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On August 30 2013 09:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Sold.
##Vote Hopeless1der
lol so I was feeling all good about myself that you liked my post but then I thought what if hapa is scum and just asked me to write about hopeless so he had an excuse to get the wagon rolling. Surely you wouldn't be that devious, right? Surely...
On August 30 2013 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can someone explain to me why Tutankhamon is town?
All i have heard is that he asked me 3 questions and then unvoted me and that makes him seem like a bright guy. I do not see anything in his filter that is even close to scumhunting. I don't see anything in his filter that is even close to giving out a decent scumread. I don't actually see anything in his filter that is giving out decent ANY read.
@rayn
I wouldn't say TK is def town but i think it's definitely more likely than not. Here are a few points from my own filter and marv's filter. I'll let marv or someone answer to the rest of your post because marv seems to be the biggest TK fan in town.
On August 29 2013 09:43 sciberbia wrote:
However, I very much like his response to my prodding. The fact that he deemed his questions to rayn a waste of time and decided to ignore rayn indicates a more townie thought process. Also the fact that he spontaneously changed direction over the course of three minutes is a point in his favor.
On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, I said to remind me to comment on that post of yours after Tutan came back, so anyways. It was about him mentioning Oats at the start of the post and rescinding it at the end of the post. You seemed to be quite suspicious of that but to me it seems like a natural flow of consciousness. I don't see how that can be seen as anything worse than null, and is probably a towntell.
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I still do not find your answers to me reasonable but there is no point asking the questions again because for some reason you are not willing to answer me.
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On August 30 2013 09:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still do not find your answers to me reasonable but there is no point asking the questions again because for some reason you are not willing to answer me.
Well it's a new day, lets try again. Just a heads up, if you keep asking the same questions over and over without reading my responses, this isn't going to work.
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On August 30 2013 09:50 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 09:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still do not find your answers to me reasonable but there is no point asking the questions again because for some reason you are not willing to answer me. Well it's a new day, lets try again. Just a heads up, if you keep asking the same questions over and over without reading my responses, this isn't going to work.
Your responses make zero sense because they do not even answer the questions i am asking, so i will not try again.
I'll go to sleep now and we'll see tomorrow, maybe i'll make a case when i have clear head and reread everything.
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I'm making a big pretty big effort to try and be civil, you know how tit for tat works don't you?
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I can give you an example:
Me: "Why do you post before reading the whole thread"
You: "I started my post before reading the thread, then read a filter and added something in my post"
wtf? That's not an answer to "why", that is telling what you did.
The rest of this can be found in my filter.
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On August 30 2013 09:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can give you an example:
Me: "Why do you post before reading the whole thread"
You: "I started my post before reading the thread, then read a filter and added something in my post"
wtf? That's not an answer to "why", that is telling what you did.
The rest of this can be found in my filter.
Why does that need explaining? Does me doing that make it hard for you to know my reads? No. Does it push any mafia objective? No. So it's just a playstyle choice. I can't explain that any more than I can explain why I had donuts for breakfast, it's just how things played out.
And by the way, this is about that Oats thing right? Something you completely missed in my earlier response was that I HAD read the entire thread when I made that post. I changed my mind about Oats on a reread of his filter, which is something I said a long time ago. So you're entire accusation is based on a misunderstanding which I why I stopped responding to you earlier.
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Well that was an enlightening back and forth.....
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On August 30 2013 05:38 debears wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Sylencia
Where you been dude?
As big as our spiders and snakes are, Australians do have to sleep too 
On August 30 2013 07:25 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 07:23 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 30 2013 07:20 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 07:19 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 30 2013 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa wanna lynch Sylencia? No. I already said earlier that his posts seem innocent enough. What posts in particular seem "innocent?" Also, what do you make of the contradiction I pointed out in his filter? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387¤tpage=27#522 Are we attacking people for dropping contradictions? Yeah it's odd, but not much more than that. It's not even the most glaring of contradictions. Contradictions aren't always scummy, but I think this one is. I really can't map out a town thought-process in what he did. It seems like he forgot he defended Sn0, then attacked him instead when pressed for reads.
Not really, I was more swayed by further reasoning after reading filters and putting some more serious thought into it.
I explained it before, and I'll explain it again:
- Scrib asks for opinions on his initial reads
- I haven't looked into sn0 that hard, so I take a quick look at his filter. Doesn't look too bad. Say that, move on.
Later on, we've got the part where I'm reading other filters.
Hopeless mentions sn0 was saying stuff to prove he was "actively reading". He never said sn0 was scum, but I go and check sn0's filter again and actually properly analysing it gave me the feeling of "Hey guys, I've read everything in the past 5 hours, but I've got nothing to say except I'm happy with my vote on scrib. JK, unvote."
Pretty sure I've explained this already.
@Hapa Would you actually prefer it if I played to my meta rather than trying to be more active? There's something called trying to improve, my day 1s are still horrible than ever but I've actually tried to do something useful for us this game and it's not allowed for meta reasons
Updated reads incoming in like 5-6 hours when I get back because catching up took my entire lunch break
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On August 30 2013 05:34 Hapahauli wrote:@ OneguShow nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:22 Onegu wrote:On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:
I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them.
First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.
What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note.
Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.
If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later. I actually agree with this post alot, and it gives me heavy town read from yamato, as I have only played with him being mafia and he had zero posts like this. I dont know thier meta as well as alot of people, but I do like how hapa called me out with reasons, while marv just said I would be the second person he would lynch because he doesnt know where I am going. Can you explain your heavy-town read on Yamato? What do you mean by "zero posts like this?" You seemed to have the opposite reaction to that post compared to most other people in the thread. Also, you seem to be suspicious of marv - can you give more concrete/clear reasons?
Just woke up and catching up now, ok I have just finished 2 games with yamato back to back with him as scum both games, he was disintrested and had no posts with reads or motivation to them, this post gave me that feeling.
Also I do agree with him we should figure you two out, by reputation you two are the strongest players in the game, if one or both of you are scum I think you will carry the scum team.
Marv hasnt really followed up on many of his reads, Im his second lynch choice because he doesnt know where I am going then that is it, no follow up. Im not completely caught up yet though still reading.
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Hey Syl, have you ever been to Australia Zoo? The one owned by the Irwins?
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Nope, wrong state I plan to someday though ;o
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@Hapa
Based on your posts, I got these reads from you
yam - town
marv -town
scribs - town
raynp - town
onegu - slight town?
me - null?
tutan - ?
syl - ?
hopeless- scum
that right?
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Ok, here's what I see on hopeless. First, he starts off with a scum read on TK from withdrawing the early vote on raynp/
Next, he states this as the reason
On August 30 2013 02:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
rayn...i just DO NOT understand how you come to a scum read on me. My words on Sno were pure hypothetical "why would you ever do that as scum?"
I'm still harping on TK because, like you, I think he's scum and also that he is misrepresenting my reasons for voting him.
His whole deal with the early policy vote stuff was weird, but you can say that he was just trying to get something going. I'd say it could be motivated either way.
As far as remembering my last game with hopeless (Mario mini), hopeless was also lurker who was offensive with those accusing him (which is similar to this game). However, he pulled more OMGUS against me (we were both town) when I kept going on him. That is quite a bit different than this game, despite all the people on him.
This post also rubs me the wrong way
On August 30 2013 07:04 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 06:57 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Hopeless + TK
Where'd you both run off to? Painting my room =\ K question for TK then. Why did you say only one of Yamato/me would be scum? Show nested quote +On Augusta 29 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
Bout to head out for a few hours. For now all that really bothers me is hopeless, yamato, and oats in that specific order. Everything else seems fairly harmless and I'm not seeing much scumminess in the rayn/scib/whoever debate. I'm worried about yamato because what he's posted so far could very easily be mafia taking a dump in the thread and throwing bad looks at people who smell his shit. There's nothing I can pinpoint in Hopeless' filter, but a few of his posts have given me weird vibes. I guess I'm not convinced that he really thinks I or anyone else could be mafia. I just now looked at Oat's filter and I was unable to see what I thought I saw earlier, so scratch him from my list.
My guess at who's mafia is 1 out of, but probably not both hopeless/yamato, and the rest are people that haven't posted. Surely you have more than they're weird/shitting on the thread? More recent scumreads perhaps? You never actually stated your own preference when asking Hapa about debears:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 05:29 Tutankoopa wrote:
You're obviously the worst person to ask this but would you have still unvoted debears about now had I not asked you that question? What are your thoughts on debears atm? Also, sorry I'm not as forthcoming with my own thoughts at the moment save for my tunnel. I'll reread in a couple hours and go from there.
That bolded part makes me think Hopeless isn't reading the thread very well. That post by TK was illustrating to me that he thought the post quoted made me look more town. I would think a town hopeless would notice that, although it could just be heavy tunnel vision.
While I can see the reasoning for a scum hopeless, I still see enough town tendencies from last time I played with him (insulting, tunnel) to where I would need to see more to vote him. We'll see what the next 12 hours bring
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@ Scib
On August 30 2013 09:47 sciberbia wrote:lol so I was feeling all good about myself that you liked my post but then I thought what if hapa is scum and just asked me to write about hopeless so he had an excuse to get the wagon rolling. Surely you wouldn't be that devious, right? Surely...
You give my scum-game a lot of credit that it doesn't deserve =P
@ Syl
On August 30 2013 12:20 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 05:38 debears wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Sylencia
Where you been dude? As big as our spiders and snakes are, Australians do have to sleep too Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 07:25 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 07:23 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 30 2013 07:20 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 07:19 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 30 2013 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa wanna lynch Sylencia? No. I already said earlier that his posts seem innocent enough. What posts in particular seem "innocent?" Also, what do you make of the contradiction I pointed out in his filter? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387¤tpage=27#522 Are we attacking people for dropping contradictions? Yeah it's odd, but not much more than that. It's not even the most glaring of contradictions. Contradictions aren't always scummy, but I think this one is. I really can't map out a town thought-process in what he did. It seems like he forgot he defended Sn0, then attacked him instead when pressed for reads. Not really, I was more swayed by further reasoning after reading filters and putting some more serious thought into it. I explained it before, and I'll explain it again: - Scrib asks for opinions on his initial reads - I haven't looked into sn0 that hard, so I take a quick look at his filter. Doesn't look too bad. Say that, move on. Later on, we've got the part where I'm reading other filters. Hopeless mentions sn0 was saying stuff to prove he was "actively reading". He never said sn0 was scum, but I go and check sn0's filter again and actually properly analysing it gave me the feeling of "Hey guys, I've read everything in the past 5 hours, but I've got nothing to say except I'm happy with my vote on scrib. JK, unvote." Pretty sure I've explained this already.
Okay that's reasonable.
@Hapa Would you actually prefer it if I played to my meta rather than trying to be more active? There's something called trying to improve, my day 1s are still horrible than ever but I've actually tried to do something useful for us this game and it's not allowed for meta reasons Updated reads incoming in like 5-6 hours when I get back because catching up took my entire lunch break
If you're being truthful about trying to improve, that's a great thing and I encourage you to do that. That being said, while you are a bit more active than I've previously seen you play, you also aren't very clear about your analysis and reads this game.
For example, in the "contradiction" discussed above, you posted two things that seem disparate/nonsensical together because there was a giant, unexplained (at the time) gap in your thought process and approach to scum-hunting.
Anyway, I really shouldn't lecture - I'm more interested in what reads you come up with.
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On August 30 2013 12:56 debears wrote:
@Hapa
Based on your posts, I got these reads from you
yam - town
marv -town
scribs - town
raynp - town
onegu - slight town?
me - null?
tutan - ?
syl - ?
hopeless- scum
that right?
Correct except for the following:
Onegu - closer to null. Gut town read, but that really doesn't mean much.
Debears - slight town
Tutan - slight town
Syl - Null
So uhhh... yeah... too many slight town reads. But I'm not too fearful of that at this stage, since I generally filter the weaker town-reads out over time.
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What do you guys think of Oats? Maybe it's partly because he did the vast majority of his posting while I was sleeping, but he seems very 'under the radar' to me. I have no good reasons to think he's town, and a few parts of his filter make me raise my eyebrows:
-- insistence that TK is scum based solely on his opening rayn vote and posting some wishy wash reads. This just seems like a very easy case for Oats to make and could be easily fabricated. I don't see any spark of analytical insight, which I think I'm correct in expecting from a town Oats.
+ Show Spoiler [oats insisting] +On August 29 2013 08:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
tutankoopa scum
## vote tuntankoopa On August 29 2013 08:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
not gonna post for the next 10+ hours, have fun guys.
lynch tuntokoppa dude. On August 29 2013 18:48 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 18:44 marvellosity wrote:On August 29 2013 18:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 29 2013 18:42 marvellosity wrote:
He sounds like I often sound on day 1, especially at the beginning
anyway i'm not gonna defend the dude for him, but i'm not really interested in talking about him either DID YOU EVEN READ HIS FILTER???? what the fuck is wrong with you? He doesnt sound like you sound unless you sound like totally uncommital, talking about useless shit and posting the most wishy washy post ever and generally playing like super scum. Im am completely confused at your insistence that he is totally town. On August 29 2013 18:41 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
Bout to head out for a few hours. For now all that really bothers me is hopeless, yamato, and oats in that specific order. Everything else seems fairly harmless and I'm not seeing much scumminess in the rayn/scib/whoever debate. I'm worried about yamato because what he's posted so far could very easily be mafia taking a dump in the thread and throwing bad looks at people who smell his shit. There's nothing I can pinpoint in Hopeless' filter, but a few of his posts have given me weird vibes. I guess I'm not convinced that he really thinks I or anyone else could be mafia. I just now looked at Oat's filter and I was unable to see what I thought I saw earlier, so scratch him from my list.
My guess at who's mafia is 1 out of, but probably not both hopeless/yamato, and the rest are people that haven't posted. Like this post just wiggles all around the place and he takes no hard stances throughtout the game so far. On August 29 2013 19:01 Oatsmaster wrote:I exaggerate a ton man, do you not know that? Yeah tuntokon doesnt seem bad at mafia, so why is he doing all these bad things? Thats kinda why I think he's scum.
-- speaking of easy criticisms, he repeatedly criticizes rayn, which would be fine if he ever went somewhere with it, but he doesn't, and in fact outright says he doesn't think rayn is scum, so why all the criticisms? To try to make rayn look bad? Why?
+ Show Spoiler [criticisms] +On August 29 2013 08:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
you voted for him after his single post.
What the fuck rayn. On August 29 2013 08:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have no fucking idea why you would vote for someone then 5 minutes later say that they are town.
NO CLUE.
Also that post doesnt make him scum or town. Remember Titanic? On August 29 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thats a horrible way to find a day 1 lynch Rayn.
Marv wanna lynch Rayn? On August 29 2013 21:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its the attitude rayn. you dont understand, its fine. On August 29 2013 21:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 29 2013 21:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its the attitude rayn. you dont understand, its fine. Could you be more specific because i really do not understand? Picking a day 1 lynch by process of elimination is horrible. On August 29 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 22:54 marvellosity wrote:On August 29 2013 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 29 2013 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats can you make a case on me if you think i am scum? I would really like your thought process gathered together in a well-construced post. nah. By "nah" do you mean "i can't really think of a good reason he's scum, but i thought i'd say shit for no reason anyway" ? shit like I think PoE is a horrible method for lynch day 1? By "nah" I mean, I dont think rayn is scum. On August 29 2013 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey rayn, why did you vote for sno? I still dont get it.
I will be very interested to see where he goes next since it seems he has been sleeping/busy since this game really got rolling, but for now he is another one I'm leaning scum on.
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Oats is definetly more under the radar than I'm used to seeing from his town game.
I don't know whether that's because of sleep schedules or something more malicious. That being said, I'd expect to have a clearer picture of his allignment after his posting tonight.
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Hapa is there anything you want to talk about? I'll be on until meds wear out.
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