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On April 08 2013 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
vote someone now please marv.
Marv with no suspicions makes unhappy Oats.
The three people I'm currently looking at are Ace, prplhz, WoS.
I think WoS pre- all that stuff looked atrocious, and I need to work out what he did is enough to sway my opinion finally. It was enough to not make me not want to lynch him on the spot, but that's a different matter.
Ace never brings anything new to the table, basically followed someone on Oats, followed DP on me, wanted to kill Oats for being a 'distraction', said he'd voted WoS when he hadn't.
prplhz kinda seems like the key to this game. I think if I can solve prplhz then the game becomes much easier, so I'll be trying to do that today. Would help if prplhz came and engaged more too.
scib looks better pending on how we interact in the thread later
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Ok read it.
Issues with DP
DP says that he is gonna disregard meta in dealing with marv's alignment
Then he posts this post.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 23:20 DarthPunk wrote:
For the rest of the thread regarding marvellosity.
OK so usually by this stage of the game marv has made his townieness abundantly clear to me. He has usually made some cases that I have empathised with and that have appealed to me. I usually like sheeping marv. This game he has sheeped a piece of shit case on sciberbia without really contributing anything and when questioned on why directed people to the fat load of nothing in his filter.
Also he has been more arrogant than usual and quicker to call me bad/dumb even than in past games with him especially when I am doing what I consider useful things for town.
All this means I don't have the comfortable town read on marv that I usually posess.
I don't think his reasoning behind making poor/unexplained votes cuts it as an excuse. And I don't feel like that is an unreasonable position.
What I will say is I do like the way he has interacted with me during the past page and his genuine need to convince me rather than flame me into the ground is somewhat of a comfort albeit a small one.
For the moment I feel marv is scummy. But I have been convinced marv is scum before (when marv was playing badly) and he was not. I feel like he could just be playing badly again.
I am not infallible and I am not unrealistic. I don't think the correct play is to lynch a questionable marv day one. He has an 8 page filter and is potentially to valuable to mislynch (as is sciberbia IMO)
Therefore while I encourage everyone to this game continue to eye marv with blazing scepticism I don't feel it is the correct play to lynch him today.
I would additionally like some third party observations of the interplay between marv and myself so that I can potentially gain some new perspective (not from the sheep marv brigade though thnks)
Alright. Please don't hammer anyone.
##unvote
Night all!
yeah so taking out a few quotes
OK so usually by this stage of the game marv has made his townieness abundantly clear to me. He has usually made some cases that I have empathised with and that have appealed to me. I usually like sheeping marv. This game he has sheeped a piece of shit case on sciberbia without really contributing anything and when questioned on why directed people to the fat load of nothing in his filter.
DP hasnt played with marv in Marv's last few games. He doesnt take that into account here. I dont like it.
Also he is using meta here. He said he wasnt going to use it earlier. Right.
Also he has been more arrogant than usual and quicker to call me bad/dumb even than in past games with him especially when I am doing what I consider useful things for town.
Meta again, and some really subjective things here that could depend on the attitude of Marv/DP and not his alignment.
What is 'More arrogant that usual?' 'Quicker to call me bad/dumb'
Just about the most subjective things ever.
Its ok though.
GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD RIGHT HERE
For the moment I feel marv is scummy. But I have been convinced marv is scum before (when marv was playing badly) and he was not. I feel like he could just be playing badly again.
I am not infallible and I am not unrealistic. I don't think the correct play is to lynch a questionable marv day one. He has an 8 page filter and is potentially to valuable to mislynch (as is sciberbia IMO)
Yeah.
I liked that he was willing to talk it out, now I dont like the content of his 'talking it out'
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On April 08 2013 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Why is WoS scummier now, rather than yesterday? Something mustve made you vote him right? What is IT?
based on previous posting I am hoping he can be in the thread soon.
The questions are a ways back in the thread now.
I have arranged my sleep to allow me some overlap.
I do want to be sure he sees the questions and realises they are current.
This post ensures he knows I will be around.
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Marv, mind clueing me in on what you see in Scib that makes him townie?
Like you didnt tell me why palmar in Red Team.
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On April 08 2013 00:56 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Why is WoS scummier now, rather than yesterday? Something mustve made you vote him right? What is IT? based on previous posting I am hoping he can be in the thread soon. The questions are a ways back in the thread now. I have arranged my sleep to allow me some overlap. I do want to be sure he sees the questions and realises they are current. This post ensures he knows I will be around.
This doesnt answer the question.
Why did you not vote him before you went off(to sleep I imagine)
Why did you vote for him now?
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On April 08 2013 00:56 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Why is WoS scummier now, rather than yesterday? Something mustve made you vote him right? What is IT? based on previous posting I am hoping he can be in the thread soon. The questions are a ways back in the thread now. I have arranged my sleep to allow me some overlap. I do want to be sure he sees the questions and realises they are current. This post ensures he knows I will be around.
He was in the TL Mafia forum today, but for whatever reason chose not to post here.
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On April 08 2013 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Marv, mind clueing me in on what you see in Scib that makes him townie? Like you didnt tell me why palmar in Red Team.
his willingness to actively engage with people
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On April 08 2013 01:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Marv, mind clueing me in on what you see in Scib that makes him townie? Like you didnt tell me why palmar in Red Team. his willingness to actively engage with people
Did he do this in the scum game he played recently? YANM?
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On April 08 2013 00:58 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 00:56 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 08 2013 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Why is WoS scummier now, rather than yesterday? Something mustve made you vote him right? What is IT? based on previous posting I am hoping he can be in the thread soon. The questions are a ways back in the thread now. I have arranged my sleep to allow me some overlap.I do want to be sure he sees the questions and realises they are current. This post ensures he knows I will be around. This doesnt answer the question. Why did you not vote him before you went off(to sleep I imagine) Why did you vote for him now?
I have arranged my overlap quite bit... I may have nanna naps, but I am around.
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On April 08 2013 01:02 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 01:00 marvellosity wrote:On April 08 2013 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Marv, mind clueing me in on what you see in Scib that makes him townie? Like you didnt tell me why palmar in Red Team. his willingness to actively engage with people Did he do this in the scum game he played recently? YANM?
Not really, else I wouldn't be giving that out as a reason, eh? 
for what it's worth, this is what I said about him in the obsQT of that game:
marvellosity posted
sciberbia's played pretty nicely.
only two things with his play:
1) he attacked wiggles early, but didn't vote him until much later (when he had to)
2) despite his good posts, there's a certain level of disconnection, or a lack of investment and emotional involvement, with town
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2) despite his good posts, there's a certain level of disconnection, or a lack of investment and emotional involvement, with town
Yes I think prome told me this postgame.
What do you mean by disconnection? Like what characterizes it rather than connection? It seems to me somewhat subjective and nebulous
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I'll be around now, I was around earlier today but I was out for a couple hours and apparently the 'active' times in this game are quite unlike many of the games I've been in so far. I think it's the ratio of UK/Aussie/Europe/whatever.
Axle I think I remember reading some threat where you're going to vote me if I don't respond to you, I don't give a fuck about that but I'll re-read whatever it was you posted and see if I can actually decipher something you've said for once.
Marv before I left last time I had asked you why exactly you and Ace seemed to think I was lying about my claim and you never answered. I think it was you as well who called my early posting 'derpy' and I'd like to know what about it you find as such.
Oh and one more thing Marv, what are your thoughts on the so-called 'Kenpachi rule?'
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On April 08 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +2) despite his good posts, there's a certain level of disconnection, or a lack of investment and emotional involvement, with town Yes I think prome told me this postgame. What do you mean by disconnection? Like what characterizes it rather than connection? It seems to me somewhat subjective and nebulous
That's what constitutes reads. It's like I told you in Red Team that on the whole I found Palmar's posts sincere, which is why I didn't want to lynch him. But it's almost impossible to show you posts and tell you exactly why I find the posts sincere.
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On April 08 2013 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll be around now, I was around earlier today but I was out for a couple hours and apparently the 'active' times in this game are quite unlike many of the games I've been in so far. I think it's the ratio of UK/Aussie/Europe/whatever.
Axle I think I remember reading some threat where you're going to vote me if I don't respond to you, I don't give a fuck about that but I'll re-read whatever it was you posted and see if I can actually decipher something you've said for once.
Marv before I left last time I had asked you why exactly you and Ace seemed to think I was lying about my claim and you never answered. I think it was you as well who called my early posting 'derpy' and I'd like to know what about it you find as such.
Oh and one more thing Marv, what are your thoughts on the so-called 'Kenpachi rule?'
I don't quite understand what you think the question is about your "claim". What claim? What did I say you lied about, other than when i said i wanted to lynch you because I found your first post really fake?
I don't have any particular thoughts on the kenpachi rule and as it's not particularly relevant, I'll leave it at that.
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On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.
So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have. I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning. However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote? Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.
WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:
##vote: Oatsmaster WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point. Stop making shit up, Ace.
You don't seem to believe my first post is a claim.
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On April 08 2013 01:33 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.
So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have. I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning. However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote? On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.
WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:
##vote: Oatsmaster WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point. Stop making shit up, Ace. You don't seem to believe my first post is a claim.
Ah, yes for whatever reason I thought he was talking about some turn of events while you were on the chopping block, but he was talking about your original post somehow, which still confuses the fuck out of me (not your post, rather what he was getting at).
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On April 08 2013 01:33 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.
So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have. I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning. However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote? On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.
WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:
##vote: Oatsmaster WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point. Stop making shit up, Ace. You don't seem to believe my first post is a claim.
'claiming town' is hardly a claim.
Marv: right, so its a gut thing.
hmm.
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On April 08 2013 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 01:33 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.
So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have. I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning. However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote? On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.
WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:
##vote: Oatsmaster WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point. Stop making shit up, Ace. You don't seem to believe my first post is a claim. 'claiming town' is hardly a claim. Marv: right, so its a gut thing. hmm.
Why not?
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Where are you going with this, WoS?
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On April 08 2013 01:36 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 08 2013 01:33 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.
So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have. I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning. However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote? On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.
WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:
##vote: Oatsmaster WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point. Stop making shit up, Ace. You don't seem to believe my first post is a claim. 'claiming town' is hardly a claim. Marv: right, so its a gut thing. hmm. Why not?
What I got from the Ace thing, was that he was asking you to claim your role rather than alignment when you got to L-1.
Thats what I think when someone asks me to claim.
So it confused me earlier.
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