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[WCS EU] Finals Day 2 Premier Season 1 2013 - Page 347

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Bizeheryer
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany307 Posts
May 26 2013 21:04 GMT
#6921
Play of the tournament:

freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
May 26 2013 21:04 GMT
#6922
On May 27 2013 06:03 Antylamon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:02 GunSec wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:59 Sent. wrote:
No show today?


LOL you are just a little bit late, you just woke up?

I feel so bad for him



Oh well, VOD time for him



I think he means xtra time the after show with all the casters players and crowd just chilling and recapping
Always give without remembering & always receive without forgetting.
iyasq8
Profile Joined December 2012
113 Posts
May 26 2013 21:04 GMT
#6923
i dnt see any issues with WCS EU. The real problem is in WCS AM...
Piece
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 21:22:30
May 26 2013 21:04 GMT
#6924
On May 27 2013 05:54 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:53 Bagration wrote:
This ongoing debate is basically the SC2 version of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade_debate

Free trade vs Protectionism

Feel free to peruse the article for arguments


Great analogy.


Nothing like it.

I'm generally getting really pissed that people actually defend this farce. The world cup in football don't only got German,Spanish,Brazilian and Argentinian teams do they? We actually got countries in Africa representing Africa

And that's why football is the biggest sport in the world

Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport. Even though you are such a low minority but very loud
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
May 26 2013 21:05 GMT
#6925
On May 27 2013 06:02 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:00 Ventris wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:59 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:55 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD....

So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe?

It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe.


Uh, no, it isn't.


It isn't played in Europe?

Please continue, you are most entertaining to read together with that Benjamin guy

Yeah, i could have sworn Cologne was in Europe. Must be something with my eyes.


Woosh. My statement was made concerning the title of WCS EU. It is called the European championship because it's supposed to be the champion of European players. No one cares where the people are when they play- look at WCS AM, the first rounds were played online with people literally playing from Korea.

Actually its not called "European Championship". And the first round was only played online because Blizzard rushed the start.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
May 26 2013 21:05 GMT
#6926
On May 27 2013 06:04 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:02 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:00 Ventris wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:59 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:55 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD....

So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe?

It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe.


Uh, no, it isn't.


It isn't played in Europe?

Please continue, you are most entertaining to read together with that Benjamin guy

Yeah, i could have sworn Cologne was in Europe. Must be something with my eyes.


Woosh. My statement was made concerning the title of WCS EU. It is called the European championship because it's supposed to be the champion of European players. No one cares where the people are when they play- look at WCS AM, the first rounds were played online with people literally playing from Korea.

You make statements like they are facts yet considering the rules Blizzard disagrees with you.


The entire region declaration system was a complete mess, or have you forgotten?
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Reptilia
Profile Joined June 2010
Chile913 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 21:05:48
May 26 2013 21:05 GMT
#6927
i think the purpose of WCS is to gather the best players from every region to give everyone a chance for participating.
If the best player from Europe is of Korean nationality, then so be it, theres is nothing wrong with that
The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
May 26 2013 21:05 GMT
#6928
On May 27 2013 06:00 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:58 farnham wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:53 Bagration wrote:
This ongoing debate is basically the SC2 version of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade_debate

Free trade vs Protectionism

Feel free to peruse the article for arguments
this is not about trade of goods. its about the qualification of a person to participate in an event. people suggesting that certain people should not be allowed to participate due to them being born in a certain country are basically being racists.


Holy shit, I'm amazed that you managed to post that without drowning in your cereal. This post shows a shocking level of ignorance.

It's a *regional* tournament. Only people that *live in the fucking region* should be able to participate. Or should Lebron James be allowed to play in the European basketball championships?


I'm sure he can play if he got registered in time.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Srontgorrth
Profile Joined August 2012
United States204 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 21:06:02
May 26 2013 21:05 GMT
#6929
haha that forGG widow mine backfire is a moment where having player cams is really awesome. seeing their reactions to it is pretty hilarious
"i think that message boards were created so that shy people could be assholes"
eronica
Profile Joined October 2012
175 Posts
May 26 2013 21:05 GMT
#6930
When Stephano won NASL (NORTH AMERICAN star league) nobody said anything. Don't lie to yourself, it's about korean and foreigner. The country/region debate is just an excuse.
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 21:06:10
May 26 2013 21:06 GMT
#6931
On May 27 2013 06:04 Bizeheryer wrote:
Play of the tournament:
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpfeqv5YqsY&feature=youtu.be

Thanks for the upload :D
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
May 26 2013 21:06 GMT
#6932
On May 27 2013 06:00 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:56 bluQ wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:55 Reptilia wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:50 Fischbacher wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:50 eronica wrote:
People complaining WCS EU having korean, when the purpose of not having region locked just means that WCS EU is not about nationality but just 1 of the 3 way of going into WCS WORLD....

So why do they call the guy that won WCS Europe the European champion if it wasn't meant to find the best player(s) from Europe?

It is called Europe, because it is played in Europe.

Okay so lets just make a tounry in Korea, only invite foreigners and call the winner "Champion of Korea".
On May 27 2013 05:56 Ventris wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:53 bluQ wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:52 Assirra wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:48 Zarahtra wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:44 levelping wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:40 Crownlol wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:38 JJH777 wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:37 Crownlol wrote:
[quote]

They were watching because a European was playing in the finals...


Flash vs Life at MLG beat this in viewers. Why were they watching? Also Dimaga vs Stephano would not have gotten 120k.


How is that even remotely analogous? MLG wasn't a regional tourney- and that tournament was Flash vs. Life, the best BW pro vs the best SC2 pro, an epic clash of the titans. Sick games too.

I'm not hating on MVP, but a regional tournament needs to be region locked.


Well you know what's going to happen with region locks right... every region outside of korea will immediately become irrelevant, because you may get 5 europeans representing europe but they are going to get butchered in the world finals. Allowing people to play wherever makes the thing competitive.

Not really though. If the money that goes into esports in the west is all sucked up to the east, there is a lot less incentitive to actually get infrastructure up in the west to develop talent. I personally don't think they should region lock it by nationality, but rather by what scene you contribute most to. Fx. Polt contributes pretty much exclusively to AM now, so I feel it makes sense he's locked to AM. Same with ForGG for EU, he's only playing in EU right?

That means for the AM and EU money, these players need to actually be contributing to those regions and with that raising the skill level of those regions.

And if you do hardcore region locking nobody will care when you win a european/american tournament since they know there are a 100 koreans you won't even touch. This is exactly what happened with BW.

Then don't fucking call it WCS EUROPE...
I would even go so far and call it false marketing by Blizzard ...

Why. The name says the tournament is part of Blizzards WCS and played out in Europe. And the tournament is exactly what it says on the tin.

It is the tournament to crown the european champion, which guess what, is not european. Read my post about my CL analogy if you can't follow me.


24 out of 32 in EU were invites, only 3 of them were Korean. 2 Koreans got top 4. It's not their fault that EU players aren't very good. GSL gave countless seeds to foreigners over the years.

Countless? I would bet I would find a pretty exact number on TLPD, if you want to smartass Mister.
So get back on the ground and re-read what I put out there. You were missing 100% my point.
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9252 Posts
May 26 2013 21:06 GMT
#6933
On May 27 2013 06:04 freerolll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:03 Antylamon wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:02 GunSec wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:59 Sent. wrote:
No show today?


LOL you are just a little bit late, you just woke up?

I feel so bad for him



Oh well, VOD time for him



I think he means xtra time the after show with all the casters players and crowd just chilling and recapping


Yeah I meant extra stuff after games.
You're now breathing manually
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
May 26 2013 21:06 GMT
#6934
On May 27 2013 03:11 Benjamin99 wrote:
Thanks!!!

Stephano legend!!

Sorry MVP and fans Stephano is going to crush you dreams

" Yes Korea go back home"


Now about that......stephano go home!! MVP baby!
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
May 26 2013 21:06 GMT
#6935
On May 27 2013 06:00 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 05:58 farnham wrote:
On May 27 2013 05:53 Bagration wrote:
This ongoing debate is basically the SC2 version of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade_debate

Free trade vs Protectionism

Feel free to peruse the article for arguments
this is not about trade of goods. its about the qualification of a person to participate in an event. people suggesting that certain people should not be allowed to participate due to them being born in a certain country are basically being racists.


Holy shit, I'm amazed that you managed to post that without drowning in your cereal. This post shows a shocking level of ignorance.

It's a *regional* tournament. Only people that *live in the fucking region* should be able to participate. Or should Lebron James be allowed to play in the European basketball championships?

He would be allowed to play in the EU leagues, like all the Americans who already do. Maybe you should look at this like the leagues and not the EU championship then.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
May 26 2013 21:06 GMT
#6936
MVP MVP MVP MVP MVP MVP MVP!!!
Gr33d
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany423 Posts
May 26 2013 21:06 GMT
#6937
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM
Fanatics find their heaven in never ending storming wind || Auguries of destruction be a lullaby for rebirth
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
May 26 2013 21:07 GMT
#6938
On May 27 2013 06:04 Bizeheryer wrote:
Play of the tournament:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpfeqv5YqsY&feature=youtu.be

Thanks xD
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
May 26 2013 21:07 GMT
#6939
On May 27 2013 06:05 eronica wrote:
When Stephano won NASL (NORTH AMERICAN star league) nobody said anything. Don't lie to yourself, it's about korean and foreigner. The country/region debate is just an excuse.

Of course, just like nobody is complaining about Snute now, and no one complained when Naniwa won MLG before Koreans started coming to US tournaments.
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
May 26 2013 21:07 GMT
#6940
On May 27 2013 06:06 Gr33d wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 06:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Seriously the The old BW team liquid legacy is like a cancer to the growth of starcraft 2 as a global esport Even though you are such a low minority but very loud



Could not say it better.
If you want to watch koreans winning everything you could still watch:
WCS KR (GSL)
WCS Finals
DH
IEM

What?

I never even played BW and I'm fine with Koreans winning
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