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Do people disagree with this assessment. Is there more to Barundars play than good general advice and pro-town words? What am I missing here?
I'd ague that it is pretty pro town to limit the suspects, as is finaly happening. Yes I haven't thrown out random accusations, as the rest of the town has been so happy to, because I couldn't see the reason to. I have my suspects, and I will bring them up after today, but I see no reason to bring forward more suspects at this point.
If you think I'm not capable of doing like any other here and throw random accusations as town, you are severely under estimating me. I am not a newbie at this game, despite not having played with you before, and I'm smart enough to just follow suit with the rest of the town and throw accusations as scum. However, instead I called attention upon myself for arguing against it, which is quite the opposite of what any reasonable mafia player would do. You are looking too hard for something that isn't there.
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Voting incognito and going to bed. GN.
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On May 18 2011 07:28 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 06:49 Foolishness wrote:
Seems to me deconduo is an obvious green (or village idiot). Could you elaborate what makes you think he is obvious green? VI perhaps, but what makes you think he green? He wants us to lynch him because "he thinks he is the mole". He feels as a vanilla, it would be most useful if he were lynched. He has provided no attempt to help town. Are you guys inferring deconduo is the type of person that would rage quit the game because he didn't get the role he wanted?
Well, that's what I'm wondering about at the moment. From near the beginning of the game:
On May 14 2011 21:56 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 20:57 Radfield wrote:On May 14 2011 20:24 deconduo wrote:
Oh, and to those coming up with picking tactics, I'm noting going to be following them. I'm going to pick whatever I think is most fun, not whats most optimum. This argument has been made in past PYP games as well. I can certainly understand where it comes from, no one likes to be dictated to, and the point of mafia is to have fun. However, it's important to note that what you're basically saying is, "No matter if role-denial is a great thing for town, I'm going to do whats best for me". This is of course an anti-town and pro-mafia viewpoint, so I hope you understand that I'll probably view it as such, and may hold it against you as the game goes on. I'm not trying to be a jerk here or anything, just trying to point out how I see that particular viewpoint. However, if you disagree and think that role-denial is NOT a great thing for the town, that's a different matter, and i encourage you to elaborate(which i'm sure folks some will). My viewpoint is that the game starts after the roles have been picked. Any optimum picking strategy or awesome pick setup (like LSB's) just goes against my style of playing. I will be playing pro-town once the picks have gone through.Regardless, to avoid confrontation I've chosen numbers in a way that I will hopefully be in the middle/end of the draft rather than the start.
This sugests that he was never initially aiming at any "power roles", unless what he wrote here is a lie. He also makes a promise to act "pro-town", once the roles go out, but never delivers, opting for spam, one-liners, and confusing messages instead.
So, he makes a post inferring that power-roles aren't important to him, so he'll aim for the middle/end of the queue, then he gets an early queue position, and supposedly picks a role, doesn't get it, and now rage-quits? That just seems off to me, when he was saying he wants to be in a position where he wouldn't get a very strong role (or any role at all, potentially). So, he's just thrown us into a bunch of WIFOM, that isn't helping anything. I might be forced to consider that he's the VI, but at this point, that's detrimental to town as well, because it gives him an excuse to post whatever he wants and to be ignored, and to lurk, under the guise of being VI. If we ever want to lynch him, it becomes a big pit of WIFOM, as he and others form a defense over his actions Day 1.
Maybe the best thing would be to have someone just shoot him tonight?
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On May 18 2011 08:02 Radfield wrote:
Kavdragon, you need to cool it and not respond to every single attack against you. Someone will always disagree with what you say, and keep in mind that some people are actively trying to mess with you. Arguing, which is what you're doing, is not good for the town in general, especially at the end of a Day when we need to find a lynch target. You need to focus less on yourself, and more on the other players in the game.
What I'm trying to say is: if someone wants to attack you, they're probably not going to be swayed by any counter-arguments you make. So wait to defend yourself until several people are ganging up and questioning you, or until someone makes a serious case against you. What you're doing is cluttering up the thread a bit, and making it harder to focus in.
No hard feelings or anything, I just want to slow down your posting a somewhat.
Generally speaking I don't like getting into arguments like that, but there were two other things i wanted to accomplish: The first was to give more information on myself, become more transparent and easier to read. The second was to get more public information on Ace. I still don't trust myself to read ace, but that doesn't mean that the other vet's can't. Ace is the best scum player in this game as I've said before, and I saw a chance to get him to talk. So I continued to argue with him with the hope that it would draw out useful information.
Of course he'll probably say that that ^^ is BS, but I don't care anymore. The argument has reached the end of it's usefulness.
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On May 18 2011 08:12 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 07:28 kitaman27 wrote:On May 18 2011 06:49 Foolishness wrote:
Seems to me deconduo is an obvious green (or village idiot). Could you elaborate what makes you think he is obvious green? VI perhaps, but what makes you think he green? He wants us to lynch him because "he thinks he is the mole". He feels as a vanilla, it would be most useful if he were lynched. He has provided no attempt to help town. Are you guys inferring deconduo is the type of person that would rage quit the game because he didn't get the role he wanted? Well, that's what I'm wondering about at the moment. From near the beginning of the game: Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 21:56 deconduo wrote:On May 14 2011 20:57 Radfield wrote:On May 14 2011 20:24 deconduo wrote:
Oh, and to those coming up with picking tactics, I'm noting going to be following them. I'm going to pick whatever I think is most fun, not whats most optimum. This argument has been made in past PYP games as well. I can certainly understand where it comes from, no one likes to be dictated to, and the point of mafia is to have fun. However, it's important to note that what you're basically saying is, "No matter if role-denial is a great thing for town, I'm going to do whats best for me". This is of course an anti-town and pro-mafia viewpoint, so I hope you understand that I'll probably view it as such, and may hold it against you as the game goes on. I'm not trying to be a jerk here or anything, just trying to point out how I see that particular viewpoint. However, if you disagree and think that role-denial is NOT a great thing for the town, that's a different matter, and i encourage you to elaborate(which i'm sure folks some will). My viewpoint is that the game starts after the roles have been picked. Any optimum picking strategy or awesome pick setup (like LSB's) just goes against my style of playing. I will be playing pro-town once the picks have gone through.Regardless, to avoid confrontation I've chosen numbers in a way that I will hopefully be in the middle/end of the draft rather than the start. This sugests that he was never initially aiming at any "power roles", unless what he wrote here is a lie. He also makes a promise to act "pro-town", once the roles go out, but never delivers, opting for spam, one-liners, and confusing messages instead. So, he makes a post inferring that power-roles aren't important to him, so he'll aim for the middle/end of the queue, then he gets an early queue position, and supposedly picks a role, doesn't get it, and now rage-quits? That just seems off to me, when he was saying he wants to be in a position where he wouldn't get a very strong role (or any role at all, potentially). So, he's just thrown us into a bunch of WIFOM, that isn't helping anything. I might be forced to consider that he's the VI, but at this point, that's detrimental to town as well, because it gives him an excuse to post whatever he wants and to be ignored, and to lurk, under the guise of being VI. If we ever want to lynch him, it becomes a big pit of WIFOM, as he and others form a defense over his actions Day 1. Maybe the best thing would be to have someone just shoot him tonight?
I found another mafia.
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On May 18 2011 08:23 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 08:12 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 18 2011 07:28 kitaman27 wrote:On May 18 2011 06:49 Foolishness wrote:
Seems to me deconduo is an obvious green (or village idiot). Could you elaborate what makes you think he is obvious green? VI perhaps, but what makes you think he green? He wants us to lynch him because "he thinks he is the mole". He feels as a vanilla, it would be most useful if he were lynched. He has provided no attempt to help town. Are you guys inferring deconduo is the type of person that would rage quit the game because he didn't get the role he wanted? Well, that's what I'm wondering about at the moment. From near the beginning of the game: On May 14 2011 21:56 deconduo wrote:On May 14 2011 20:57 Radfield wrote:On May 14 2011 20:24 deconduo wrote:
Oh, and to those coming up with picking tactics, I'm noting going to be following them. I'm going to pick whatever I think is most fun, not whats most optimum. This argument has been made in past PYP games as well. I can certainly understand where it comes from, no one likes to be dictated to, and the point of mafia is to have fun. However, it's important to note that what you're basically saying is, "No matter if role-denial is a great thing for town, I'm going to do whats best for me". This is of course an anti-town and pro-mafia viewpoint, so I hope you understand that I'll probably view it as such, and may hold it against you as the game goes on. I'm not trying to be a jerk here or anything, just trying to point out how I see that particular viewpoint. However, if you disagree and think that role-denial is NOT a great thing for the town, that's a different matter, and i encourage you to elaborate(which i'm sure folks some will). My viewpoint is that the game starts after the roles have been picked. Any optimum picking strategy or awesome pick setup (like LSB's) just goes against my style of playing. I will be playing pro-town once the picks have gone through.Regardless, to avoid confrontation I've chosen numbers in a way that I will hopefully be in the middle/end of the draft rather than the start. This sugests that he was never initially aiming at any "power roles", unless what he wrote here is a lie. He also makes a promise to act "pro-town", once the roles go out, but never delivers, opting for spam, one-liners, and confusing messages instead. So, he makes a post inferring that power-roles aren't important to him, so he'll aim for the middle/end of the queue, then he gets an early queue position, and supposedly picks a role, doesn't get it, and now rage-quits? That just seems off to me, when he was saying he wants to be in a position where he wouldn't get a very strong role (or any role at all, potentially). So, he's just thrown us into a bunch of WIFOM, that isn't helping anything. I might be forced to consider that he's the VI, but at this point, that's detrimental to town as well, because it gives him an excuse to post whatever he wants and to be ignored, and to lurk, under the guise of being VI. If we ever want to lynch him, it becomes a big pit of WIFOM, as he and others form a defense over his actions Day 1. Maybe the best thing would be to have someone just shoot him tonight? I found another mafia.
Is your criteria for mafia "anyone who disagrees with me"?
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On May 18 2011 07:49 Barundar wrote:Regarding incognito I have problems explaining his actual scum hunting so far. Loads of finger pointing and weak reasons for votes. For an example his vote on chaoser: Show nested quote +Bumatlarge is also on the right track. Chaoser is a good vote too. Actually, wait, a better vote than Kurumi. I'll put Chaoser as 85% mafia.
##Vote Chaoser Why does he think chaoser is 85 % mafia? Thats very high degree of certainty day 1. Since then he doesn't mention chaoser or try to convince others of his guilt. Same with Kurumi and GMarshal: + Show Spoiler +On May 16 2011 14:20 Incognito wrote:
Flamewheel please nuke GMarshal. Thanks.
##Vote Kurumi My biggest issue with voting incognito is 1) He is a vet, so if town it would be a huge loss. 2) He provides pro town ideas, like the listchecker + vote rigger idea, as well as info on roles. His play before the day post was still riddled with random accusations, but his role ideas was good. He claims he is playing weird because he doesn't have time to play a proper day 1, but I don't buy that. He has been reasonably active in the thread, and he is obviously reading it. I guess my question to Foolishness and Ace is, how do you explain his contributions with regards to roles if he is mafia?
Another post to look at! Hoorah! Fortunately it even came in before my attack. Lets see if it follows the general trend.
This whole post is directing other players to vote for incognito, yet not really taking a stance either way. I finished reading this post, and wasn't really sure if Barundar was actually even going to vote for Incog(he did).
Ok there are problems with Incogs play(agreed), there are some positives and negatives to lynching him(agreed). These are just generally agreed upon points, sensible points, but nothing that needs to be re-pointed out. He 'doesn't buy' Incog's excuse, yet isn't directly pushing other players to vote for him. Simply putting points and notes out into the wind. Best of all, he finishes with a question that has an obvious answer, and doesn't need to be asked.
No risks, just recapping whats happened, with the ever so slightest hint of an opinion. Again, nothing that isn't sensible, and nothing that I particularly disagree with, but with the looks of someone wanting to have some substance behind their vote(as opposed to someone having substance behind their vote).
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Incognito was the first to point out the good combos which I failed to see. I think thats enough to warrant that he should not be lynched the first day. Maybe he saw another crucial one and decided that was the strongest of the ones he found, but I have gone over them again after seeing incog's post and haven't found anything. No one else found anything either, so I think incog was being as truthful as possible.
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On May 18 2011 08:24 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 08:23 deconduo wrote:On May 18 2011 08:12 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 18 2011 07:28 kitaman27 wrote:On May 18 2011 06:49 Foolishness wrote:
Seems to me deconduo is an obvious green (or village idiot). Could you elaborate what makes you think he is obvious green? VI perhaps, but what makes you think he green? He wants us to lynch him because "he thinks he is the mole". He feels as a vanilla, it would be most useful if he were lynched. He has provided no attempt to help town. Are you guys inferring deconduo is the type of person that would rage quit the game because he didn't get the role he wanted? Well, that's what I'm wondering about at the moment. From near the beginning of the game: On May 14 2011 21:56 deconduo wrote:On May 14 2011 20:57 Radfield wrote:On May 14 2011 20:24 deconduo wrote:
Oh, and to those coming up with picking tactics, I'm noting going to be following them. I'm going to pick whatever I think is most fun, not whats most optimum. This argument has been made in past PYP games as well. I can certainly understand where it comes from, no one likes to be dictated to, and the point of mafia is to have fun. However, it's important to note that what you're basically saying is, "No matter if role-denial is a great thing for town, I'm going to do whats best for me". This is of course an anti-town and pro-mafia viewpoint, so I hope you understand that I'll probably view it as such, and may hold it against you as the game goes on. I'm not trying to be a jerk here or anything, just trying to point out how I see that particular viewpoint. However, if you disagree and think that role-denial is NOT a great thing for the town, that's a different matter, and i encourage you to elaborate(which i'm sure folks some will). My viewpoint is that the game starts after the roles have been picked. Any optimum picking strategy or awesome pick setup (like LSB's) just goes against my style of playing. I will be playing pro-town once the picks have gone through.Regardless, to avoid confrontation I've chosen numbers in a way that I will hopefully be in the middle/end of the draft rather than the start. This sugests that he was never initially aiming at any "power roles", unless what he wrote here is a lie. He also makes a promise to act "pro-town", once the roles go out, but never delivers, opting for spam, one-liners, and confusing messages instead. So, he makes a post inferring that power-roles aren't important to him, so he'll aim for the middle/end of the queue, then he gets an early queue position, and supposedly picks a role, doesn't get it, and now rage-quits? That just seems off to me, when he was saying he wants to be in a position where he wouldn't get a very strong role (or any role at all, potentially). So, he's just thrown us into a bunch of WIFOM, that isn't helping anything. I might be forced to consider that he's the VI, but at this point, that's detrimental to town as well, because it gives him an excuse to post whatever he wants and to be ignored, and to lurk, under the guise of being VI. If we ever want to lynch him, it becomes a big pit of WIFOM, as he and others form a defense over his actions Day 1. Maybe the best thing would be to have someone just shoot him tonight? I found another mafia. Is your criteria for mafia "anyone who disagrees with me"?
Nope, its a secret formula that I'll tell you after todays lynch.
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Everyone should be giving an opinion of me right now
If you look at the thread, you'll notice that only a handful of people are popping up to accuse/defend me so far. Given how loud Ace et al are talking, I find it ridiculous that some people are popping in here without actually weighing in on this. We have people like GMarshal, who has said nothing of significance. Also Kavdragon, who has this strange fixation to defending himself without saying anything about me or pushing an alternative. Am I really that invisible? I hope not. Everyone who pretends I am invisible just wants to avoid being accountable for any sort of position. This is not something you can be unsure about. My posting this game has been so out of style that you MUST have something to say about it. The mafia want to avoid making an opinion. They want me dead, but they don't want to make it look obvious when they know I'll flip green. Some townies are naturally going to refrain from giving an opinion. After all, reading a few of my posts out there, I am pretty intimidating. But really, there's no reaso to be shy. Get out here and give your opinion. There is no reason to avoid this topic.
Step 1: Identify town focus discussion - done. Its me. There are 2 discussion points that should be discussed from here on out.
1. There is now a referendum on Incognito. Everyone must weigh in.
2. Get the vote rigger to rig the votes if possible. If not, we need to do this ourselves.
1. It should be fairly obvious by now that I am town. Read over my posts again. The only real accusation against me is that I'm trying to cause chaos, therefore I'm mafia. But this post should put an end to that, because I'm basically calling a trial on myself and trying to consolidate the lynch. All this "lynch incognito because he is random voting" is bad reasoning. Mafia is a game about thinking. Choosing the easy way out by just policy lynching people who's play you don't like is sadly bad play in itself, even if Ace thinks he is awesome because of it. Also, sadly for us, policy lynching allows mafia to blend in with zealous pro-policy-lynch townies.
2. Here's why vote rigger should rig today's vote instead of just "spreading votes around a few candidates" to make checks. If we just "spread votes around", mafia have the luxury of being able to spread their votes out among the candidates and remain relatively safe from the vote checks. Secondly, the benefit of using the vote rigger is that we can separate the suspicious people from the innocents. Vote rigger doesn't randomly spread votes around. He places the more suspicious people on one list, while putting the strongest innocents on one list. If he did his job well, there is a strong possibility that the "innocents" list will show up with no mafia, thus giving us a big lead.
Everyone stop freaking out about the vote rigger being anti-town. If the vote rigger is mafia obviously they're going to try to screw us up with it. Although it would be kinda difficult to do so. But if the vote rigger is town, what is there to fear?
In any case, since we don't know if we have a vote rigger or not, we need to ensure that we get roughly good vote check lists in the event that we do not have a vote rigger, or he decides not to cooperate with us.
So here are my proposed lines:
Kavdragon - This list will consist of likely townies
Caller
Incognito
Flamewheel
Foolishness
bumatlarge
Radfield
GMarshal
Kurumi
Ace
tnkted
infinitestory
Dreamflower
Deconduo
KillerSOS
Scamp - This list will consist of lurkers
Chezinu
Eiii
OriginalName
Fishball
kitaman27
Chezinu - This list will consist of suspicious people
Node
Scamp
GMarshal
chaoser
Barundar
Kavdragon
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Also, it feels like people are trying to find players who have not been pro-town in their posting. This makes sense on the surface, but is not in my eyes an effective way to find scum on Day 1.
No one will argue that either Deconduo or Incognito have been pro-town in their posting day 1. They have not. But players who come across on the surface as NOT being pro-town are generally not the mafia. What we really need to find are people who are trying to post pro-town, but when you delve deeper are saying very little at all. That's how you lynch Day 1(and most days after that). Players who are not even attempting to play pro-town are typically townies.
As I'm sure is obvious, this is where my suspicion of Barundar comes from. His posts scream to me someone who is trying to look pro-town, without actually adding much.
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Hey incog, you forgot me.
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hey incog, mafia 2 det can only check one list per day
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Oops for some reason I thought there were 24 people in this game...
Kavdragon - This list will consist of likely townies
Caller
Incognito
Flamewheel
Foolishness
bumatlarge
Radfield
GMarshal
Kurumi
Ace
tnkted
infinitestory
Dreamflower
Deconduo
KillerSOS
Scamp - This list will consist of lurkers
Chezinu
Eiii
OriginalName
Fishball
kitaman27
Mr. Wiggles
Chezinu - This list will consist of suspicious people
Node
Scamp
GMarshal
chaoser
Barundar
Kavdragon
Mafia 2 DT can check one list per day. Inventor can give out a vote list check kit. And still, 2 vote checks are better than nothing. Really we only need 3, as the 4th one we can infer by the results of the others. And as Ace said before, anyone who is a stray vote can just be individually checked.
*Oops accidentally edited instead of quoted. Reverted to original state.
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On May 18 2011 08:24 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 07:49 Barundar wrote:Regarding incognito I have problems explaining his actual scum hunting so far. Loads of finger pointing and weak reasons for votes. For an example his vote on chaoser: Bumatlarge is also on the right track. Chaoser is a good vote too. Actually, wait, a better vote than Kurumi. I'll put Chaoser as 85% mafia.
##Vote Chaoser Why does he think chaoser is 85 % mafia? Thats very high degree of certainty day 1. Since then he doesn't mention chaoser or try to convince others of his guilt. Same with Kurumi and GMarshal: + Show Spoiler +On May 16 2011 14:20 Incognito wrote:
Flamewheel please nuke GMarshal. Thanks.
##Vote Kurumi My biggest issue with voting incognito is 1) He is a vet, so if town it would be a huge loss. 2) He provides pro town ideas, like the listchecker + vote rigger idea, as well as info on roles. His play before the day post was still riddled with random accusations, but his role ideas was good. He claims he is playing weird because he doesn't have time to play a proper day 1, but I don't buy that. He has been reasonably active in the thread, and he is obviously reading it. I guess my question to Foolishness and Ace is, how do you explain his contributions with regards to roles if he is mafia? Another post to look at! Hoorah! Fortunately it even came in before my attack. Lets see if it follows the general trend. This whole post is directing other players to vote for incognito, yet not really taking a stance either way. I finished reading this post, and wasn't really sure if Barundar was actually even going to vote for Incog(he did). Ok there are problems with Incogs play(agreed), there are some positives and negatives to lynching him(agreed). These are just generally agreed upon points, sensible points, but nothing that needs to be re-pointed out. He 'doesn't buy' Incog's excuse, yet isn't directly pushing other players to vote for him. Simply putting points and notes out into the wind. Best of all, he finishes with a question that has an obvious answer, and doesn't need to be asked. No risks, just recapping whats happened, with the ever so slightest hint of an opinion. Again, nothing that isn't sensible, and nothing that I particularly disagree with, but with the looks of someone wanting to have some substance behind their vote(as opposed to someone having substance behind their vote).
Excellent post. Maybe I should change GMarshal to Barundar for the vote list checks.
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I have to agree now on barundar radical. Im switching my vote to him, because chaoser is obviously not getting lynched, and incog isnt scum.
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Please do.
I like your plan, but think it unlikely that you can marshal enough support to get everyone following along. In that case a contingency plan needs to be made.
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Contingency Plan: Focusing on building a list of innocents is really all we need, as the other lists are far less useful. We need to have only pro-town players voting for Barundar. I love that my pro-town list looks basically exactly like yours with a few small changes. Ironically I have both Kavdragon and GMarshall as likely town players, and flamewheel at neutral at best, but mostly nothing.
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Also, for arguments sake I would probably not put you on the pro-town list Incog 
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On May 18 2011 06:28 Kavdragon wrote:
This is how I play town. Go look at XXXVIII. Look at XXXVI.
Incorrect. Here's a post from XXXVIII.
On April 11 2011 06:43 Kavdragon wrote:Screw it. I'm still 10 pages behind cause i had a sound gig I was running this morning, but this needs to get out there asap. (Sorry if it ignores stuff that has happened since page 31) Protactinium is Red.
Dr.H is Red.First and foremost, don't let anyone fool you into thinking that the mayor is a unimportant role. It's EXTREMELY powerful, and VERY helpful to the town. This is a problem for the scum team, so they need a plan to bring it down quickly. So what do you do? First, you try to get a member into the office. It doesn't matter WHICH spot because they are both told the names of the bodyguards, and it doesn't matter HOW it's done, because the person put into that seat will be a sacrifice. Letting one of 8 members die is an excellent trade if you knock out the mayor, and secure the pardoner's role for it. As a bonus you can knock out most, if not all meaningful discussion the first day. Now how can this be done? Have one member claim assassin, have another intimidating member bully and be extremely negative of everyone else running for mayor. My case for Protactinium v1.0 Protactinium has done only one thing so far, and that is announce and defend his Assassin claim Gambit. An interesting, and somewhat appealing plan at first glance, but upon deeper inspection doesn't make sense. I know that Protact is a VERY skilled scum player. He's a good player all around. This gambit of his is a huge risk, because he doesn't know if town will let him in. If he played it quietly, he'd have a better chance than most. He says he came up with a new way to try to survive: become pardoner. It makes sense for a little bit, because that spot is protected. But there's a problem: As he has said multiple times, he wants to use this to get into the endgame, where he can throw his last hammer and then be done. It would work if the mayor lived that long, but to quote foolishness, "Mayors have a pretty high mortality rate". He wants to hid behind bodyguards, but look how fast they fell in insane! Over all, there is SOME validity to the strategy, but not NEARLY enough for someone of Protact's skill level to try it. It's not his level of play. It doesn't make sense. On the other hand, what if he's Red? It'll become apparent enough pretty quickly, and he'll die. So that makes no sense, right? WRONG. There are 8 players on the scum team, and the mayor is a very powerful role. You can cause TONS of havoc from this position, and if you play it right, you might even be able to survive for a few days and stop a lynch. It doesn't even matter if the lynch was going to kill a townie or mafia, because when you flip, people will see that mafia stopped a lynch, and that person is sure to be lynched again. This saves them a whole day either way. This is EXACTLY the level of play I would expect out of an excellent scum player. Before you say that Mafia wouldn't sacrifice one of their better players, it's was done before when Protact and BloodyC0bler were playing in XXVIII. Protactinium is SCUMHe is my currently on my "to-be-lynched" list, and even if you don't agree with my conclusion that he is definitely scum, you cannot deny that there is a strong possibility, and because of this, he should not be voted into office. No question.My Case for Dr.Helvetica v1.0 I've only played with Dr.H once before, and that was in Salem. It was my first game, and I was subbed in. he played EXTREMELY differently in that game. He was positive, helpful, and gave good insight and ideas freely. This game he has been extremely negative of almost anything suggested. He has used his considerable prowess at being intimidating to bully players, and stomp on very pro-town ideas. On top of that, he has been posting TONS and been pretty spammy about it too. There's a lot of new players, so what better way to scare them off than to drown them with hundreds of posts? Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 04:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
kavdragon is saying a lot of useless bullshit trying to appear protown and basically his posts are this:
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obviously no mafia would say THIS much "pro-town" stuff that everyone already knows amirite ;o????
i'm not buying it. you did this same thing in pokemafia which i hosted Stomping on my attempts to help newer players. Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 11:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
so many words gmarshal
so many words Stomping on Gmarshal's attempt at running for mayor. Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 13:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 10 2011 13:31 tnkted wrote:
Yeah we better make this clear:
when you vote, vote in both threads. that way we can see who voted for what.
not voting in this thread will be considered a scumtell, so be careful. no its not a scumtell ill vote in the vote thread im not gonna waste my time posting all my votes in here especially since i tend to switch votes a lot this is dumb. there will be a dedicated vote thread. if you want to know who votes for who, you can read that thread. less clutter here = better Stomping on Tnkted's EXTREMELY PRO TOWN IDEA. All of this is EXTREMELY ANTI-TOWN no matter how you look at it. Everything he is doing is clearly designed to snuff out new people so that we have tons of inactive players. Doc H is a good mafia player, and there's no way that this is not being done on purpose. Doc H is mafia, and he's doing a damn good job of both spamming the thread to pieces, shutting down pro-town ideas, and intimidating new players. These are just a few examples of how he is destroying a pro-town environment in the thread. I think that everyone has seen this for themselves though. He has almost 100 posts and it's not even half way through day 1! He has contradicted himself multiple times with his mayoral campaign (I'm not going to run --> Mayor is unimportant, and i wish it weren't here --> I can't trust ya'll, I'm going to run). The reason why he singled me out so early was because I am dedicated to doing exactly the oposite of what he is trying to do. I will not get sucked into an argument with him that will spam the thread. I will not stop posting good advice for newer players. I know it looks scummy. I don't care. It will help newer people, and that's worth it. If I can mobilize the the masses before i die, i die a happy death. I refuse to stand by while he destroies the learning environment I am trying to build up. DoctorHelvetica is SCUM
This comes early Day 1. Notice how bold and confident it is. Was he wrong? Yes. Honestly, his case is made off of very little information and many assumptions. But that didn't stop him. After his first accusation post he keeps pushing. Even after this, he keeps mentioning his thoughts. All throughout the day he points out scum. Not "gathering information", but real accusations. He accuses at least 5 people throughout day 1. Even when DH says he will consider lynching him, Kav remains aggressive, maintains his focus on DH, and dares DH to lynch him. That is aggressive, risky play. Now look at this game. Kavdragon suddenly retracts into his hole, is "afraid" of good players, and needs to poke for information. He doesn't follow a coherent train of thought, and his defense isn't anywhere near convincing either. He doesn't strongly accuse anyone of anything, and his defense shows that he cares a lot. Overall, strong case for red.
##Vote Kavdragon
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