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On October 25 2009 05:41 Vivi57 wrote:
Someone explain to me why we shouldn't post the bg names publicly.
2 mafia: massive protection for pyrr and ace
1 green 1 mafia: still very strong protection because they'd be sacrificing one of their own for ace and pyrr
2 green: this puts the mafia in a hard spot unless one of them is a vet. They'll have to decide whether they want to waste a nights worth of hits just for the possibilty they can kill ace and pyrr the next day. It'll make the medic mindgame harder for sure, but historically, medics have missed every night anyway.
...wow
If any of the BGs are green neither me or Pyrr can be killed, hence why it's all or nothing
Medics have saved players plenty of times from being hit
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On October 25 2009 05:36 Ace wrote:
Inf I think you've almost go it all.
For one thing we know is certain - both myself and Pyrr can't be mafia. I wouldn't have even brought this scenario up if that was the case.
We also know the if the Mafia do sub bodyguards it HAS to be BOTH and not just one. They have to try and kill one or both of us asap. They can't wait because if the bodyguard info is passed or they can't kill since one BG would be green they'd be fucked because they subbed for no gain. Remember this: BOTH have to be the same color.
We need the 3rd player to be PUBLICLY notified. By this I mean Pyrr PMs the player the BG info, and the player PUBLICLY says he got it. This way the DTs immediately role check that guy so if the Mafia kills him we've got some information. The medics prot me or Pyrr in the case that the Mafia subbed both in.
Now look at it from that point of view. We cover ALL bases and if the Mafia kill the 3rd party our DTs got some info. They can't kill both myself and Pyrr. We move on to Day 2 with info, no lynched innocents, and now we'd have the ability to skip the Vet plan and the DTs possibly 1/3rd of the way to their sanity.
Remember they had to have subbed in before Night 1 is over and this is why I'm rushing it. If we can get everyone on the same page this game will literally be over in no time. Ask yourselves have I ever been wrong? exactly.
Ok i think i see where you're coming from. We have to play it safe and notify the 3rd party. If we don't we run the risk of losing our 'leaders' and the town being left in the dark. It's basically a cost/benefit analysis: if both bg's are green and we notify a third party, there is a low chance of the negative happening, i.e., the 3rd party is red. If both bg's are red and we don't notify a 3rd party, there is a high chance that Ace and/or Pyrr die (why else would mafia sub both bg's?)
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That said, since there has been no veteran claim yet, I think it's safe to say that there is either no veteran or that motbob is the veteran. Thus, the move rests on Pyrr for now;
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On October 25 2009 05:58 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
That said, since there has been no veteran claim yet, I think it's safe to say that there is either no veteran or that motbob is the veteran. Thus, the move rests on Pyrr for now;
Maybe even possibly HoE being the veteran?
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yes yes yes! You're finally getting it ^_^
all aboard the raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaape train!
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On October 25 2009 05:59 Tricode wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2009 05:58 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
That said, since there has been no veteran claim yet, I think it's safe to say that there is either no veteran or that motbob is the veteran. Thus, the move rests on Pyrr for now; Maybe even possibly HoE being the veteran?
Yeah forgot about him. As I said, effectively no veteran 
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We are going to day in 4 hours (assuming Ver shows up). If you have a night action, send it in soon.
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On October 25 2009 06:03 Qatol wrote:
We are going to day in 4 hours (assuming Ver shows up). If you have a night action, send it in soon.
Translates to: Pyrr hurry up
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On October 25 2009 05:47 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2009 05:41 Vivi57 wrote:
Someone explain to me why we shouldn't post the bg names publicly.
2 mafia: massive protection for pyrr and ace
1 green 1 mafia: still very strong protection because they'd be sacrificing one of their own for ace and pyrr
2 green: this puts the mafia in a hard spot unless one of them is a vet. They'll have to decide whether they want to waste a nights worth of hits just for the possibilty they can kill ace and pyrr the next day. It'll make the medic mindgame harder for sure, but historically, medics have missed every night anyway. ...wow If any of the BGs are green neither me or Pyrr can be killed, hence why it's all or nothing Medics have saved players plenty of times from being hit
Unless one of you are mafia. Again, that's important. If you're mafia, this is a fantastic play for you; looks town positive, gives you the power to knock off pyrr and aids your bluesnipe.
I still don't see why the threat of a second party knowing the BG identities/medic protection isn't enough in and of itself to prevent mafia from going balls in tonight. Seems you're dead set on believing mafia would trade half of their killing power to kill you, which I just don't believe warrants all of the risks this brings in.
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Subbing in only one BG makes no sense as they can't kill either of us until they kill the legit BG. Why would Mafia want to waste time?
It's not half their killing power if no one finds out who did it and that's what I'm trying to convey. They switch both BGs, kill myself and Pyrr and no one knows who did it. We'd lose Mayor and Pardoner with no leads. Thats what I'm trying to avoid. I'm asking for medic protection because the possibility of it happening is very high.
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Apparently Ver is busy today, so if you have a night action and haven't submitted it yet, please send it to me
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Pyrr stop stalling. Send the BG names to myself and someone who has been posting a lot in the thread.
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On October 25 2009 06:59 Ace wrote:
Subbing in only one BG makes no sense as they can't kill either of us until they kill the legit BG. Why would Mafia want to waste time?
It's not half their killing power if no one finds out who did it and that's what I'm trying to convey. They switch both BGs, kill myself and Pyrr and no one knows who did it. We'd lose Mayor and Pardoner with no leads. Thats what I'm trying to avoid. I'm asking for medic protection because the possibility of it happening is very high.
1) why would they need to hurry up
2) why would no one know if pyrr discloses to a non-you person?
I mean, I know its hard to read my posts because they have more than six letters in them, but I've gone over all of this shit before. But you know that, don't you buttercup.
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On October 25 2009 07:07 Ace wrote:
Pyrr stop stalling. Send the BG names to myself and someone who has been posting a lot in the thread.
Doesn't have to be you... can be 2 people he suspects aren't mafia, if you're that concerned about both pyrr and the guy getting killed. However, the mafia most likely doesnt even have the time to send in a new hitlist with all this delaying.
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On October 25 2009 07:10 L wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2009 06:59 Ace wrote:
Subbing in only one BG makes no sense as they can't kill either of us until they kill the legit BG. Why would Mafia want to waste time?
It's not half their killing power if no one finds out who did it and that's what I'm trying to convey. They switch both BGs, kill myself and Pyrr and no one knows who did it. We'd lose Mayor and Pardoner with no leads. Thats what I'm trying to avoid. I'm asking for medic protection because the possibility of it happening is very high. 1) why would they need to hurry up 2) why would no one know if pyrr discloses to a non-you person? I mean, I know its hard to read my posts because they have more than six letters in them, but I've gone over all of this shit before. But you know that, don't you buttercup.
Yeah I think mafia subbing 1 bg and slow rolling is a definite possibility as it is safer for their KP, at the cost of 1 more day to kill mayor/pardoner. 1 bg dies, we can kill the other one who is red. And they'd be killing other people during that day anyway. I don't think it has to be all or nothing.
Pyrr still needs to notify 3rd parties anyway. The risk is too great if he doesn't.
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1 hour remains. I still do not have all of the night actions. If you haven't sent yours in to me, please do so.
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Day 2
[no clue area]
Foolishness was sitting in the cemetery, quietly praying at the graves of Ver and Qatol after a long day of raving. As he was looking around the graveyard, he saw by chance the fenced off graves of Liquidia War Veterans. Incensed at the unfair segregation, he ran off in a rage to complain to the grave digger. Unfortunately, in his anger Foolishness did not notice an eager Mafioso pushing over Ver’s tombstone, which promptly fell on top of him, slowly crushing Foolishness to death.
At the Liquidia docks, Caller was at the end of his rope. A sinister necromancer had apparently stolen Qatol’s body from the Liquidia graveyard, revived it, and set it lose on the town whereupon it discovered poor Caller. Caller had tried to stab it with his trusty rake, but the rake got stuck in Qatol’s body. When Qatol continued to try to eat his brains, Caller was forced to flee. Caller ran onto the SS Liquidia but lost sight of Qatol while running onboard. While looking for a place to hide, he heard a noise behind him. Caller quickly spun around and started backing up, only to discover that his ass hurt like crazy. He looked down and realized that his rake had been shoved up his ass. Qatol then pushed Caller off the Liquidia, shouting “For LTT!” His body was not recovered until the morning.
Time to lynch someone! Cast your votes for lynch and double lynch in this thread. A vote count will be done tomorrow and the day after before moving to night at 10:00 TL time
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And nothing of value was lost.
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Still sticking to this list with small modifications:
1. Dreamflower
2. Foolishness
3. Ace <-- He admitted this, but how true is it?
4. vx70GTOJudgexv
5. RebirthofLegend
6. Bloodyc0bbler
7. Incognito
8. Amber[Light]
9. Pyrrhuloxia <-- becoming suspiciously more red.. in Chez's terms, he's brown
10. L
11. Tricode
12. Vivi57 <-- We all know he's red now.
13. Infundibulum
14. Sugiuramidori <-- not red
15. Scamp
16. Shikyo <--10% red
17. Caller
18. Motbob <-- mostly based on what others have pointed out as a probability
19. Redtooth <-- not blue
20. Heavonearth <-- not red
21. Chezinu
Something that surely must be seen
we don't know if HeavonEarth is green
motbob is still alive!
mafia will thrive
we need the town to be more keen
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Please take not that we
have not seen a post from scamp
since page twenty five
nor have we seen any
nor word or note from incog
since twenty seven
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