EPTIt doesn't say redFF the ??? has been found dead.
I think it might be delayed flip. Possibly caused by an abillity.
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
It doesn't say redFF the ??? has been found dead. I think it might be delayed flip. Possibly caused by an abillity. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
This just got a hell of a lot more interesting. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On February 23 2012 07:10 Jackal58 wrote: Well that was underwhelming. QFT Jackal, top 2 scum-reads quick. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
wtf | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On February 23 2012 07:13 wherebugsgo wrote: I wonder if he knew that would happen and that's why he said nothing? wtf Why would he say nothing regardless of his alignment? IF he were town the town thing to do would be to let us know, and if he were scum he would have put emphasis on his flip. He was just AFK dude, and I'm not at all surprised. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On February 23 2012 07:07 kitaman27 wrote: I better not have been tricked into playing a no flip game :p I can't stop laughing, having read this | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I mean, I understand how it was meant, but I just wonder why he phrased it this way... Ugh. I'm gonna get back to work then. This is making my brain hurt. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 22 2012 21:17 syllogism wrote: Is this the amount of effort you intend to put into this game as well or did you actually roll scuml? Just going to sheep bad wagons and not evaluate all the evidence? Have you read my thoughts on redff? Don't you find it weird that there is almost no resistance at all to the wagon? Your point about him claiming early isn't very good as redff gave a reasonable explanation for the claim and if he was scum, he could have fake claimed a better role anyway. It was likely that he was going to be forced to claim anyway at some point and claiming a bit earlier gives us time to discuss what we think about it. As his relatively early claim makes sense from point scum and town perspective and it's not really possible to determine which is more likely, it's a null tell. He can still be useful by being alive, tying roleblocker or even by taking a bullet. A tracker is not a DT in terms of usefulness. I may be wrong about redff and that's always the possibility in mafia, but the evidence suggests otherwise and as such you should be voting for someone else, preferably BC. syllo I agree with most of what you are saying about Tyrran, but I think the bolded should be considered more carefully now. Looking at the voting record, at the time you posted this BC only had about 3 votes. However, after that there was considerable resistance to the redFF wagon from what I can tell. BC got incredibly close to being lynched (which honestly in itself is retarded). So what's weird to find about this? Well, it for sure means one thing, and that's town was unsure of who to lynch. This leaves only two possibilities to me: both of redFF and BC are town, or one of them is scum. IMO I actually like the idea that one of them is scum, because in light of that it makes the BC wagon make more sense. You started it, and people started sheeping it for dumb reasons (ex. prplhz, Dr. H) While I didn't agree with the rationale for calling BC scum, I didn't have a problem with there being an alternative. The problem was that people like prplhz and Dr. H sheeped it so quickly. This is indicative, in my opinion, of your wagon being used as a counter to redFF's. This is most likely if redFF was actually scum and BC town. I think it probably started out a bit slowly because BC is a relatively harder target to lynch than redFF. However I bet if redFF actually was scum then we are likely to find scum on BC's wagon. I also disagree with you with regards to what he claimed, since we have no idea what the setup looks like. What better role could he have claimed? Claiming DT is practically the same (albeit a claim of a stronger role) and I can't think of anything else that for scum or town is completely neutral. Also, I wanted to point this out: On February 23 2012 02:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: "The wagon formed too fast" is not really an adequate rebuttal to the entire case that redFF is scum. I doubt he will come to defend himself, hasn't he ragequit the game because WBG called him bad? I'd expect there is resistance, but if scum plays that badly town can overwhelm the mafia resistance and in this case if I'm scum I'd be looking for an alternative lynch to push. What's weird about Dr. H is that he's always straddling the line between calling redFF scum and not calling him scum. Right here his vote is still on BC but he actually says "If I were scum i'd be looking for an alternative lynch to push." Guess what BC's wagon was? The alternative lynch. Most troubling is the fact that Dr. H's actions don't quite line up with his words. He's also quite wishy washy, never really taking a proper stance for or against one lynch or the other. Indeed at the end he switched back to redFF. He admits here that saying the bandwagon is moving too fast is not an adequate rebuttal to the case that redFF is scum. So if his vote was on BC why didn't he adequately rebut the case himself? So far all I'm seeing from our resident doc is sheeping and lack of backbone. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
why is no one here when I'm here  damn the deadline being right before class ends | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I still wub you though. <3 | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I don't think my posts are wishy washy. I wasn't yelling in the thread for one person to get lynched over any other, but that can't really be defined as wishy washiness. I wasn't planning on rebutting the case on redFF because I never ever thought it needed to be rebutted. I voted for redFF in the end. I moved my vote to BC to put pressure on him and make sure he stays active in the thread, his responses satisfied me enough that I wanted to stick with my original convictions and give BC Day 2 to prove himself. Needless to say I'll be keeping a close eye on him. Calling BC the alternative lynch is a non-point since his flip, or lack thereof, was inconclusive. You don't know whether or not he is scum, unless you are scum, so implying that it is a defensive alternative makes no sense as town especially considering redFF is the person I voted for. I never called RedFF not scum. I never called him 100% scum. I said very clearly RedFF is likely scum or terrible town but his claim is poorly done and seems defensive. I was more than okay with the RedFF lynch, which seemed so likely to go through at the time I switched to BC to pressure another player I was suspicious of. Seeing as RedFF has been AWOL during this entire period, I feel I made the right choice. If I didn't think RedFF was very suspect, I would have been far more vocal in trying to get people to join a BC bandwagon but you will notice I did no such thing as far as I can recall anyway. That's as much as I'll say in the interest of defending myself. This redFF "flip", or whatever it is, is inconclusive and I don't feel it necessary to comment on it further. I'll read filters when I have the time. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 23 2012 09:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I didn't sheep anybody. I made my case on BC well before I even read syllogisms original post. You're connecting points I'm making in specific reference to other peoples posts to unrelated ideas. I was trying to illustrate that the wagon forming quickly doesn't mean much. The scum don't need to defend redFF if they can get somebody else lynched. I don't think my posts are wishy washy. I wasn't yelling in the thread for one person to get lynched over any other, but that can't really be defined as wishy washiness. I wasn't planning on rebutting the case on redFF because I never ever thought it needed to be rebutted. I voted for redFF in the end. I moved my vote to BC to put pressure on him and make sure he stays active in the thread, his responses satisfied me enough that I wanted to stick with my original convictions and give BC Day 2 to prove himself. Needless to say I'll be keeping a close eye on him. Calling BC the alternative lynch is a non-point since his flip, or lack thereof, was inconclusive. You don't know whether or not he is scum, unless you are scum, so implying that it is a defensive alternative makes no sense as town especially considering redFF is the person I voted for. I never called RedFF not scum. I never called him 100% scum. I said very clearly RedFF is likely scum or terrible town but his claim is poorly done and seems defensive. I was more than okay with the RedFF lynch, which seemed so likely to go through at the time I switched to BC to pressure another player I was suspicious of. Seeing as RedFF has been AWOL during this entire period, I feel I made the right choice. If I didn't think RedFF was very suspect, I would have been far more vocal in trying to get people to join a BC bandwagon but you will notice I did no such thing as far as I can recall anyway. That's as much as I'll say in the interest of defending myself. This redFF "flip", or whatever it is, is inconclusive and I don't feel it necessary to comment on it further. I'll read filters when I have the time. of course BC was the alternative lynch, you don't need flips to realize that there were pretty much only two realistic possibilities for lynch yesterday. The fact that you seemed relatively aloof the entire time concerns me. Why does it seem that you cared so little about who we ultimately lynched? | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
I'd like to echo youre sentiments in what you just said. I was on the point between oting for red and BC. My rationale, although possibly misguided, made sense. BC was being pushed hard for what I see as s subpar case. His meta is off this game? The fuck? You want to lynch someone for that over the that was caused in the beginning of the game, be my guest. That was part of th reason I voted for red, because, from my point of view, shit he was saying was a detriment to the town. It's possible he was a blue; but as stated before, Its also possible he would have similar powers in a red alignment as well. I think the fact that town was so disorganized at end leads me to believe that mafia was doing a decent job of blowing smoke p towns ass and running smokescreens. I personally think that mafia was trying to push for the BC lynch, causing a misslynch on someone that is an arguably very strong town player. That, along with some of what BC was saying near the deadline made me switch to red. I'm going back tonight and tomorrow to look at some of the people pushing strong for a BC lynch, and looking through that shit again. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 23 2012 09:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I never called RedFF not scum. I never called him 100% scum. I said very clearly RedFF is likely scum or terrible town but his claim is poorly done and seems defensive. I was more than okay with the RedFF lynch, which seemed so likely to go through at the time I switched to BC to pressure another player I was suspicious of. Seeing as RedFF has been AWOL during this entire period, I feel I made the right choice. If I didn't think RedFF was very suspect, I would have been far more vocal in trying to get people to join a BC bandwagon but you will notice I did no such thing as far as I can recall anyway. That's as much as I'll say in the interest of defending myself. this right here is so politician-like it's scary. You scum doc? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
BC was the second lynch but when you use the word 'alternative' are you trying to imply that I was defending red by voting for BC? That I was doing the exact scum plan that I explained in my post? Why does it even matter if BC was the second bandwagon, that implies nothing about my alignment and has absolutely nothing to do with the original point I was making which was only about why scum would not need to act majorly defensive about RedFF or outwardly "resist" the bandwagon. I'm also not disagreeing that BC is the "alternate lynch", and I didn't say that. I said it was a nonpoint. It is the alternative lynch but it doesn't matter and gives you no information about my alignment. You're trying to make it look like I contradicted myself in this post: "The wagon formed too fast" is not really an adequate rebuttal to the entire case that redFF is scum. I doubt he will come to defend himself, hasn't he ragequit the game because WBG called him bad? I'd expect there is resistance, but if scum plays that badly town can overwhelm the mafia resistance and in this case if I'm scum I'd be looking for an alternative lynch to push. when I did not. I don't need you to tell me how the votes happened, I'm aware of it and it doesn't help anybody. The fact that I second guess myself a lot might make me seem aloof. I'm just not going to call people stupid and spam worthless one-liners like "youre scum" over and over again. Usually I post a lot and it's very clear how my mind changes from thought to thought and is demonstrated throughout my posts (see: insane mafia 1, salem mafia) but I'm not gonna clutter up the thread this time. I told myself I wouldn't spam in Arkham City and that's exactly what I did. Do you have any other criticisms | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 23 2012 09:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm trying to be calm, I'm certainly interested in what happens. Do you expect me to be screaming and spamming for scum on Day 1? I was for the RedFF lynch and changed my vote to pressure BC. I changed it back during a time when it could have very easily gone either way. If I feel incredibly strong about a lynch or a case I will take more time to read filters/the thread and push it harder. I felt pretty good about redFF. I didn't feel the need to use "backbone" to strong arm the lynch when it already had a huge majority of the votes. That's just noise. Especially when redFF isn't even responding. BC was the second lynch but when you use the word 'alternative' are you trying to imply that I was defending red by voting for BC? That I was doing the exact scum plan that I explained in my post? Why does it even matter if BC was the second bandwagon, that implies nothing about my alignment and has absolutely nothing to do with the original point I was making which was only about why scum would not need to act majorly defensive about RedFF or outwardly "resist" the bandwagon. I'm also not disagreeing that BC is the "alternate lynch", and I didn't say that. I said it was a nonpoint. It is the alternative lynch but it doesn't matter and gives you no information about my alignment. You're trying to make it look like I contradicted myself in this post: when I did not. I don't need you to tell me how the votes happened, I'm aware of it and it doesn't help anybody. The fact that I second guess myself a lot might make me seem aloof. I'm just not going to call people stupid and spam worthless one-liners like "youre scum" over and over again. Usually I post a lot and it's very clear how my mind changes from thought to thought and is demonstrated throughout my posts (see: insane mafia 1, salem mafia) but I'm not gonna clutter up the thread this time. I told myself I wouldn't spam in Arkham City and that's exactly what I did. Do you have any other criticisms I find it even funnier that you're basically flipping out when I've barely prodded you yet. I haven't implied anything, yet you are jumping to conclusions. Immediately you jump to this conclusion: BC was the second lynch but when you use the word 'alternative' are you trying to imply that I was defending red by voting for BC? That I was doing the exact scum plan that I explained in my post? Why does it even matter if BC was the second bandwagon, that implies nothing about my alignment and has absolutely nothing to do with the original point I was making which was only about why scum would not need to act majorly defensive about RedFF or outwardly "resist" the bandwagon. Why do you seem so scared of me coming to this conclusion? No one knows redFF's alignment, but you seem oddly fixated on the implications of that fact. It's as if you have knowledge that I don't. Why so quick to cover your ass when I haven't even fully accused you of anything? haha I love when scummy people do the work for me | ||
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