EPTCan people PLEASE stop talking about sandroba's plan its completely irrelevant now. Tackster is a much better lynch than him.
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DropBear
Australia4404 Posts
Can people PLEASE stop talking about sandroba's plan its completely irrelevant now. Tackster is a much better lynch than him. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
I should probably just vote now--I was planning on voting later but nothing is happening. ##Vote: tnkted | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I think he made seven posts all targetting Tackster. I mean a scum read is a scum read, but this guy just seems like he's fighting for his life and I don't really have that scum read on Tackster. And I know that he restrained his argumentation to one of these posts, but I think that that's due to the amount of content Tackster presented so far. @sandroba I already put my reasons for voting on your in the post where I threw my vote. If you are dissatisfied I suggest you refine your questions regarding my reasonable. I just don't know how I did not already answer your question as you're asking it right now. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
@redFF Mataza plays really weird, look at SNMM2. I wouldn't FoS him yet. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186¤tpage=39#773 A hugeass post, which was the only post I found significant by him, that was filled with nothing. All it is was a summary of the thread with his opinions mixed in. In the first line of it he even states he only posted that because meapak pressured him to contribute more. I'm pretty sure a few of us skipped that post because it was tl;dr. It sure was a good way to make it look as if he's "contributing". If anyone has a bandwagon, it's Sandroba. Right now what he looks like to me is a desperate townie under pressure because he put out a poor plan, in which the mistakes were made obvious but people continue to use this as an excuse to call him scum. People calling him out as scum solely because of this need to be watched. redFF, while he is not a guaranteed townie, I think he is worth keeping around longer than day 1. As I said before, I highly doubt he's lying about his role, and I haven't gotten any clear scum reads from him. Right now he's helping, even though his posts don't contain much content. Mataza, I can't decide if he's a townie or scum, but he's leaning more towards red for me. He got on to red, I think, about contributing, but what has he done? So far all he's been doing is trying to make some sort of conspiracy theory and find cracks and reasons to call redFF a liar and get him lynched. Kita, I haven't looked up much on. I plan on going back again and reading his posts after I finish this. I think I will be sticking to Tackster for now, but Palmer, you're really determined that Varp is scum. You also seem determined that he's going to die?... I need to go read back on Varp >_> And I must say, I look forward to finding out what your fistbumping does. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:43 prplhz wrote: I think I'm gonna vote for sandroba. He came up with a crazy plan that got shot down like a lot of plans do. Then he claimed "LAL" and left and now he's back and defending his plan again. I am voting for him solely because I think that this is odd behavior and I don't think that I would ever act like that. Other than that I think he is spammy. (though not as terrible as Kurumi who I think is actively trying to disrupt constructive townie discussion, but I don't think that he is scum so I'm not voting for him). ##Vote sandroba So that's the only reasoning I found for your vote on me. I must say your reasoning is great. "He's behaving odd imo and is spammy." How does that equal scum? Am I missing something here? | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:48 sandroba wrote: So that's the only reasoning I found for your vote on me. I must say your reasoning is great. "He's behaving odd imo and is spammy." How does that equal scum? Am I missing something here? Sounds like the same reason you want to kill torti. And btw I never tunneled you in XXXIX. I tunneled cthalphabetsoup. I responded to one post you made. And then I died. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
I did so and I am far less sure that he is scum. There actually is a fair bit of personal opinion there, he just didn't say so directly. After re-reading Tackster's post, I went back and looked at tnkted's. I am quite uncertain of him. He has posts that could be called both pro-town and anti-town, and I can't decide which are more prevalent. I would really appreciate if a few others could do this (and again think "if he is __ alignment why would he post this?) and tell me your thoughts on him. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:55 Jackal58 wrote: Sounds like the same reason you want to kill torti. And btw I never tunneled you in XXXIX. I tunneled cthalphabetsoup. I responded to one post you made. And then I died. Oh hey, I was town after all  | ||
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Eternalmisfit
United States643 Posts
I have not seen any obvious scum slip-ups which paint someone clearly as mafia. However, there are some suspect activities which do show potential scum tells. Here are the suspect activities and my take on them. 1. Sandroba's plan - I won't go in the debate on whether the plan is good or bad because it is a horse that has been beaten to death. I believe the plan is bad and scummy in nature. I also believe that it is bad enough in nature that any scum won't deliberately propose it to paint himself as scum (esp a decent player as Sandroba). So, the argument against him is mostly WIFOM. The rest of his play (rather aggressive in nature) is similar to his town play in XXXIX and SNMM so I don't suspect him on any meta as well. Given this, I would be hesitant to vote on him just on the basis of it. However, he seems a good candidate for the zodiac list and I believe the town should keep pressure on him to contribute. 2. Palmar - I don't know why most of the town is giving him a free pass. His posting comes suspect to me and it is highlighted by two things: weak accusation of Varpulis, and fist-pumping. Despite what his role entails and its need for fist-pumping, I believe he should be contributing more in terms of analysis. Also, once evident that his case against Varpulis isn't gaining any support, he has slipped into the shadows. His analysis of Varpulis based on SNMM is pointless as that game was rather different both in terms of setup and quality of players involved (all newbies). If he really wanted to compare, XXXIX was a better place in terms of vet+new player mix and size of the game. Also, bad plan =/= scum necessarily. The bigger suspect behavior were gems like this: On June 01 2011 00:40 Palmar wrote: No reason to scumhunt bro, just help me drag that Varpulis guy to the gallows. There is no reason not to scum hunt. At best, I would give 55-45 odds to your case against Varpulis which means the town needs to scum hunt. Even if we were 100% sure that Varpulis is scum, we still need to hunt scum since there are more than one scum. On June 01 2011 08:50 Palmar wrote: it's ok, can anyone just shoot mataza tonight so we don't have to deal with the insanity? Sudden vigi-shot call on Mataza. I can't find any insanity per se and you do not provide any reasons as to why we should do this. There are more red flags raised by his posting but those are in regards to his role-playing and fist-pumping. I would like to see how the night plays out before commenting on it. 3. prphlz's defense of Tackster - It sounds so ridiculously stupid that someone is not scum because they posted Kisses at the end of the post. For all we know, it might be something related to his role in this crazy setup. I have never played with him or followed a game where he played so I do not know whether his play is usually better than this. 4, Sinani's sudden appearance when he was called out in the thread. It might be a coincidence but given his similar play as scum I would keep this is mind. He has made a couple of posts since then which seem acceptable in quality but nothing spectacular. Based on my read through of the thread, my #1 lynch candidate would have been Palmar. However, somehow 8 people in town thought it was a good idea to fist-pound him w/o wondering about potential consequences. So, I am hesitant to make him a lynch candidate as the potential risk to reward ratio is too high. The rest three suspicions do not merit a lynch vote by themselves. I need to double check on tackster, tnkted and Rean since those three seem to a point of discussion at this point of time. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hi I'm on my phone and will be for a while, can someone tell me why people want either sandroba or tnkted dead? The person I picked out a while back (Tackster) is looking scummy as ever yet a lot of people have glossed over it. I'm liking node's posting btw, he's said a lot of good things and I think people should take note. Also BC and Bum, where are you guys? This thread is absolutely out of control and you two should be trying to calm things down. Just got back from work, catching up in detail now rather than post skimming and I gotta say. Why the hell are we still talking about sand? If hes mafia he will give himself up in the next day or so and with the rampant amount of people jumping on the "lets kill sand wagon" with very little defense of him I gotta say, seems like we are being let to bus a tard. I will now get a better idea of what was said but bleh. Also, GM your survey is horribly scummy, no one continue responding to it. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
Why have you voted for Sandroba, and why did you not also post it in this thread? Karshe, you're lurking again. Still "catching up"? | ||
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Eternalmisfit
United States643 Posts
I can agree with people saying that there is some fluff in the post esp. the part regarding Palmar and tnkted role's. However, I do find some relevant contributions as well in the post. His idea about redFF-Amber isn't too bad as it keeps the dog-speak clutter off the thread. I am not sure whether redFF's subsequent PM with Amber regarding the zodiac list was a consequence of this idea or independent of it, but it seems quite a good use of redFF's ability. I also agree with his comment of duplicating the vote on the main thread as well. It is good for current vote analysis as well as future reading where in-thread votes allow someone analyze voting patterns without going through the hassle of ascertaining time-stamps of the vote. The idea of outing mafia-centric roles might also be a reasonable one though it is a debate best left for Day 2. It does remind me of controlling power roles in PYP-Insane. Tackster's post by itself doesn't scream scum to me. It is a mediocre post but it does contribute something to the discussion. I think the only reason it is gathering attention is that he posted it all in one go while others have made posts similar in nature just split up and spread apart throughout the thread. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
1) Which do you consider to be more scummy; Active Lurking or Thread Derailment? 2) During the night, who do you think is going to be a top-priority target for Mafia? 3) Given the opportunity to Bro-fist Palmar, would you do it? 4) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think has the most town cred based on this thread alone? 5) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think controls the opinions of others the most? 6) Between Palmar's frattiness and red's Masonry, who's role do you find the most interesting based on information you have now? 7) Assuming you had the entire town's ear and you know everyone would believe you, what do you want to say FIRST? If anyone doesn't feel comfortable answering my inane questions, feel free to ignore them. Everyone else, take note of who doesn't want to answer my inane questions. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On June 01 2011 12:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I've got a survey. 1) Which do you consider to be more scummy; Active Lurking or Thread Derailment? 2) During the night, who do you think is going to be a top-priority target for Mafia? 3) Given the opportunity to Bro-fist Palmar, would you do it? 4) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think has the most town cred based on this thread alone? 5) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think controls the opinions of others the most? 6) Between Palmar's frattiness and red's Masonry, who's role do you find the most interesting based on information you have now? 7) Assuming you had the entire town's ear and you know everyone would believe you, what do you want to say FIRST? If anyone doesn't feel comfortable answering my inane questions, feel free to ignore them. Everyone else, take note of who doesn't want to answer my inane questions. There's no point answering that survey. I really don't see how that helps us in finding scum. At most, that's going to distract people from scumhunting. | ||
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