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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 08 2013 01:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm curious as to what makes a town claim scummy exactly. Its not alignment indicative. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 08 2013 01:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm curious as to what makes a town claim scummy exactly. It depends on how the town claim is put across. Read my large-ish post when I voted you for why I found it (and still find it) scummy. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On April 07 2013 09:59 AxleGreaser wrote: Would you give us more to go on if we were not about to? and why only a little if you are so sure you're about to be lynched? You're going to call me out on use of the word 'little?' So this time you definitely say want to lynch him, do you find players when you "REALLY dislike your(rayns) play" have tendency to flip scum? I am not sure now nor was I sure then whether Rayn is scum or not, only that his entire first day was dedicated to the disruption (and failure at it) of town, and the post where I told him I'd like to lynch him because of it was just another example of horrible play, baseless accusations and flip-flopping which has not helped town do anything at all. If you'll notice though I haven't actually voted for him because despite not helping himself, people have done a good job of ignoring his shite, preventing him from mucking up the thread and preventing discussion. I will return to him if need be but I can't ascertain as to his alignment at the moment---if his shit play continues I will be more than happy to lynch him after we've hammered in our first scum whether he is scum or town. He is not doing us any favours this game. I live in the wrong time zone, and went to sleep so I could be awake when scrib came back. However you have apparently not read my meta, from noir (ongoing game), I wouldn't hammer you yet I had more questions.. + Show Spoiler [LOL personal request] + (BTW if someone sees noir end, pls unless you need to, still dont talk about what happened after n1) Cant see why you would, but Id like to read it without flips later. I will ask you very explicitly.... Why did you in this post... What thought did you have, if as you now explictly claim you were not mentioning him as a lynch target? use reasonably graphic and evocative language to describe his play? Was there a purpose to this post, did his play look scummy at all to you? hence did you at that time see any reason to lynch him? If not why did you inflame the situation? and then effectively pass it to me? To me, Axle, you're diving way deep into the language I used for no particular reason because you think you're exceedingly clever and have stumbled upon some unconscious scumslip. Why did I write what I did? Simple. His play was pissing me off. Nothing more, nothing less. Why did I use the specific language I did? Because I felt like it. I had no desire to lynch Rayn until I said so; before that point I just wanted him to shut the hell up and start helping out the town, which he showed no indication of wanting to do. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On April 08 2013 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote: I'll be around now, I was around earlier today but I was out for a couple hours and apparently the 'active' times in this game are quite unlike many of the games I've been in so far. I think it's the ratio of UK/Aussie/Europe/whatever. Axle I think I remember reading some threat where you're going to vote me if I don't respond to you, I don't give a fuck about that but I'll re-read whatever it was you posted and see if I can actually decipher something you've said for once. Marv before I left last time I had asked you why exactly you and Ace seemed to think I was lying about my claim and you never answered. I think it was you as well who called my early posting 'derpy' and I'd like to know what about it you find as such. Oh and one more thing Marv, what are your thoughts on the so-called 'Kenpachi rule?' You appear to have misremembered who said what. I asked questions where I said I did. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On April 06 2013 19:44 marvellosity wrote: Alright. You don't realise this because I've kept my cards close to my chest so far this game, but I agree completely with everything you've said about the people I'm suspicious of. I agree about the big post on oats/iamp. He spent several paragraphs defending iamp when he only had one serious detractor at the time (DP) and I didn't find the push on Oats very reasonable either (maybe you can guess this from my reaction). Also agreed with the validation thing - talking about setup is fine, except he kinda didn't even really give an opinion, he was just fawning at you. The problem I have is that what you picked out from WoS about his town-claim is exactly what I picked out (and incidentally made me feel much better about YOUR alignment). I find it bizarre as shit that you're the only one to mention it in those terms actually. Just to repeat for anyone who's not me & Palmar: It felt disgusting to me, and I've not actually been able to stop thinking about it all game. It's been like the main thing in my head. Because it doesn't take very long, I went back and had a look at the opening of all WoS's games yesterday. He's always rolled town, and he's never mentioned his alignment in his opening post in any of the games he's played here so far. So in this game, he rolls town for the... 6th? time or so, and for some reason, in this game, he decides to tell us that he's town, and worse talks about feeling bad if he rolls mafia. I don't understand the mentality here at all if he's town. He's rolled town again as per usual, and for some reason this time decides to tell us that at some point he'll be shit as mafia? What? I could write more about WoS and flesh out the case if it's really necessary. Suffice to say (and basically what Palmar/Tunkeg) have said, nothing he's said or done since has alleviated the feelings I got from this first post. I think he's a better lynch than sciberbia. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow Haha wow Marv, I really expect better here from what I've heard of you. You REALLY see no town mentality behind this? How about the fact that I've played 5-6 (I forget) games now and in NONE of them I've been scum, and am therefore actually worried about the fact that when I do roll scum, I will let me team down because I'll suck? Since you're using meta to make this argument against me, maybe you should look back into my previous games and see if that fits with my meta of being unsure of myself, speaking my mind, telling the truth, etc. So many people always looking so much into what's not there. You'd think after seeing so many other people do it and fail all the time I'd learn this lesson myself when concocting mad conspiracy theories. By all means though, if you think a townclaim on a whim is enough to get me lynched, go for it. You said you don't even remember why you unvoted me in the first place, right? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
prplhz is now the wagon of Justice He is the scum right in front of us and should be killed preferably tonight since im starting to get blood hungry. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On to prplhz: is there ANY reason why this guy isn't already dead? Like, I don't get why there are votes split between scib and marv when at least they're trying to make themselves useful (marv moreso than scib I would think). Marv especially is actively contributing when one could argue scum barely needs to do a damn thing in this game thus far. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
I cant wrap my head around him dicking around and then trying to go after marv of all people seems strange for a scum to do and i think he should have known it was not likely to gain much traction considering marv has been active and therefore unlikely to be lynched. Don't see why ace would do that as scum. stuff on marv coming | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On April 08 2013 01:52 iamperfection wrote: I didnt want to pull this out so early but you guys are forcing my hand. prplhz is now the wagon of Justice He is the scum right in front of us and should be killed preferably tonight since im starting to get blood hungry. Better not mention blood or Axle will call you out for being scummy. If you're in the driver's seat of the wagon, can I ride shotgun? Ah, I miss actually posting in a mafia game. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
On April 08 2013 01:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Better not mention blood or Axle will call you out for being scummy. If you're in the driver's seat of the wagon, can I ride shotgun? Ah, I miss actually posting in a mafia game. ill be gone most of the afternoon so you can drive the freedom train while im gone ill take it back tonight though. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
Early on marv was being somwhat passive but he has picked it up greatly since. He has pured his thoughts into the thread and you can see thoughts develop and change. Now i don't put a lot of stock in scum slips but i do put stock in town slips. The following sequence i believe shows that marv is actively thinking about the game and is therefore town On April 06 2013 22:49 marvellosity wrote: Sorry Palmar, I like WoS less. I just browsed his filter in The Game and LX to try to disprove my mafia-read on him here, and I couldn't. ##Unvote ##Vote: WaveofShadow in between these two posts almost nothing is posted in the thread On April 06 2013 20:49 marvellosity wrote: Alright Palmar. We can do it your way. For now. ##Vote: sciberbia So whats going on here? It appears to me that marv went back and changed his mind to sheep palmar just by reading filters. He would have no incentive to do this as scum and when you combine this with his overall activity and contributions it points to a town marv. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
 No fear over here!As for the WoS situation, I think he is new or just doesn't understand what claiming before hammer means. When I asked WoS to claim I was asking for a roleclaim. He didn't. When he said "I already did" he was referring to his original post where he said he's Town - which means absolutely nothing. I'm just putting this down as a newbie mistake/misunderstanding for now as it's highly possible a Town player that doesn't play with good InstantMajority lnynch players could be confused as to what I was asking. Now that being said, the entire exchange where I didn't vote for WoS yet was because I was waiting for him to come back and show me where he roleclaimed (assuming he understood what I meant). Clearly he didn't, and I was sure he didn't - when he came back and couldn't prove it, or just dodged it then it would have been a pretty easy case of someone lying about a claim which is more likely to be from Scum than town. marvellosity is still the right lynch for today as his antagonistic behavior is still going on, and for some odd reason thinks I've been doing nothing all game when my posts come off well reasoned and logical. I'm going to re-read his recent posts with DP to see if it sways my judgment but from a quick skim it didn't. All the votes are once again split up - can we just have 2 or 3 main suspects and no new wagons formed? If we keep splitting the votes up it will be difficult to analyze anyone post flip if we even get there at this point. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 08 2013 02:06 iamperfection wrote: I am an expert on marv so this stuff im about to say carries a lot of weight. I have been wrong about marv once and that was an extremely long time ago in my 1st non newbie game. So i know what im talking about Early on marv was being somwhat passive but he has picked it up greatly since. He has pured his thoughts into the thread and you can see thoughts develop and change. Now i don't put a lot of stock in scum slips but i do put stock in town slips. The following sequence i believe shows that marv is actively thinking about the game and is therefore town in between these two posts almost nothing is posted in the thread So whats going on here? It appears to me that marv went back and changed his mind to sheep palmar just by reading filters. He would have no incentive to do this as scum and when you combine this with his overall activity and contributions it points to a town marv. I would do that as Scum. If you find a "better" lynch by sheeping another player in the event they get lynched blame can miss you. You can find Town players making bad posts all the time and get them lynched for it. I really think the fact that he was voting for sciberbia is a pretty bad sign as there was no solid case on him at the time. If he sheeped Palmar after "reading a few filters" then I don't think he was doing any actual reading or he just has terrible reading comprehension. If anyone can show me some good context of sciberbia's filter leading to a scum motivation I'm all for it. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 08 2013 02:12 iamperfection wrote: marv is not getting lynched ace why not? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
mainly due to the fact you wont get enough votes | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Why does Ace attacking Marv mean that Ace isnt scum? You know that Ace is gosu scum player right? Especially since you have a townread on marv. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 08 2013 02:15 iamperfection wrote: mainly due to the fact you wont get enough votes because? what's up with the defeated attitude? is the day over in 1 hour or something? come on, play with a "lets move this game forward" mentality. | ||
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