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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
September 05 2012 02:32 GMT
#8261
On September 05 2012 11:30 ey215 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 11:28 xDaunt wrote:
Not a bad speech for the kid. He needs some polish, but very impressive.


The part where he got the crowd finishing his lines and then corrected them was a nice piece of speech craft.

Liberals tend to be more effusive I'd say, the crowd seemed to love getting involved in the speech. I expect big things from Julian Castro, given that he can shake the issues of being a Democrat in Texas.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
September 05 2012 02:33 GMT
#8262
On September 05 2012 11:30 CajunMan wrote:
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On September 05 2012 11:22 Leporello wrote:
On September 05 2012 10:49 CajunMan wrote:
a woman who screams sexual harassment to get anywhere in the military


If this is referring to Tammy Duckworth, go **** yourself, but really, go **** yourself no matter who it's referring to. I love how some people on the right-wing will just shit all over someone who has served and sacrificed for their country if their political views don't jive with theirs.

Seriously, who are you referring to? Because Tammy Duckworth is the only military woman I remember speaking tonight, and she has never claimed sexual harassment towards herself, ever.

Rather than give out baseless and nameless insults, try illuminating us with your brilliant insight.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_Kennedy


Seriously, that's just f***ing ignorant.

Tammy Duckworth and Claudia Kennedy are deserving of their medals, and if you think women who are harassed in the military should be quiet about it, then seriously, you're an idiot of the highest degree.

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CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
September 05 2012 02:33 GMT
#8263
On September 05 2012 11:31 dvorakftw wrote:
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On September 05 2012 11:01 CajunMan wrote:
Also funny aside you cannot enter or get close to the DNC without an ID or buy many of the Obama products from the campaign without proof of citizenship because it is a campaign contribution. MOOOOOMMMMMM THE IRONY IT HURTS I CAN'T TAKE IT ANY LONGER MY SIDES OOOO OWWWW

Are you sure on that last part? Last I heard they still had the address verification disabled like they did 4 years ago so anywhere from any country could give as much money as they wanted . Hillary's campaign got busted from a few people making false max contributions through multiple people but the no check credit card system bypassed it.


I'll try and find more on it I heard it on my way to work this morning that they still were doing it.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 05 2012 02:33 GMT
#8264
Alright, what is this business about Michelle being a big supporter a military families? She's the food nazi and exercise nazi.
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
September 05 2012 02:34 GMT
#8265
On September 05 2012 11:26 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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On September 05 2012 11:22 xDaunt wrote:
On September 05 2012 11:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Purely out of curiosity...

What's the percentage of "entrenched" voters in the US? By that, I mean what percentage would vote Democrat or Republican regardless of who was actually running for their respective party?

85-90%

Wow, that seems on the extreme end of things.

Of course, I'm not sure what the numbers are in Canada...could be very similar.

In the current political climate that is probably accurate. I can't see either party getting less than 45% of the nationwide popular vote for president under any realistic circumstances.
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
September 05 2012 02:35 GMT
#8266
On September 05 2012 11:26 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 11:22 xDaunt wrote:
On September 05 2012 11:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Purely out of curiosity...

What's the percentage of "entrenched" voters in the US? By that, I mean what percentage would vote Democrat or Republican regardless of who was actually running for their respective party?

85-90%

Wow, that seems on the extreme end of things.

Of course, I'm not sure what the numbers are in Canada...could be very similar.


That breaks down as 45% voting dem, and 45% repub. But yes I agree that's a little high. But it's rarely lower then a 40/40 split. So it's safe to say "swing voters" make up anywhere from 10-20%.
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 02:39:43
September 05 2012 02:39 GMT
#8267
On September 05 2012 11:35 woody60707 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 11:26 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On September 05 2012 11:22 xDaunt wrote:
On September 05 2012 11:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Purely out of curiosity...

What's the percentage of "entrenched" voters in the US? By that, I mean what percentage would vote Democrat or Republican regardless of who was actually running for their respective party?

85-90%

Wow, that seems on the extreme end of things.

Of course, I'm not sure what the numbers are in Canada...could be very similar.


That breaks down as 45% voting dem, and 45% repub. But yes I agree that's a little high. But it's rarely lower then a 40/40 split. So it's safe to say "swing voters" make up anywhere from 10-20%.


He asked about the party line though didn't he? We do tend to split tickets to a little higher degree on the down ticket races.

There's been a lot of commentary on how few undecided "likely" voters there are this year. Assuming no major outside event, the first debate will likely decide this thing.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 05 2012 02:39 GMT
#8268
Goddamn it, I'm ten minutes behind now.
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
September 05 2012 02:40 GMT
#8269
Pretty powerfully emotional opening day... I have to wonder if you Repubs feel the same way and get all teary-eyed about those speeches about tax cuts and condemnation of safety net programs. :D
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CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
September 05 2012 02:40 GMT
#8270
On September 05 2012 11:31 dvorakftw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 11:01 CajunMan wrote:
Also funny aside you cannot enter or get close to the DNC without an ID or buy many of the Obama products from the campaign without proof of citizenship because it is a campaign contribution. MOOOOOMMMMMM THE IRONY IT HURTS I CAN'T TAKE IT ANY LONGER MY SIDES OOOO OWWWW

Are you sure on that last part? Last I heard they still had the address verification disabled like they did 4 years ago so anywhere from any country could give as much money as they wanted . Hillary's campaign got busted from a few people making false max contributions through multiple people but the no check credit card system bypassed it.



https://store.barackobama.com/checkout/onepage/

I don't know what further steps you must take but on the bottom of the checkout you have to agree you are a citizen and all that good stuff here is a quote of it.

Legal Compliance
You have confirmed that the following statements are true and accurate:
I am a United States citizen or a lawfully admitted permanent resident of the United States.
This contribution is not made from the general treasury funds of a corporation, labor organization or national bank.
This contribution is not made from the treasury of an entity or person who is a federal contractor.
This contribution is not made from the funds of a political action committee.
This contribution is not made from the funds of an individual registered as a federal lobbyist or a foreign agent, or an entity that is a federally registered lobbying firm or foreign agent.
I am not a minor under the age of 16.
The funds I am donating are not being provided to me by another person or entity for the purpose of making this contribution.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 05 2012 02:41 GMT
#8271
Looks like Michelle is having a hair malfunction.
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
September 05 2012 02:42 GMT
#8272
The latest CNN poll has it at 48/48 with 2% saying neither and only 1% undecided.

Source
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 02:44:07
September 05 2012 02:43 GMT
#8273
On September 05 2012 11:35 woody60707 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 11:26 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On September 05 2012 11:22 xDaunt wrote:
On September 05 2012 11:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Purely out of curiosity...

What's the percentage of "entrenched" voters in the US? By that, I mean what percentage would vote Democrat or Republican regardless of who was actually running for their respective party?

85-90%

Wow, that seems on the extreme end of things.

Of course, I'm not sure what the numbers are in Canada...could be very similar.


That breaks down as 45% voting dem, and 45% repub. But yes I agree that's a little high. But it's rarely lower then a 40/40 split. So it's safe to say "swing voters" make up anywhere from 10-20%.

Keep in mind that people who describe themselves as Independent but leaning R or leaning D, in practice, vote almost exactly the same way that people who describe themselves as Republican or Democratic do.

This says 45-45 when counting leaners, and the total number of partisans and partisan leaners has remained between 89-93% by their surveys.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/151943/record-high-americans-identify-independents.aspx
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
September 05 2012 02:43 GMT
#8274
On September 05 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like Michelle is having a hair malfunction.


Cannot... unsee.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 05 2012 02:45 GMT
#8275
Yes, please tell us about how much Barack valued his family when you met him. I want to hear more about his half brother who is rotting over in Kenya and asked the 2016 filmmaker to lend him money for medical help and would not even bother to ask Barack.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
September 05 2012 02:46 GMT
#8276
i heard ron paul is running on a third party? how does that affect the chances of romney and obama?
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
September 05 2012 02:48 GMT
#8277
I really detest all these bootstrapping stories of American exceptionalism. "That's what it means to be a man". Fuck you Michelle... try having a debilitating sleep disorder, something you have no control over and see if you can still roll up your sleeves and "be a man". REALLY pissed me the fuck off.
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TotalBalanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada475 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 02:51:26
September 05 2012 02:49 GMT
#8278
On September 05 2012 11:46 Doraemon wrote:
i heard ron paul is running on a third party? how does that affect the chances of romney and obama?

It affects nothing, America is a two party system. You have to be a Democrat or Republican to be elected.

Edit: you do not really HAVE to be a Rep. or Dem. but you have a pretty much -100% chance of getting elected if your not running for one of the big two.
natrus
Profile Joined March 2011
United States102 Posts
September 05 2012 02:50 GMT
#8279
On September 05 2012 11:48 screamingpalm wrote:
I really detest all these bootstrapping stories of American exceptionalism. "That's what it means to be a man". Fuck you Michelle... try having a debilitating sleep disorder, something you have no control over and see if you can still roll up your sleeves and "be a man". REALLY pissed me the fuck off.


Sure its not something else bothering you? Got a little hate in ya?
SC2 greatest RTS ever.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
September 05 2012 02:51 GMT
#8280
On September 05 2012 11:49 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 11:46 Doraemon wrote:
i heard ron paul is running on a third party? how does that affect the chances of romney and obama?

It affects nothing, America is a two party system. You have to be a Democrat or Republican to be elected.

Edit: you do not really HAVE to be a Rep. or Dem. but you have a pretty much -100% chance of getting elected if your not running for one of the big two.


yes. but my question is this affects of the other two candidates. who's votes will Paul take?
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
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