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The Storyteller
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
Singapore2486 Posts
February 25 2007 15:43 GMT
#41
On February 26 2007 00:31 QuietIdiot wrote:
I think I understand why bisu is taking his time off.

1.) He and his team worked damn hard to win proleague, and probably doesn't want to be left all alone in his place, despite the upcoming big games.
2.) A teacher once told me, days before a major exam, its better not to go into extreme stress and start mass studying. Instead, take some time off, relax, and go in there with an open mind. Meh, just a guess.


1) If Bisu's team is going on holiday, who's he going to practice against? To be very honest, I don't think his team should have gone on holiday. They ought to have stayed back to give him the support he needed. how can he enjoy his holiday when he's got the MSL finals on his mind?

2) It's better not to go in with EXTREME stress, but it's certainly not good to take a nice, long break either. A lot fo people hear teachers say, "don't stress yoruself out too much" and take it as license to slack.

In any case, it's Bisu's decision. We shall see how he performs on the day.
Selector
Profile Joined August 2004
Germany243 Posts
February 25 2007 15:47 GMT
#42
apm means nothing

savior isnt slower - he is faster. never seen such a game understanding (he is always building the right units for the right time as well as his unit combination and eco building) and his reactions are flawless.

he outmicroed everyone and his macro KICKS ASS.

he just uses his 200-240 apm perfectly and isnt such a abuse whore as nada...
thats all.

that he builds sunkens and lurkers to save his expansions has nothing to do with slow reaction but with "saving" them - you know O_O
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
February 25 2007 15:51 GMT
#43
On February 26 2007 00:33 snowbird wrote:
Units are slow, savior is not~


Thats a good point.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
sweatpants
Profile Joined April 2006
United States940 Posts
February 25 2007 15:53 GMT
#44
And yea, I totally agree with this post:

On February 26 2007 00:08 The Storyteller wrote:
And I don't think he has slower reactions. He just likes to push things as far as they can go. So his sunkens are always a little later than seems wise. However, he's obviously doing it with the right timing, because it always seems to work. Remember when he fought off a 4 gate rush after FE?


I don't understand why some people consider savior a safe-only player. He exudes so much confidence about his ability to defend, he always treads a very dangerous line in his build timing. He leaves himself seemingly open for that later-game advantage. He usually has the balls to get that extra drone before laying a sunken. But yea, his timing seems to be perfect on it. As seen in game 2 of the OSL championships, I think only someone at the caliber of Nada is confident and decisive enough with his own attacking ability to commit to these timing pushes. And even he lost a surprising amount of marines to drones. That or someone who isn't intimidated by Savior, like Iris.

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PuertoRican
Profile Joined April 2004
United States5709 Posts
February 25 2007 16:04 GMT
#45
How good is Bisu's pvz? he's 6-1 currently, but hasn't played any zerg players this season, as far as liquibet goes.

Savior is currently 4-0 for pvz games this season, according to liquibet.
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kefkalives
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Australia1272 Posts
February 25 2007 16:12 GMT
#46
On February 26 2007 00:16 G.s)NarutO wrote:

Why do I get flamed the whole time... I did not say he is slow. I said he is slower.. and I also posted a theory why I think that he is slower. Please don't blame me for thinking about his playing style...


Because you make posts when you cleary dont understand things.
prOxi.bOn ; \\ What makes most people feel happy/Leads us headlong into harm.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
February 25 2007 16:19 GMT
#47
On February 26 2007 01:12 kefkalives wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2007 00:16 G.s)NarutO wrote:

Why do I get flamed the whole time... I did not say he is slow. I said he is slower.. and I also posted a theory why I think that he is slower. Please don't blame me for thinking about his playing style...


Because you make posts when you cleary dont understand things.


So you do understand all of those progamer moves.. don't you?
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
muramasa
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada1299 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-25 16:24:03
February 25 2007 16:21 GMT
#48
Bisu practicing all week, or enjoying himself in Thailand really make no difference. It's up to Savior, whether Bisu wins or not. I wish that weren't the case, but PvZ and especially P v Savior is just so gay.
Hong Jin Ho. Nevar forget.
kefkalives
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Australia1272 Posts
February 25 2007 16:24 GMT
#49
On February 26 2007 01:19 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2007 01:12 kefkalives wrote:
On February 26 2007 00:16 G.s)NarutO wrote:

Why do I get flamed the whole time... I did not say he is slow. I said he is slower.. and I also posted a theory why I think that he is slower. Please don't blame me for thinking about his playing style...


Because you make posts when you cleary dont understand things.


So you do understand all of those progamer moves.. don't you?


Never claimed to, however you say dumb things like savior is slow etc etc etc, or swarm is completely unbeatable.
prOxi.bOn ; \\ What makes most people feel happy/Leads us headlong into harm.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-25 16:28:18
February 25 2007 16:25 GMT
#50
On February 26 2007 01:19 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2007 01:12 kefkalives wrote:
On February 26 2007 00:16 G.s)NarutO wrote:

Why do I get flamed the whole time... I did not say he is slow. I said he is slower.. and I also posted a theory why I think that he is slower. Please don't blame me for thinking about his playing style...


Because you make posts when you cleary dont understand things.


So you do understand all of those progamer moves.. don't you?
I dont think he'll come up with completely useless or nonsensical analysis like "had nada gotten 20 battlecruisers..."

sAviOr always makes alot of economy and a few zerglings so he is late on mutalisk.. or hydras.

utter nonsequitur..if he makes econ..he'll not be late on mutal or tech. it is a part of his strategic play, not that he is too slow to click on a few larvae.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ram
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Lithuania602 Posts
February 25 2007 16:32 GMT
#51
http://www.google.com/trends?q=savior, bisu&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

bisu is not even on the chart... gg no re
Person514cs
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1004 Posts
February 25 2007 16:56 GMT
#52
On February 26 2007 01:32 ram wrote:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=savior, bisu&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

bisu is not even on the chart... gg no re


Ah... I think the search was for actual saviors. People that saves, not the gamers.
Peace and love, for ever.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 25 2007 17:14 GMT
#53
that's a bit of useful information.

/sarcasm.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
February 25 2007 17:35 GMT
#54
Nobody wants to argue with you because you come across as stupid.

It is irrelevant whether you really are. My IQ is in the 150s and nobody wants to argue with me. That's because I make stupid arguments.

If you want people to reason with you, make sure you construct complete deductive or inductive arguments for every point you are trying to make. You don't need to actually include them in your post, but the process of constructing full syllogisms will enable you to quickly spot flaws in your argument.

These flaws are what you are going to be attacked on. Be sure you have a defence.

For examples on constructing a full logical argument, look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism or
http://chainsofreason.org

Your arguments are flawed in so many ways it's not even funny anymore. Add to this that you tend to have unpopular opinions (which makes people motivated to spot flaws in your argument) and it's obvious you're going to be flamed to death.

Hope this answers your question, and that you don't get flamed again.
«A fool and his freedom are soon parted» ~ Richard Stallman, Founder FSF
BlueMorning
Profile Joined February 2007
United States96 Posts
February 25 2007 18:34 GMT
#55
I think Bisu's trip to Thailand with his teammates will be a good, enjoyable experience for him. Taking a temporary break from your mechanic mass gaming lifestyle, and experiencing the beauty & culture of Thailand i think will clear his mind for this match.

I'm not saying that his imba experience will auto-win vs. Savior, because Bisu definitely lacks in ZvP seeing how Julyzerg beat him easy & prolly beats him all the time. I'm just hoping through this experience he gets hyped & motivated by his teammates to give it everything he has, possibly but not likely avenge his teammates... and fight till the last man, or probe if it comes down to that.

BTW, if anyone has an inside scoop on who Bisu's training partners are that would be interesting, I only have assumptions, but besides MBC Hero's Julyzerg, Shark, etc. is there anyone else helping Mr. Extreme Train against the Maestro ?
Tears arent a girls weapon, Its her Smile
KovacsFlorian
Profile Joined January 2006
204 Posts
February 25 2007 19:56 GMT
#56
On February 26 2007 02:35 MarcX wrote:
Nobody wants to argue with you because you come across as stupid.

It is irrelevant whether you really are. My IQ is in the 150s and nobody wants to argue with me. That's because I make stupid arguments.

If you want people to reason with you, make sure you construct complete deductive or inductive arguments for every point you are trying to make. You don't need to actually include them in your post, but the process of constructing full syllogisms will enable you to quickly spot flaws in your argument.

These flaws are what you are going to be attacked on. Be sure you have a defence.

For examples on constructing a full logical argument, look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism or
http://chainsofreason.org

Your arguments are flawed in so many ways it's not even funny anymore. Add to this that you tend to have unpopular opinions (which makes people motivated to spot flaws in your argument) and it's obvious you're going to be flamed to death.

Hope this answers your question, and that you don't get flamed again.


Hmm, so you are a wise guy ?
You talking to me? You talking to me? You talking to me? Then who the hell else are you talking to? You talking to me? Well, I am the only one here. Who do the fuck do you think you are talking to? Oh, yeah? Ok.
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-25 20:30:25
February 25 2007 20:30 GMT
#57
Bisu has no chance against Savior...If he manages to win..deh...he's GOD(i'm not kidding..)
The Real Power~
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 25 2007 22:03 GMT
#58
If Bisu does happen to win, which I doubt, his salary would jump for sure. But I see him getting rolled.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DaMs
Profile Joined February 2007
France37 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-25 22:39:49
February 25 2007 22:35 GMT
#59
On February 25 2007 23:56 G.s)NarutO wrote:
I think sometimes its good to have a break to breath.. Bisu probably will come back stronger than you guys think. I'm not saying Bisu will crush sAviOr, because that would be nonsense.
sAviOrs ZvP is incredible because he understands how to beat the nowadays toss.

The real problem of savior - in my opinion - is that he is slow if you are going to compare him to other progamers apm. With slow I don't say slow reactions, but slowER! reactions.
You can see that he knows that he is slower, because he saves his expansions with sunkens and lurkers to by him time.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think sAviOr would get a problem with a fast tripple gate instead of a fast expansion build.
Or perhaps Bisu should try to reaver drop. sAviOr always makes alot of economy and a few zerglings so he is late on mutalisk.. or hydras.
Fast Expansion is not the way you win vs sAviOr.

What do you think?


Even if he is "slower" (what i think is false), i think he is the one who have the best anticipation in game, the best read of a starcraft game. He can "predict" what he will have to counter, that's why he is the best, he has always advance on every action.

And sAviOr have around 270apm, it's not so bad ! no ?
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
February 25 2007 23:15 GMT
#60
On February 25 2007 22:36 Locked wrote:
bisu knows he's going to get his ass kicked! what's the use of practicing

my thoughts exactly. he thought "lol i meet savior in final, i might as well get some booty in thailand instead of pointless training"
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