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You thinking I'm holding back on you? Clearly you haven't been reading my rants and post-without-thinking contributions.
You want information? I'm a pikachu. There I said it. I'm ashamed of it and insecure so I cover it up with my big posts and feigned intelligent banter. I'm going curl up and cry now and wish raichu will hold me tightly and tell me everything's okay in his rough bad boy yet brotherly comforting voice.
Think I'm holding back? Yeh right.
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On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote:
The relative silence of the town bothers me, because it's just what mafia needs to win. The contribution of members named KtheZ, chaoser, deconduo, Insanious, ShoCkeyy, serApH, DCLXVI, Oceanic is virtually nil.
We need to spend our time finding by rooting through the list of semi-lurking voters and figure out which ones we want to kill and/or check. Gabriel's insistence on a zeks vote today is distracting, but the votes on him thus far aren't very well-explained either. LSB and Shockeyy need to explain themselves on this.
I agree that we should be going through the list of semi-lurking voters. And I agree with Amber[Light]'s analysis of Shockey.
First of all, Day 1 analysis was not scumhunting. It was pointing out how people played. Gabriel played aggressively, and zeks and kenpachi played like their usual selves. Unless someone shows me new analysis I'm not going to be supporting a lynch.
As for Voting Gabriel. I found it very strange that Jcarlson and Meapak died. On the other hand, this could be a great way to make Gabriel seem even more suspicious.
Now, I'm going to switch my vote to Shocky.
Shockey, Brocket, and dinmsab are currently the supporters of the Gabriel lynched (Shockey switched off, but it's not that big of an issue). All people who have shyed away from the public eye, and I don't feel comfortable with this.
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On December 15 2010 05:47 LSB wrote:
##unvote
##vote Shockeyy
I find this Hilarius. There's obvious scum voting going on here.
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On December 15 2010 05:38 LSB wrote:
Here is the biggest issue. The mafia should be organized enough to make sure that they all aren't going to be modkilled.
Either that, or they are saving their votes for the end.
zeks. (2)
Gabriel
DCLXVI
Gabriel (3)
Brocket
LSB
dinmsab
Shockeyy(2)
d3_crescentia
Amber[LighT]
seRapH(1)
seRapH
Amber[LighT](1)
ShoCkeyy
It's probably more likely that DoctorH will do a day extension instead of killing 60% of the people in the game...
I won't modkill more than 3-4 players at a time but everyone who doesn't vote will be banned from future games.
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LSB, What analysis did Amber do? He didn't do anything? I just mentioned his name in a post and automatically he pointed me as scum... Or you guys are scum all three of you and just throwing me under the bus knowing I sniffed out scum so early on in the game and trying to get me lynched as soon as possible.
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kitaman27
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On December 15 2010 05:23 DCLXVI wrote:
@amber
I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died.
and I loled at one inactive accusing another.
Based on the day post, I would guess Meapak was the one hit by Mewtwo. Since TR has three kp the first three were probably the scum hits and the Mewtwo hit was the one DrH forgot. That is pure speculation, however. I'm guessing Meapak was targeted for his activity rather than a personal grudge.
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Here's your three posts in the thread
On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 04:35 tree.hugger wrote:On December 11 2010 17:41 tree.hugger wrote:My hunch is that he's not going to be able to commit fully to anything, no matter how much we prod.
On December 12 2010 02:30 Kenpachi wrote:
asdf. even when i post, i get pointed scum On December 12 2010 02:35 Kenpachi wrote:
okay so yea my posts were bad but what can i say? i couldnt offer anything there and there. So i voted Gabriel for blatant bandwagon. Then he reacts and i defend. On December 12 2010 02:27 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote tree.hugger On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? On December 12 2010 04:13 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 04:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? Are you claiming DT or medic? no i am not Word. I suppose we'll get treated to angry defending eventually, as he's in the lead right now, but hey, that might be too committed. Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler +A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of.
Problemic Analysis.
Kenpachi doesn't read the rules. Therefore he is scum.
Kenpachi soft claimed blue. Therefore he is scum
There are two big problems. 1) Not reading the rules doesn't mean you are scum. A lot of people don't read the rules. 2) Kenpachi did not soft claim blue.
The reasons why you voted for Kenpachi do seem kind of jank now.
On December 15 2010 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote:The relative silence of the town bothers me, because it's just what mafia needs to win. The contribution of members named KtheZ, chaoser, deconduo, Insanious, ShoCkeyy, serApH, DCLXVI, Oceanic is virtually nil. We need to spend our time finding by rooting through the list of semi-lurking voters and figure out which ones we want to kill and/or check. Gabriel's insistence on a zeks vote today is distracting, but the votes on him thus far aren't very well-explained either. LSB and Shockeyy need to explain themselves on this. Actually, Shockeyy needs to explain himself, period. He only has ONE post thus far in the thread: + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 04:35 tree.hugger wrote:On December 11 2010 17:41 tree.hugger wrote:My hunch is that he's not going to be able to commit fully to anything, no matter how much we prod.
On December 12 2010 02:30 Kenpachi wrote:
asdf. even when i post, i get pointed scum On December 12 2010 02:35 Kenpachi wrote:
okay so yea my posts were bad but what can i say? i couldnt offer anything there and there. So i voted Gabriel for blatant bandwagon. Then he reacts and i defend. On December 12 2010 02:27 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote tree.hugger On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? On December 12 2010 04:13 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 04:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? Are you claiming DT or medic? no i am not Word. I suppose we'll get treated to angry defending eventually, as he's in the lead right now, but hey, that might be too committed. Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler +A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of. I'll be back in the evening, so don't go anywhere. Well my reasoning on voting for Gabriel was because in the first round he dodged my vote by the way kenpachi was acting, but then seeing jcarl go now and both of them being Gabriels prime targets in the beginning kinda made me switch over to them. Either way, I find it funny that you only target a quite few of us when actually there is A LOT of people missing that are not posting at all. To name some more, Amber[Light], Tube?... Why don't you target them as well? I don't understand why would you just target a select few of us instead of them and then JUST target me right after wards. I've been busy and reading up on what I could and making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to.
making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. Eh?
On December 15 2010 05:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 04:54 Amber[LighT] wrote:On December 15 2010 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote:The relative silence of the town bothers me, because it's just what mafia needs to win. The contribution of members named KtheZ, chaoser, deconduo, Insanious, ShoCkeyy, serApH, DCLXVI, Oceanic is virtually nil. We need to spend our time finding by rooting through the list of semi-lurking voters and figure out which ones we want to kill and/or check. Gabriel's insistence on a zeks vote today is distracting, but the votes on him thus far aren't very well-explained either. LSB and Shockeyy need to explain themselves on this. Actually, Shockeyy needs to explain himself, period. He only has ONE post thus far in the thread: + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 04:35 tree.hugger wrote:On December 11 2010 17:41 tree.hugger wrote:My hunch is that he's not going to be able to commit fully to anything, no matter how much we prod.
On December 12 2010 02:30 Kenpachi wrote:
asdf. even when i post, i get pointed scum On December 12 2010 02:35 Kenpachi wrote:
okay so yea my posts were bad but what can i say? i couldnt offer anything there and there. So i voted Gabriel for blatant bandwagon. Then he reacts and i defend. On December 12 2010 02:27 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote tree.hugger On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? On December 12 2010 04:13 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 04:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? Are you claiming DT or medic? no i am not Word. I suppose we'll get treated to angry defending eventually, as he's in the lead right now, but hey, that might be too committed. Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler +A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of. I'll be back in the evening, so don't go anywhere. Well my reasoning on voting for Gabriel was because in the first round he dodged my vote by the way kenpachi was acting, but then seeing jcarl go now and both of them being Gabriels prime targets in the beginning kinda made me switch over to them. Either way, I find it funny that you only target a quite few of us when actually there is A LOT of people missing that are not posting at all. To name some more, Amber[Light], Tube?... Why don't you target them as well? I don't understand why would you just target a select few of us instead of them and then JUST target me right after wards. I've been busy and reading up on what I could and making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. Lol you're terrible scum. You sit around throwing names around after inactivity to make it look like a contribution. You picked me out because I'm not the most active person in the thread, yet I've been confident with most of my posts. I corrected any mistakes or misinterpretations I originally had. Kenpachi was the right choice. There's nothing more to discuss. I think we're analyzing too much on the night actions. I believe Hesmyrr so I'm going to believe Pandain when he takes his place, if anything. Vote for obvious scum. Vote for ShoCkeyy How am I obvious? I voted for who I saw fit as well. What have I said that makes me so obvious scum? It's funny how I throw your name into the post and you so happen to come out of no where as well and just start pointing fingers at me. I'm throwing names around because he did miss a few people of course... Why will I get picked out of many when there is others he can also point at. I'm trying to stay as long as possible in this game and of course I have to defend myself, but I never pointed any fingers while defending myself. I guess me stating your name provoked you to start pointing fingers with out any reason as too. Grats, I'm changing my vote to Amber[Light]. Another thing, notice how d3_crescentia doesn't name Amber[Light] in his post and Votes for me when he has no reason to vote for me... But then I throw Amber[Light]'s name into my post and now Amber[Light] is ALSO voting for me. You guys are obvious enough that you both are teaming up against people trying to save the town. Obvious Scums are Obvious.
Umm... I don't get your defense.
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On December 15 2010 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 05:38 LSB wrote:
Here is the biggest issue. The mafia should be organized enough to make sure that they all aren't going to be modkilled.
Either that, or they are saving their votes for the end.
zeks. (2)
Gabriel
DCLXVI
Gabriel (3)
Brocket
LSB
dinmsab
Shockeyy(2)
d3_crescentia
Amber[LighT]
seRapH(1)
seRapH
Amber[LighT](1)
ShoCkeyy
It's probably more likely that DoctorH will do a day extension instead of killing 60% of the people in the game...
I won't modkill more than 3-4 players at a time but everyone who doesn't vote will be banned from future games.
I request a 24 hour extension.
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hai everyone.
im catching up now
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On December 15 2010 05:44 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 10:51 GGQ wrote:On December 12 2010 12:38 zeks wrote:
I think I'm dead ?
Oceanic
meapak
Hesmyrr
infundibulum
Please take a good look at these people especially infun. Votes came off him way too easily and the people who voted for him got mobbed immediately for the dumbest reasons.
Cheers and at least u didnt get a blue On December 12 2010 12:43 zeks wrote:after the FoS on me no one even bothered to post once to defend me  These posts are obviously intended to be seen as the point of view of a green who believes he's been lynched and is giving his last words. However, when I made my vote (which turned out to be the last one), the most recent votecount (which has since been edited to show the final votecount...) showed Kenpachi leading over zeks by two votes, and after that votecount there were three votes for Kenpachi and four for zeks. My vote was 40 minutes before zeks' "I'm dead" post, which gives him plenty of time to count the votes and add some small numbers together and see that Kenpachi was getting lynched, not him. (There is the fact that KtheZ voted zeks twice because he forgot to 'unvote' the first time, but even then the vote would be a tie and Kenpachi would still have been lynched). I have a hard time believing that zeks could miscount the votes so badly with his life on the line. I think these posts really force us to polarize our view on zeks. You either believe that he's an innocent pikachu who fails at simple math, or that he's confirmed TR because no town role would fake those posts. I strongly feel that he's scum. Bringing this up again because people keep saying things like "we don't know for sure about zeks" or "he's suspicious so we'll keep an eye on him" etc. That doesn't make any sense. Anyone who isn't voting zeks today is saying that they think he's a pikachu who can't add small numbers together when his game life is in the balance. It seems far more likely to me that he's a TR who went for a gambit to appear innocent because he knew Kenpachi would flip green and he was next on the list. He was the best lynch yesterday and he's the best lynch today. Voting zeks.
Out from left field. I didn't see GGQ coming. I agree zeks would have been voted out day 1 because of kenpachi. Honestly if Gabriel wasn't here I'd vote him too. But I've already said kenpachi and jcarl lynched and dead as townies and gabriel's strong motive to FoS zeks to survive confound the zeks-is-scum argument. I want to see gabriel's identity, since he's failed to convince me from day 1 and the only recourse is by lynch.
I am set on voting gabriel because I think he's mafia. I appreciate the people so far who voted with me for day 2 because that means they've read my posts and thought 'hey that Brocket dude is pretty handsome and makes a lot of sense'.
If for some outlandish reason I am delirious and Gabe turns out to be townie, I invite suspicion upon myself and throw myself onto the sword. I will vote myself day 3 because I would know that nothing I said was productive at all and I would feel guilty that I got Gabe the 'helpful' townie lynched. But until that happens, it's vote 1 gabe. Vote him dead.
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On December 15 2010 05:54 LSB wrote:Here's your three posts in the thread Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:On December 12 2010 04:35 tree.hugger wrote:On December 11 2010 17:41 tree.hugger wrote:My hunch is that he's not going to be able to commit fully to anything, no matter how much we prod.
On December 12 2010 02:30 Kenpachi wrote:
asdf. even when i post, i get pointed scum On December 12 2010 02:35 Kenpachi wrote:
okay so yea my posts were bad but what can i say? i couldnt offer anything there and there. So i voted Gabriel for blatant bandwagon. Then he reacts and i defend. On December 12 2010 02:27 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote tree.hugger On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? On December 12 2010 04:13 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 04:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? Are you claiming DT or medic? no i am not Word. I suppose we'll get treated to angry defending eventually, as he's in the lead right now, but hey, that might be too committed. Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler +A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of. Problemic Analysis. Kenpachi doesn't read the rules. Therefore he is scum. Kenpachi soft claimed blue. Therefore he is scum There are two big problems. 1) Not reading the rules doesn't mean you are scum. A lot of people don't read the rules. 2) Kenpachi did not soft claim blue. The reasons why you voted for Kenpachi do seem kind of jank now. Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote:The relative silence of the town bothers me, because it's just what mafia needs to win. The contribution of members named KtheZ, chaoser, deconduo, Insanious, ShoCkeyy, serApH, DCLXVI, Oceanic is virtually nil. We need to spend our time finding by rooting through the list of semi-lurking voters and figure out which ones we want to kill and/or check. Gabriel's insistence on a zeks vote today is distracting, but the votes on him thus far aren't very well-explained either. LSB and Shockeyy need to explain themselves on this. Actually, Shockeyy needs to explain himself, period. He only has ONE post thus far in the thread: + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 04:35 tree.hugger wrote:On December 11 2010 17:41 tree.hugger wrote:My hunch is that he's not going to be able to commit fully to anything, no matter how much we prod.
On December 12 2010 02:30 Kenpachi wrote:
asdf. even when i post, i get pointed scum On December 12 2010 02:35 Kenpachi wrote:
okay so yea my posts were bad but what can i say? i couldnt offer anything there and there. So i voted Gabriel for blatant bandwagon. Then he reacts and i defend. On December 12 2010 02:27 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote tree.hugger On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? On December 12 2010 04:13 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 04:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? Are you claiming DT or medic? no i am not Word. I suppose we'll get treated to angry defending eventually, as he's in the lead right now, but hey, that might be too committed. Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler +A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of. I'll be back in the evening, so don't go anywhere. Well my reasoning on voting for Gabriel was because in the first round he dodged my vote by the way kenpachi was acting, but then seeing jcarl go now and both of them being Gabriels prime targets in the beginning kinda made me switch over to them. Either way, I find it funny that you only target a quite few of us when actually there is A LOT of people missing that are not posting at all. To name some more, Amber[Light], Tube?... Why don't you target them as well? I don't understand why would you just target a select few of us instead of them and then JUST target me right after wards. I've been busy and reading up on what I could and making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. Eh? Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 05:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:On December 15 2010 04:54 Amber[LighT] wrote:On December 15 2010 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote:The relative silence of the town bothers me, because it's just what mafia needs to win. The contribution of members named KtheZ, chaoser, deconduo, Insanious, ShoCkeyy, serApH, DCLXVI, Oceanic is virtually nil. We need to spend our time finding by rooting through the list of semi-lurking voters and figure out which ones we want to kill and/or check. Gabriel's insistence on a zeks vote today is distracting, but the votes on him thus far aren't very well-explained either. LSB and Shockeyy need to explain themselves on this. Actually, Shockeyy needs to explain himself, period. He only has ONE post thus far in the thread: + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 04:35 tree.hugger wrote:On December 11 2010 17:41 tree.hugger wrote:My hunch is that he's not going to be able to commit fully to anything, no matter how much we prod.
On December 12 2010 02:30 Kenpachi wrote:
asdf. even when i post, i get pointed scum On December 12 2010 02:35 Kenpachi wrote:
okay so yea my posts were bad but what can i say? i couldnt offer anything there and there. So i voted Gabriel for blatant bandwagon. Then he reacts and i defend. On December 12 2010 02:27 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote tree.hugger On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? On December 12 2010 04:13 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 04:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? Are you claiming DT or medic? no i am not Word. I suppose we'll get treated to angry defending eventually, as he's in the lead right now, but hey, that might be too committed. Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler +A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of. I'll be back in the evening, so don't go anywhere. Well my reasoning on voting for Gabriel was because in the first round he dodged my vote by the way kenpachi was acting, but then seeing jcarl go now and both of them being Gabriels prime targets in the beginning kinda made me switch over to them. Either way, I find it funny that you only target a quite few of us when actually there is A LOT of people missing that are not posting at all. To name some more, Amber[Light], Tube?... Why don't you target them as well? I don't understand why would you just target a select few of us instead of them and then JUST target me right after wards. I've been busy and reading up on what I could and making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. Lol you're terrible scum. You sit around throwing names around after inactivity to make it look like a contribution. You picked me out because I'm not the most active person in the thread, yet I've been confident with most of my posts. I corrected any mistakes or misinterpretations I originally had. Kenpachi was the right choice. There's nothing more to discuss. I think we're analyzing too much on the night actions. I believe Hesmyrr so I'm going to believe Pandain when he takes his place, if anything. Vote for obvious scum. Vote for ShoCkeyy How am I obvious? I voted for who I saw fit as well. What have I said that makes me so obvious scum? It's funny how I throw your name into the post and you so happen to come out of no where as well and just start pointing fingers at me. I'm throwing names around because he did miss a few people of course... Why will I get picked out of many when there is others he can also point at. I'm trying to stay as long as possible in this game and of course I have to defend myself, but I never pointed any fingers while defending myself. I guess me stating your name provoked you to start pointing fingers with out any reason as too. Grats, I'm changing my vote to Amber[Light]. Another thing, notice how d3_crescentia doesn't name Amber[Light] in his post and Votes for me when he has no reason to vote for me... But then I throw Amber[Light]'s name into my post and now Amber[Light] is ALSO voting for me. You guys are obvious enough that you both are teaming up against people trying to save the town. Obvious Scums are Obvious. Umm... I don't get your defense.
I never said Kenpachi was scum, but more like phishy to me. PHISHY=/=SCUM... Everyone is phishy in this game. And my defense is clear. I will post an analysis of what I think of LSB, Amber and d3...
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On December 15 2010 05:55 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 15 2010 05:38 LSB wrote:
Here is the biggest issue. The mafia should be organized enough to make sure that they all aren't going to be modkilled.
Either that, or they are saving their votes for the end.
zeks. (2)
Gabriel
DCLXVI
Gabriel (3)
Brocket
LSB
dinmsab
Shockeyy(2)
d3_crescentia
Amber[LighT]
seRapH(1)
seRapH
Amber[LighT](1)
ShoCkeyy
It's probably more likely that DoctorH will do a day extension instead of killing 60% of the people in the game...
I won't modkill more than 3-4 players at a time but everyone who doesn't vote will be banned from future games. I request a 24 hour extension.
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I think shockeyy and amber haven't posted enough to earn a position to be voted. The shockeyy bandwagon does not amuse me and I am disappoint in LSB. In tree hugger fashion: Gabriel or zeks are good votes and are the only votes that should matter because those two have been discussed 'extensively'.
If you want shockey out, wait till day 3 voting please, you're not helping the town cause. Way too soon and way too shallow of an argument. I am not satisfied with amber or d3's (lol) arguments.
LSB, shockey is implying amber and d3 appear to be working together.Which I agree with. But I'm saving that for the next day assuming I don't die night 2. Btw please look more on amber+d3 if I die night 2.
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On December 15 2010 04:01 dinmsab wrote:
My vote is on Gabriel, for now. I'm not exactly convinced he's scummy but our discussions so far are pretty unconvincing and in the middle of this shitstorm is Gabriel.
Imo, I think people should start to discuss on other things rather than random bs finger pointing. People could give advice to blues on what to do etc etc, that would be much more helpful than what we're currently doing.
.. and no, i'm not a blue asking for advice. If mafia wants to kill me off then do so, I don't mind taking one for the team.
I don't understand why you would vote for someone you don't think is Scummy.
This is also the same thing you did day 1.
"Someone should really make a list of inactives"
"Someone should really start giving advice to blues"
If you want to do it, why not you?
Some blue advice:
Medics: based on day 1, it looks like mafia could be targeting active townies who are contributing to discussion. Keep this in mind for your protections. Think like "if i was a mafia, who would i hit?" that is who you protect.
Detectives: people I would check if i was a detective
zeks
Gabriel
infundibulum
amber[light]
ghrur
With 4 hours left in the day, I think it's more important to come up with a lynch candidate.
People I think are actively lurking
ghrur
seraph
Oceanic
With that said let me read the thread because I haven't read all the pages yet.
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"As for Voting Gabriel. I found it very strange that Jcarlson and Meapak died. On the other hand, this could be a great way to make Gabriel seem even more suspicious."
This kind of evens out you going on shockey bandwagon LSB. This is a great point and I say I didn't even think of it. But I'm assuming TR are too stupid to even think of something like this. Nonetheless this discredits the Gabe vote. I'm sticking to my guns though. As I just said gabe/zeks are both good votes.
Voting shockeyy now in the final hours of day 2 voting is a huge mistake, we simply haven't discussed enough about him yet. It's just a mixture of spontaneous and bandwagon which are key ingredients for suspicious activity and failure.
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I'm voting for Gabe, from what I can see he's the scummiest candidate we have after reading through the analysis of him. I should have voted for him day one, but hindsight is 20/20
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I'm voting Gabe.
The three lynch candidates (Gabe, Zeks, and ShoCkeyy) are very close in vote counts. This is going to make it VERY easy for the mafia to swing the vote. I'm very suspicious of those who started up the quick ShoCkeyy bandwagon. It is a very anti-town move, but I'd be a hypocrite if I voted Amber because of it. I'll post more on this later.
I think that Gabe and Zeks are both look scummy. Equally. However, I need to vote for one over the other, and imo, Gabe has done more damage to the thread than Zeks has thus far. That's why I'm voting Gabe. If you want a more thurough reasoning, I'll be happy to post it up, but it seems like people are in a panic to vote, and I want to get my vote, and my reasoning out quickly, in case I misunderstand the deadline.
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@ shockey:
You're not doing yourself a favour voting amber. We can pursue that discussion at a later date. Vote zeks or Gabe.
@ people voting shockey:
I suggest you rethink your votes, Kav is right. In the town's interests, we do not need a 3rd bandwagon.
Right now, I'm directly addressing LSB, amber and d3. Nobody else is buying it.
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My thoughts on each candidate so far:
Shockeyy:
voted kenpachi, but so did half the town and i can't blame any of them for doing that. LSB and amber say he is obvious scum, but they haven't said why. His defense is "why am i picked out when there are so many others?" is shitty, so Shockeyy maybe you should step up so you don't have to be picked out. Personally, i think he might be a lurking blue that was trying to avoid the spotlight and now got dragged into it. The fact that he thought kenpachi's soft blue claim was fake adds some weight to this possibility, imo.
Gabriel:
The man at the center of attention. He is a polarizing figure so it's understandable that he attracts votes. But look what happened today: almost immediately, people like Brocket and zeks start calling for his head. I think this is because Gabriel is an easy target: he kinda fucked up Day 1, and it's easy to push a lynch on him because of that. Look at how his behavior changed from Day 1 to Day 2, he is now much less confrontational and less active. it's hard to say if this is because he's scum trying to cover his tracks, or town who realized he went too far and tried to ease up a little. I think he is an easy choice to pick at so there are going to be both townies and mafia pushing for his lynch. If Gabriel is red, then it's a good move by them to bus him since he is so suspicious to many people. If he's town, then they can get away with it by saying "well he was playing really bad."
What seals it for me is this post by Brocket, specifically the bold part"
On December 15 2010 05:57 Brocket wrote:
Out from left field. I didn't see GGQ coming. I agree zeks would have been voted out day 1 because of kenpachi. Honestly if Gabriel wasn't here I'd vote him too. But I've already said kenpachi and jcarl lynched and dead as townies and gabriel's strong motive to FoS zeks to survive confound the zeks-is-scum argument. I want to see gabriel's identity, since he's failed to convince me from day 1 and the only recourse is by lynch.
I am set on voting gabriel because I think he's mafia. I appreciate the people so far who voted with me for day 2 because that means they've read my posts and thought 'hey that Brocket dude is pretty handsome and makes a lot of sense'.
If for some outlandish reason I am delirious and Gabe turns out to be townie, I invite suspicion upon myself and throw myself onto the sword. I will vote myself day 3 because I would know that nothing I said was productive at all and I would feel guilty that I got Gabe the 'helpful' townie lynched. But until that happens, it's vote 1 gabe. Vote him dead.
I have seen several times a red post something like that part and then get away with it after a townie is lynched. I am 95% sure Gabriel is being set up right now.
Zeks:
I think GGQ made a huge catch here and I almost want to vote zeks because of that alone. Combined with zeks going after the easy target in Gabriel, I am more suspicious of him than I was Day 1, when zeks narrowly evaded the noose.
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Addendum: we should strongly consider voting double lynch tomorrow If we don't hit a red today.
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