reason" were the "guiding factors" for supporting bo7.
One of the smallest teams housing some lesser-known players in DR on Team Liquid being able to field a full line-up despite having a losing record, every week, sounds like a logical appeal to me. If one team can do it, what prevents other teams from manning up and doing it too? Organization, motivation, etc. Of course those pitfalls are present, but in my eyes there was no need to preemptively penalize large and well-organized teams for the faults of those that lacked those qualities. Don't get me wrong, I've been a captain of a team that had fallen to these issues in the past. But, with the promising state of the league at the start, with so many players and seemingly better-organized teams, it felt like it could be a valid option. More games for more players sounds like a pretty logical step in a league.
On March 18 2013 13:56 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 11:52 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol. Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence. Logic and reason suggested that this league would be able to support Bo7s? lol?
Read above. Just because a few teams made a few mistakes and therefore haven't been able to field a full line-up while the majority of the league runs smoothly, you wanted to bring up an old topic to take a stab at people who thought it was viable and get to act like chief dick lol?
Please.
@L_Master: Never said your reason wasn't correct or justified, just pimpsmacking my bitch ^^
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