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On April 05 2013 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 13:45 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's say you try to pick CPRdoctor as #3. You get vanilla. You claim you tried to pick CPRdoctor and that you didn't get it when D1 starts. Scum have a member in #1 or #2. You just gave out the town CPRdoc. Scum can even random a kill on #1 or #2 and if the CPRdoc flips town, you have no way of knowing if the other guy is mafia, if the #3 picker is mafia. What's next? Do you kill those guys too? Just to be sure they are not lying?
If not, why did you gave out scum role information in the first place? On April 04 2013 21:52 Mocsta wrote:
Or perhaps we just figured out the scum CPRdoctor.
I think as said before, some ppl may be going for "superstar' roles and become Vanilla.
i see value in those disclaiming that the role exists in the game.
It is then up to town to decide how much credence they want to give to the claim. On April 04 2013 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you think so? CPRdoctor is not a bad role if used right. It's a fucking multi shot night vigi! @RaynCan we please continue this discussion. This exchange just doesnt sit right with me. + it looks like you are setting yourself up for a CPR request. If I am reading this correctly, you believe a CPR role is not a bad *TOWN* role if 'used right'. i.e. it didn't cross your mind, that it would be beneficial to scum; nor a high priority scum pick How so?The CPR doctor kills anyone you protect, that isnt attacked that night. As town, this is one of the most WIFOM inducing roles. i.e. Lets protect "XYZ" the town leader, because he surely will be shot.... and if scum doesnt shoot him, you just killed the town leader. So yes, I would like you to extrapolate on why you think CPR is a beneficial role to town; as opposed to a role worth ensuring scum can not use. Okay. We continue with this. ^^ CPR is not a bad town role if used correctly (shoot scum or not use it at all). I know it's beneficial to scum also, never said i don't think so. I don't think CPR should never be used as doctor.Looks like we are thinking the same way about that role. I however do not understand why do you think i think CPR is not a scary scum role? If i say it can be a good town role it doesn't mean it can't be a good scum role too. I assume never = ever
If so, that clarifies everything.
As for your last point, it was based on you repeatedly engaging me to say it was only town you were referring to.
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On April 05 2013 20:07 Vivax wrote:
@ mocsta
Didn't agree with all of rayn's list, sharrant for example. But yamato, you and geript were good calls imo. And I don't think scum would play like rayn did, it's that simple.
Vivax, the original question was from OO, not me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=34#662
Further, I am inclined to agree with Oats. The response above does not resolve the outstanding issue.
In fact, it makes me more curious.
(1)
OO was concerned about why Rayn was your #1
i.e. he noticed a valid contradiction in what each of you deemed as strong town
A response to this is still outstanding.
(2)On April 05 2013 16:35 Mocsta wrote:
*Regarding Vivax*
I am in agreement with your thoughts. His filter reads nice at the start; and then has some peculiarities where I can not follow the logic.
e.g. the rationale for Rayn as a #1 pick.
Or that, he agrees with Rayns top 5.. yet his own Top 5 only has Rayn as a commanality?? My concern was that your top 5 did not match the top5 of rayn.
However, your response above indicates that at specific point in time - you agreed with 3 of the rayn reads.
The stories are not matching up.
(3)This is nitpicking, but even small comments like Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 03:37 Vivax wrote:
Sadly, RO's wasn't a scumclaim. He could just shut up or lie about agreeing with sending in the right numbers while he doesn't. Why is it sad Rayn was going off nothing? etc
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On April 05 2013 22:15 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:07 Vivax wrote:
@ mocsta
Didn't agree with all of rayn's list, sharrant for example. But yamato, you and geript were good calls imo. And I don't think scum would play like rayn did, it's that simple.
Vivax, the original question was from OO, not me. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=34#662Further, I am inclined to agree with Oats. The response above does not resolve the outstanding issue. In fact, it makes me more curious.
(1) OO was concerned about why Rayn was your #1 i.e. he noticed a valid contradiction in what each of you deemed as strong town A response to this is still outstanding.
(2) Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 16:35 Mocsta wrote:
*Regarding Vivax*
I am in agreement with your thoughts. His filter reads nice at the start; and then has some peculiarities where I can not follow the logic.
e.g. the rationale for Rayn as a #1 pick.
Or that, he agrees with Rayns top 5.. yet his own Top 5 only has Rayn as a commanality?? My concern was that your top 5 did not match the top5 of rayn. However, your response above indicates that at specific point in time - you agreed with 3 of the rayn reads. The stories are not matching up.
(3) Show nested quote +This is nitpicking, but even small comments like On April 05 2013 03:37 Vivax wrote:
Sadly, RO's wasn't a scumclaim. He could just shut up or lie about agreeing with sending in the right numbers while he doesn't. Why is it sad Rayn was going off nothing? etc I'm still curious about this one. Interesting as well that you chose to respond to this post, but not this point.
lotta pagebreaks.
Any reads other than Vivax, Mocsta?
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i think everybody should claim their numbers now. I will shoot anybody who fails to do so.
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On April 05 2013 22:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Any reads other than Vivax, Mocsta?
Frankly, its difficult as we are not officially in Day 1 - so the contributions from many are limited.
To answer your question: I just have FoS, than actual scum reads.
FoS: AustinMCC / Bill Murray / Vivax / VE
I also like yams points about Palmar/MZ
Im hoping once the game actually starts, more ppl start chipping in; so proper scum reads can develop.
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On April 05 2013 22:18 Caller wrote:
i think everybody should claim their numbers now. I will shoot anybody who fails to do so.
Why don't you claim picking [6][1]?
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On April 05 2013 22:32 Restraining Order wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 22:18 Caller wrote:
i think everybody should claim their numbers now. I will shoot anybody who fails to do so. Why don't you claim picking [6][1]?
Wait, nvm, you picked the same first number as Snb, not me.
all wrong
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On April 05 2013 22:33 Restraining Order wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 22:32 Restraining Order wrote:On April 05 2013 22:18 Caller wrote:
i think everybody should claim their numbers now. I will shoot anybody who fails to do so. Why don't you claim picking [6][1]? Wait, nvm, you picked the same first number as Snb, not me. all wrong
wait, how do you know all this?
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On April 05 2013 22:42 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 22:33 Restraining Order wrote:On April 05 2013 22:32 Restraining Order wrote:On April 05 2013 22:18 Caller wrote:
i think everybody should claim their numbers now. I will shoot anybody who fails to do so. Why don't you claim picking [6][1]? Wait, nvm, you picked the same first number as Snb, not me. all wrong wait, how do you know all this?
basic math and shit.
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Caller; do you still think me/yam are scum?
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On April 05 2013 22:45 Restraining Order wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 22:42 Caller wrote:On April 05 2013 22:33 Restraining Order wrote:On April 05 2013 22:32 Restraining Order wrote:On April 05 2013 22:18 Caller wrote:
i think everybody should claim their numbers now. I will shoot anybody who fails to do so. Why don't you claim picking [6][1]? Wait, nvm, you picked the same first number as Snb, not me. all wrong wait, how do you know all this? basic math and shit.
explain for idiots like me please
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On April 05 2013 22:47 Mocsta wrote:
Caller; do you still think me/yam are scum?
why does it matter?
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This is roughly where it stands, I didn't dig through to get all the second numbers for the 8's and 11's, but those don't matter that much.
Sn0_man - 1, 1? could theoretically also be 2 or 3 I guess, but no reason to disbelieve it.
obviousone - 234?
Raynpelikoneet - 5, 1
Sinani206 - 7, 2
Visceraeyes - 10, 10
Geript - something huge, 18, 12? can't remember
strongandbig - 234? same first as caller
Caller - 234? same first as snb, larger second
restraining order - 6, 2
Meapak_ziphh - 6, 3+
artanis[xp] - 11
sharrant - 11
gonzaw - 8
Austinmcc - 8
Keirathi - 8
Palmar - 8
Mocsta - 8
Shelvocke - 8
Deconduo - 8
Vivax - 8, 1
Oatmaster - 8, 1
billmurray - either 8 or didn't send
Yamato77 - not sent, tried 11
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On April 05 2013 22:50 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 22:47 Mocsta wrote:
Caller; do you still think me/yam are scum? why does it matter?
Cos thats been your piece de resistance for contributions thus far.
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On April 05 2013 22:50 Restraining Order wrote:
This is roughly where it stands, I didn't dig through to get all the second numbers for the 8's and 11's, but those don't matter that much.
Sn0_man - 1, 1? could theoretically also be 2 or 3 I guess, but no reason to disbelieve it.
obviousone - 234?
Raynpelikoneet - 5, 1
Sinani206 - 7, 2
Visceraeyes - 10, 10
Geript - something huge, 18, 12? can't remember
strongandbig - 234? same first as caller
Caller - 234? same first as snb, larger second
restraining order - 6, 2
Meapak_ziphh - 6, 3+
artanis[xp] - 11
sharrant - 11
gonzaw - 8
Austinmcc - 8
Keirathi - 8
Palmar - 8
Mocsta - 8
Shelvocke - 8
Deconduo - 8
Vivax - 8, 1
Oatmaster - 8, 1
billmurray - either 8 or didn't send
Yamato77 - not sent, tried 11
couldn't snb have picked 19 or 20? and meapak would have picked 11, no?
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On April 05 2013 22:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 22:50 Caller wrote:On April 05 2013 22:47 Mocsta wrote:
Caller; do you still think me/yam are scum? why does it matter? Cos thats been your piece de resistance for contributions thus far.
that's nice
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On April 05 2013 22:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 22:50 Caller wrote:On April 05 2013 22:47 Mocsta wrote:
Caller; do you still think me/yam are scum? why does it matter? Cos thats been your piece de resistance for contributions thus far.
Nah it was OATS IS SCUM BRO FOR NO REASON.
Still interested by the way.
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I was [8][4]
Having people take KP roles and then lynching them if they ever hit town is sillypants. I have not seen any multi-shot vigis hit only scum. And vigis probably aren't even 50/50 across the board hitting scum with the first shot. So instead, what we get is someone who THINKS that they're going to do better than the average vigi, probably still hits town, and then we spend a lynch killing a townie who thought he could be an outlier. Even if you choose vigi and shoot scum then town, congrats. We are now supposed to lynch you and than means we lost 2 townies for one scum player AND had to use a lynch on you. Don't like town KP roles using it, because scum NEEDS extra KP flying around to win. Don't like planning for what happens if town KP roles use it, because they shouldn't be, except in corner cases where we have investigations we trust or something of that sort.
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On April 05 2013 22:54 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 22:50 Restraining Order wrote:
This is roughly where it stands, I didn't dig through to get all the second numbers for the 8's and 11's, but those don't matter that much.
Sn0_man - 1, 1? could theoretically also be 2 or 3 I guess, but no reason to disbelieve it.
obviousone - 234?
Raynpelikoneet - 5, 1
Sinani206 - 7, 2
Visceraeyes - 10, 10
Geript - something huge, 18, 12? can't remember
strongandbig - 234? same first as caller
Caller - 234? same first as snb, larger second
restraining order - 6, 2
Meapak_ziphh - 6, 3+
artanis[xp] - 11
sharrant - 11
gonzaw - 8
Austinmcc - 8
Keirathi - 8
Palmar - 8
Mocsta - 8
Shelvocke - 8
Deconduo - 8
Vivax - 8, 1
Oatmaster - 8, 1
billmurray - either 8 or didn't send
Yamato77 - not sent, tried 11 couldn't snb have picked 19 or 20? and meapak would have picked 11, no?
Yeah.
You could also both be [1, 1], sno, 2 or 3, obvious 3 or 4.
etc etc.
Not enough claims to make the list 100% foolproof true.
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I picked [8,1] as well, fucking hell.
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EPT
