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Mattchew
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On May 17 2012 10:56 Mattchew wrote: Fuck you qatol No. Don't post like this | ||
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Mattchew
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risk.nuke
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On May 17 2012 10:27 Qatol wrote: I would like to point out that this in no way confirms Mattchew. The main reason for this is because the Copy Cat just got the CPR Doctor role. If you got the role, claim it and don't use it. If nobody claims the role, I'm going to have to assume it went to an anti-town player. Why would you kill one of your own just so the copycat can get the same role? Makes no sense. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 17 2012 11:03 risk.nuke wrote: Lol this confirms Mattchew. Qatol you can't seriously believe anything else. No it doesn't. I would be willing to consider him as confirmed if he hadn't shot the guy with the role we were most trying to deny before the copycat is assigned. Day vigging the CPR Doctor before the day 1 lynch is an incredibly anti-town act. I still think it is possible that the mafia got CPR, Day Vigi, and Copy Cat and now there is a hidden CPR doctor on the loose. And besides, how does this do anything for confirming him not to be SK? The SK needs the game to go by quickly just as badly as the mafia do, if not more badly. A CPR slipping into unknown hands can potentially further that goal. It isn't like I'm advocating that we lynch Mattchew right now. I still think PaqMan is the best lynch target by far. I'm just saying that we shouldn't consider Mattchew as 100% townie after this. This shot does not place Mattchew above all suspicion for the remainder of the game. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 17 2012 11:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Why would you kill one of your own just so the copycat can get the same role? Makes no sense. I can see a decent train of thought to allow such an action (assuming that the mafia picked CPR, Day Vigi, and Copy Cat). We have been talking throughout the first day about roleblocking the CPR doctor. This way, that isn't going to happen. Plus it puts a mafia member into a position to heavily mislead the town for the rest of the game. | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
We now know what role Mattchew is. I think a real easy way to clear him is if we have a tracker. If we do, we know that he does not have a role ability, so if mafia does shoot, Mattchew would go to the target (I'm pretty sure that's how the mechanics work anyways). And because of this possibility, it makes it unlikely that Mattchew is scum (unless, of course they overlooked it). Anyways, it would be best if we can do this. Thoughts? | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On May 17 2012 11:43 Qatol wrote: I can see a decent train of thought to allow such an action (assuming that the mafia picked CPR, Day Vigi, and Copy Cat). We have been talking throughout the first day about roleblocking the CPR doctor. This way, that isn't going to happen. Plus it puts a mafia member into a position to heavily mislead the town for the rest of the game. this is true. i actually had not considered the copycat in my thought process | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 17 2012 11:48 Misder wrote: lol. dat dayvig shot. I actually had him as town too~ We now know what role Mattchew is. I think a real easy way to clear him is if we have a tracker. If we do, we know that he does not have a role ability, so if mafia does shoot, Mattchew would go to the target (I'm pretty sure that's how the mechanics work anyways). And because of this possibility, it makes it unlikely that Mattchew is scum (unless, of course they overlooked it). Anyways, it would be best if we can do this. Thoughts? Tracker doesn't work like that. The Day Vigilante ability overrides Mattchew's alignment ability. Because the Day Vigilante will never move at night, neither will Mattchew. | ||
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hiro protagonist
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Although that day vig shot was both awesome and hallarious, it should not be the focus of discussion. We are here to hunt scum. but I will put my 2cents in before moving on to that task. On May 17 2012 11:03 risk.nuke wrote: Lol this confirms Mattchew. Qatol you can't seriously believe anything else. No one is 100% confirmed until they flip. The fact that you dont acknowledge the possablity of a planed bus is neglect on your part. un-likely, yes, but not in the realm of impossable. Im putting Mattchew down as likely town in my notes though  first thing first: marvellosity, what was the result of your rng? Qatol, I skimed your post on PacMan, Ill give it my opinon (along with my own reads) when I get back home tonight. | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
Also, I think it is in the town's best interest for whoever got Janitor to say so. This way, we know who the Janitor is, and if there ever becomes a night where bodies are cleaned up, we would instantly know where the mafia is. On the other hand, that person is also almost confirmed town, or at least has to act in the town's best interest anyways. Since copycat is already used, there should be no fear. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On May 17 2012 10:14 Qatol wrote: Let me preface this discussion by stating that we have seen very little arguing between players so far. The number selections being completely random and the discussions about roles have gone almost completely without debate. This is a very pro-town atmosphere and tells me that the mafia are trying to blend into the discussion rather than keep the town from working together. The mafia haven't been working towards encouraging arguments at this point. Therefore, the people we should be looking at first are the ones who are hovering around the edges of the discussion without adding much. As promised, I give you my strong lynch target: PaqMan First, he undergoes a stark change in attitude after the game starts. When the game is still in its setup stages, he's positively giddy about the game starting. However, once the game starts, his posting undergoes a major change. He becomes much more conservative in his posting, to the point where he might be considered apathetic about the game. He spends most of the number selection phase lurking in the background asking a question or two here and there, but not really making much of an attempt to contribute. Where did the pregame excitement go? As I said, I'm not going to contribute if I have nothing to contribute. You yourself were just complaining of spam earlier. When the number selection started, by the time I had logged on and checked the thread, discussion was in full throttle. Plans were already pushed and people's minds already set. Am I honestly getting scolded for asking questions about plans that were discussed and settled on while I was absent? On May 17 2012 10:14 Qatol wrote: Notice this post: 1)The question to ask is "why would he post something like this?" Note that nobody at the time was posting any reservations about the number selection plan at all. So why would he ask this? Because he's trying to make it look like he's involved in the discussion and making useful posts without really advancing the main discussion at all. 2)These posts made part of one of his next posts even more surprising: Then what was that comment earlier? And why have you been asking questions up to this point without giving your opinion on anything? Up to this point, you haven't contributed anything at all! We literally know your opinion on nothing. But you are still highlighting different parts of the plan. 1) "why would he post something like this?" I think the answer's quite obvious here. I was curious about what would be the best thing to do should that scenario occur. Should all three people choose to completely disregard the plans that everyone decided on and someone lower on the list, such as #8 or 9 or 10 or etc, ends up with CPR/Janitor, should they claim it? Am I really getting scolded for thinking ahead? My complete misunderstanding of how PyP works during the start of the game is better explained by the fact that I've never done a pyp. 2) That comment was a question on the plans that were laid out while I was away. And why have you been asking questions up to this point without giving your opinion on anything? + Show Spoiler [my opinions] + On May 15 2012 14:11 PaqMan wrote: If scum obtain the CPR role then it's definitely worth taking out of play, I don't understand how you could argue about that. They already start off with the upper hand and denying them one of the strongest roles in the game is a plus for town. On May 17 2012 09:20 PaqMan wrote: It's possible he's just trying to bait scum into picking janitor so that they end up being vanilla. You have a good point but I really can't imagine scum waiting until after the draft order is posted then purposely act against a plan that was agreed upon by everyone. Throw in the fact that he's making a huge deal about it as well. He could have just as easily not told us his intentions. On May 16 2012 13:21 PaqMan wrote: Yepp, I don't understand that. Some discussion is always better than complete silence. Makes it too easy for scum. That said, my numbers were [2,2]. I didn't give much thought when I was choosing my numbers. I was originally going to do [4,2] but risk declared that as his number and I didn't want to end up at the bottom. Also, lol at deconduo. Assuming that he went through with [1,1] I'm surprised no one else picked it. Idk why, I just thought that someone would troll him and pick the same number. Would have been pretty funny. Please tell me that those aren't opinions. I've contributed nothing at all? Well D1 literally just started only a few hours ago. Of course I'm not going to be slapping down cases and FoS's. If you mean contributing to plans, of course I had nothing to contribute. You had quarter-page long posts covering the role plans, so what the hell is left to say besides "I approve!". Believe it or not, but my questions did contribute. Perhaps they were a little idiotic but they kept the discussion from going stagnate and they raised a good point. On May 17 2012 10:14 Qatol wrote: Now let's compare this to another recent game where PaqMan was a townie: Mafia 'Area' LIII He started very similarly, chomping at the bit for the game to start. However, notice his posts once the game started: There is a HUGE difference between how he acts here. He's comfortable asserting his opinion when questioning an idea. Notice that he has done nothing of the sort in this game other than pointing out that posting numbers doesn't hurt the town if done in the context of a larger post. Now look at one more post from Area LIII which draws an even bigger contrast to the posts he has been making in this game: This is a wonderful pro-town post. He points out potential flaws in a plan and suggests an improvement. He hasn't even come CLOSE to doing something like this in the current game even though all we have done so far is talk about plans! He has the ability to do so, he just hasn't. I'm not sure what to say regarding this part of your case because I see no difference between my posting at all. It's already stated above but I'll say it again. My questions did contribute to discussion. I was looking for potential flaws in the plans and I was questioning possible scenarios and what would be the best course of action if said scenarios occurred. On May 17 2012 10:14 Qatol wrote: So, in summary, PaqMan fits the profile we should be looking for as a mafia, we saw a dramatic shift between his pre-game and current posting styles, his posts show that he is scared to give meaningful contribution to the ongoing discussion, he clearly doesn't care about the well-being of the town, and his history tells us that this is completely out of character for him. All of this adds up to Mafia. -not scared, didn't have anything useful to contribute to plans that everyone already agreed on. -I dont care? I lost the first mafia game I've played in over 6 months. My 2nd game is ongoing. And I'm definitely not down to start my 3rd with getting mislynched D1 because a vet pushed me for asking questions. TL;DR I'm town and you're wrong. If those are your only points for thinking I'm scum you need to do better than that. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On May 17 2012 12:47 Mattchew wrote: Hey paqman, do you find qatol's case against you scummy like you did mine in area LIII? Or do you think he's just an off track townie? His strongest arguments is that I'm not contributing and that I'm asking questions but now that I've made my response his case doesn't look strong. I think it looks like he's trying to push a lynch on a weak townie. In fact, probably the biggest effort he put into that case was bringing up my two posts from LIII. What bothers me the most about Qatol is that he's easily become the town leader without any opposition or challenge whatsoever. I don't like it at all and I'm going to step up to that. He definitely warrants an FoS but I wouldn't nail him as scum just yet. On Mattchew: Seeing that decondou was on my list of the Big 3 (dec, Sandroba, Qatol), I approve of Matt's shooting. I would say more but I am extremely tired and really need to sleep. I don't think scum would be ballsy enough to pull that kind of move, so there's a higher chance of him being SK. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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PaqMan
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Goodnight! | ||
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