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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
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cakepie
985 Posts
I was roleblocked. With Mocsta's flip I feel that it is thus more likely that this comes from Robert Bellarmine (scum RB) than Martin Luther (town RB) I will now continue my intended end-of-night dump, then go grab breakfast before coming back to all the end-of-night dumps that have been going up. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 22 2012 09:03 Chromatically wrote: ##Vote: OmniEulogy Well, let's hear it. Trying to distance yourself from Omni? Why are you in such a panic to do so? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
A case against Orangeremi. Someone I would like to make a case against is Orangeremi, who has not made a significant enough contribution to the town to be completely innocent, and their lack of participation of making real discussion has made me very skeptical about their town/scum status. Besides 1-2 posts, the rest have not been very thought-provoking, and have been mostly one-liners and stuff that does not advance the discussion forward. This is a very safe strategy to not attract attention, a strategy which would benefit a scum very much. On December 20 2012 06:26 Orangeremi wrote: I don't feel obligated to respond to this question. I've found very little evidence to incriminate any player and deem it foolish to attempt a case towards anyone I'm entirely unsure of. Maybe I'll come across something before Day's end, but until then I'm inclined not to answer. While I would like to say that his/her intentions were good, they have waited too long to come forward with any names. This implies that either they have not seen anything from anyone that has looked suspicious (which I highly doubt, as other people have said suspicious things), or he is afraid to come forward with any accusations because that would put them in the spotlight. From my earlier post: On December 22 2012 00:25 cDgCorazon wrote: They [scum] are afraid to call people out (a mistake I have made that might have made you all think I was scum, but I already have 2-3 people I would like to question once the Day cycle starts again) in fear of being called out themselves. Orangeremi’s only hint of who he feels as suspicious has come in the way of this post: On December 20 2012 10:23 Orangeremi wrote: At this point I'm entirely uncommitted. Of all players nominated for lynching, FatChunk, Threesr, and cDgCorazon are the ones I'm considering. Otherwise, I have a slight suspicion of Sylencia that is based solely on a hunch and little to no evidence. They named 4 people who they are slightly suspicious of, but put no reason behind any of his suspicions. This is a scummy action because they simply did not have a good reason for suspecting those 4 people to be scum. A big scum tell is just accusing people without giving any arguments, or arguments that do not make any logical sense. It is almost hoping that the town agrees so the scum’s lynch target(s) can go down, without making any effort whatsoever. Since Orangeremi has not given arguments for why Threesr, Fatchunk, and Sylencia (they have given an argument for me) are scum, we should assume for now that he/she does not have an argument for them. Not only is that a weak accusation, but a scummy accusation as well. I feel like OJR (which is what I’m calling he/she from now on, much easier to write) needs to step up his scum-hunting efforts in order to clear suspicion from myself. OJR has all the room to defend themselves, but until OJR picks it up, I am very suspicious of them. I also wish that if you guys vote for OJR later, you should have a good reason for doing it as well. I'm not too fond of bandwagoners. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On December 22 2012 06:49 Aquanim wrote: @Orangeremi: What did you think of Spaghetticus' defence to my case? | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On December 22 2012 09:12 cDgCorazon wrote: Trying to distance yourself from Omni? Why are you in such a panic to do so? Trying to distance myself...? I wrote a giant case against him... | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 22 2012 09:24 Chromatically wrote: Trying to distance myself...? I wrote a giant case against him... Mocsta just wrote a good case putting you two as scum buddies. Since Omni is very suspicious right now, and multiple people have doubted his role as town, the best thing for you to do would be to vote against him to try and prove you are not scum? You're trying to just disassociate from him without making too much of a fuss about it. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
I posted my case before Mocsta posted his, there would be no reason to try and bus Omni... | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
From experience, it is extremely awkward to talk about your scumbuddies. In XXXI, I never mentioned Kickstart unless I practically had to. Apart from the supposed association with Omni, he accuses me of bandwagoning you (Corazon), except I actually wrote the original case. Pushing scumreads =/= bandwagoning. He says I'm aggressive.. which is not a scum trait. If there's a specific point you want to draw my attention to, that's fine, but his case barely analyses me at all. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 22 2012 09:36 Chromatically wrote: Apart from the supposed association with Omni, he accuses me of bandwagoning you (Corazon), except I actually wrote the original case. Pushing scumreads =/= bandwagoning. Actually, Aqua was the first one to write the original case against me. You basically just echoed everything he had said. It does not matter if you thought of the idea first, he got to it first. Saying "Aqua beat me to the punch" is a pretty easy way out if I would have been lynched and flipped town, but also a good way to have a more solid town reading to others because "you thought about it first". | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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cakepie
985 Posts
Voting patterns, part 2: I believe that scum voting would have been distributed at all times. ----- Early phase: Aquanim -> cDgCorazon 19 1740 shz -> Mocsta 19 1833 Chromatically -> cDgCorazon 19 2210 FatChunk -> threesr 19 2246 cakepie -> OrangeRemi 19 2321 Mocsta -> shz 19 2347 Mocsta -> threesr 20 0119 I have discussed this already, there could be one, possibly even two scum here if they chose to go for a more active-looking play. Too few to meaningfully discuss distribution. ----- Havoc phase: threesr -> Mocsta 20 0205 threesr -> FatChunk 20 0219 cDgCorazon -> Aquanim 20 0518 threesr -> cDgCorazon 20 0632 cDgCorazon -> threesr 20 0637 threesr -> FatChunk 20 0651 Mostly threesr causing a mess. He could indeed be lazy/bad/crazy as both Spag and myself had observed in D1. At the same time I cannot shake the niggling feeling that this is the great havoc-causing play that he had been waiting for. It is so careless and imprudent, it might be just crazy enough to work. ----- Corazon wagon phase: OmniEulogy -> cDgCorazon 20 0929 threesr -> cDgCorazon 20 1311 shz -> cDgCorazon 20 1317 Sylencia -> cDgCorazon 20 1405 If scum has not already put two on corazon, they would be doing it here. A third scum is either still lurking and waiting, not voting yet, or has already voted elsewhere -- in which case I feel it would most likely on threesr {FatChunk, Corazon, Mocsta}, which leads me to suspect FatChunk somewhat. ----- Spaghetticus case initiation phase: Aquanim -> Spaghetticus 20 1936 OmniEulogy -> Spaghetticus 20 2150 OrangeRemi -> nolynch 20 2247 Chromatically -> FatChunk 20 2354 cDgCorazon -> nolynch 21 0026 cDgCorazon -> threesr 21 0040 The main thing in this phase is that it is clear that many of us find OmniEulogy suspicious for the way that he followed as the second vote on Spag. I have mentioned this in my posted reads of Aquanim and Omni just a while ago as well. We've got the nolynch votes, which at this point I would treat as cautious/confused newbie play rather than anything scummy. Chromatically switches off from corazon onto fatchunk here. These were his top two scum reads. He left himself the possibility of moving onto Spaghetticus. I liked his thoughts on fatchunk, and had a mild town vibe off of that. However, it can also be seen as a careful positioning to not agree too quickly with Aquanim and OmniEulogy. ----- Spaghetticus wagon phase: Mocsta -> Spaghetticus 21 0052 cakepie -> Spaghetticus 21 0252 kickstart -> Spaghetticus 21 0531 Chromatically -> Spaghetticus 21 0657 shz -> Spaghetticus 21 0725 OrangeRemi -> Fatchunk 21 0850 After Mocsta's contribution, I found myself in agreement with Aquanim and Mocsta here, and less so with OmniEulogy who did not present as much in the way of compelling arguments for the lynch. My urging of chromatically to move was motivated by a high confidence from the high level of agreement with Aquanim, Mocsta and myself, conferring some mutual confirmation. I also still believed Chromatically to be town-ish at the time. However I now downgrade him to mildly scum-ish for his shortage of good justification when switching his vote over. If scum has not already put two on Spaghetticus (i.e. both Aqua and omni being scum), then one of kickstart, chromatically, and shz is scum. - Kickstart I have commented about, if he continues to lurk as hard as he has done it will start shifting from null- to much scummier for him. - If chromatically is the scum, he would be scumbuddy with Aqua or Omni, but not both, I think -- unlikely to be all three of them, at most two of three. I think a case against shz can be built upon his poor case initiation against mocsta in the early game, plus the fact that he wagoned onto both Corazon and Spaghetticus. ----- I would look for one or two scum among {OmniEulogy, Aquanim, Chromatically} in that order of decreasing suspicion. Beyond that, shz is next most suspicious for me. Threesr is hard to place, but I still don't like the confusion he causes. The away / heavy lurking {Kickstart, Sylencia, OrangeRemi} are null-, with kickstart being of most concern. Their play on D2 (or lack thereof) will determine greatly how my read of them changes. ----- To start the day I would like to continue the pressure on the heavy lurkers to start getting in on the discussion. ##Vote: Kickstart ##FoS: OrangeRemi Surely there is a lot more useful things to discuss now. With the loss of Spaghetticus and Mocsta, and Aquanim and Chromatically both under suspicion, we really need the quieter townies to start stepping up, if townies you be. If you do not speak up, then scum you are. For Sylencia I will give a single good faith opportunity for now based on his away claim. Be back after breakfast. | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
If you're not voting for OE, you should have a very good explanation why. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Now, if SK was roleblocked, then would we have a reason to suspect cakepie as being SK? I am not saying cakepie is SK, and this is all very circumstantial, but it is something that we should take a look at over the next few days, especially if there are two kills the next night. If anyone else got roleblocked, could they speak up? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 22 2012 10:57 Chromatically wrote: Can everyone read my case and say why they (don't) agree with it? Especially the slip part, I can't see a single town explanation for that. If you're not voting for OE, you should have a very good explanation why. I would like to wait for OE to respond to your arguments before voting for him. My vote/non-vote for him all depends on his response. Let's not be too hasty here, we have 44 hours to make a decision. Plenty of time for someone else to make a good case for/against OE, and cases against other players. | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
The upside is that the thoughts on Omni seem to match up with what I posted last night, but now there's been a lot more meat put into the argument against him, but before I vote I'd like to see what the defense is like. As for orange, if we see him being mroe active today - hopefully I am too - we mght be able to get a better read on him, since at the moment it's still a little hard to nail him down as any role. Cora: I'd like to think there isn't an SK for now, since as you said there was only one kill. If cake was the SK, would you really think he'd come out and openly admit he was roleblocked, only for there to be 2 kills tomorrow? :\ | ||
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