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DarthPunk
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
1. DP is reasonable town in his suspicions of me 2. DP is unreasonable town in his suspicions of me 3. DP is mafia Where this last page has got me is this far. 2. DP is unreasonable town in his suspicions of me 3. DP is mafia I'd quite like to hear what iamp makes of it, he's usually pretty good at picking out these things. | ||
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DarthPunk
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On April 07 2013 22:58 marvellosity wrote: Alright. I'll tell you where I am. Before this conversation there were 3 options. 1. DP is reasonable town in his suspicions of me 2. DP is unreasonable town in his suspicions of me 3. DP is mafia Where this last page has got me is this far. 2. DP is unreasonable town in his suspicions of me 3. DP is mafia I'd quite like to hear what iamp makes of it, he's usually pretty good at picking out these things. I'm unreasonable because I don't agree with you? Righto buddy. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
1) you're voting for me on what is usually (in fact always, before this game) a towntell for me 2) you're voting for me for not explaining my sciberbia read, when I previously had 3) you're still voting for me despite me explaining very clearly and rationally how I went about the scib read, why I went about the scib read, and despite me trying to basically unsuccessfully engage you on my play, which you should know really quite well These aren't reasonable actions, hence I scratched out 1. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
OK so usually by this stage of the game marv has made his townieness abundantly clear to me. He has usually made some cases that I have empathised with and that have appealed to me. I usually like sheeping marv. This game he has sheeped a piece of shit case on sciberbia without really contributing anything and when questioned on why directed people to the fat load of nothing in his filter. Also he has been more arrogant than usual and quicker to call me bad/dumb even than in past games with him especially when I am doing what I consider useful things for town. All this means I don't have the comfortable town read on marv that I usually posess. I don't think his reasoning behind making poor/unexplained votes cuts it as an excuse. And I don't feel like that is an unreasonable position. What I will say is I do like the way he has interacted with me during the past page and his genuine need to convince me rather than flame me into the ground is somewhat of a comfort albeit a small one. For the moment I feel marv is scummy. But I have been convinced marv is scum before (when marv was playing badly) and he was not. I feel like he could just be playing badly again. I am not infallible and I am not unrealistic. I don't think the correct play is to lynch a questionable marv day one. He has an 8 page filter and is potentially to valuable to mislynch (as is sciberbia IMO) Therefore while I encourage everyone to this game continue to eye marv with blazing scepticism I don't feel it is the correct play to lynch him today. I would additionally like some third party observations of the interplay between marv and myself so that I can potentially gain some new perspective (not from the sheep marv brigade though thnks) Alright. Please don't hammer anyone. ##unvote Night all! | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On April 07 2013 23:08 marvellosity wrote: To expand slightly, you could think I was mafia and still be reasonable about it. It's unreasonable because 1) you're voting for me on what is usually (in fact always, before this game) a towntell for me 2) you're voting for me for not explaining my sciberbia read, when I previously had 3) you're still voting for me despite me explaining very clearly and rationally how I went about the scib read, why I went about the scib read, and despite me trying to basically unsuccessfully engage you on my play, which you should know really quite well These aren't reasonable actions, hence I scratched out 1. 1.) I would need to take your word on point one. It is not something I have noticed, in fact I genuinely believe the opposite. I have vivid memories of you explaining things to people rather than telling them to fuck off and read something buried in your filter. 2.) The rationale has little value to me as it is a post-hoc rationalisation of behavior. This would have been wonderful accompanying a sciberbia vote. but it is the result of votes and pressure and questions and could have been thought up over the twelve hours or more since your vote. Yes, you are saying this is what happened and that is your rationale. But this is not spontaneous and it is post-hoc and this to me greatly diminishes its value as a tool by which to read you. 3.) I am not accepting a meta argument to explain away scummy things. Perhaps you view this as unreasonable. There I disagree. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On April 07 2013 23:23 marvellosity wrote: I still don't get why, if you think the sciberbia case was a "piece of shit", you're fine with Palmar making it at all. But whatever. See you tomorrow I guess. I am not fine with palmar. He has made two questionable votes so far. Which, if you are town I encourage you to apply yourself to understanding. But the fact is that I really don't have the energy to argue with you, Iamp, oats and palmar all at the same time. And the sheep are always worse IMO. I'd rather someone make an original yet shitty case, than sheep one. | ||
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marvellosity
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DarthPunk
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
sciberbia (2): raynpelikoneet, Oatsmaster WaveofShadow (2): Tunkeg, prplhz prplhz (2): iamperfection, WaveofShadow marvellosity (1): Ace Not voting (5): sciberbia, marvellosity, Palmar, AxleGreaser, DarthPunk 7 votes needed to lynch. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Marv with no suspicions makes unhappy Oats. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On April 08 2013 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote: vote someone now please marv. Marv with no suspicions makes unhappy Oats. that's so stupid oats is probably town. let's just lynch Ace for the hell of it ##Vote Ace | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
Wave I have asked you questions here, about what happened when you got to L-1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18221663 Please have look at them. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote: Ace (totally trying to get ANYONE lynched DP. and totally sheeping. DEAL WITH IT) Reasoning coming up shortly, STAY TUNED FOLKS. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 08 2013 00:32 AxleGreaser wrote: ##Vote WaveOfShadow Wave I have asked you questions here, about what happened when you got to L-1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18221663 Please have look at them. Why is WoS scummier now, rather than yesterday? Something mustve made you vote him right? What is IT? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 08 2013 00:43 Palmar wrote: Oats what do you make of DPs and Marv's argument. One scum? No scum? marv totes town. DP im not sure, I like this engagement with marv(totally sheeping marv, not.), but I dont like the rest of his play. Although I could imagine a scum player doing this thing with marv. (WISHYWASHY) Let me read it again and get back to you. | ||
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