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On February 26 2007 07:35 DaMs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2007 23:56 G.s)NarutO wrote:
I think sometimes its good to have a break to breath.. Bisu probably will come back stronger than you guys think. I'm not saying Bisu will crush sAviOr, because that would be nonsense.
sAviOrs ZvP is incredible because he understands how to beat the nowadays toss.
The real problem of savior - in my opinion - is that he is slow if you are going to compare him to other progamers apm. With slow I don't say slow reactions, but slowER! reactions.
You can see that he knows that he is slower, because he saves his expansions with sunkens and lurkers to by him time.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think sAviOr would get a problem with a fast tripple gate instead of a fast expansion build.
Or perhaps Bisu should try to reaver drop. sAviOr always makes alot of economy and a few zerglings so he is late on mutalisk.. or hydras.
Fast Expansion is not the way you win vs sAviOr.
What do you think? Even if he is "slower" (what i think is false), i think he is the one who have the best anticipation in game, the best read of a starcraft game. He can "predict" what he will have to counter, that's why he is the best, he has always advance on every action. And sAviOr have around 270apm, it's not so bad ! no ?
Agreed.
Who said Savior isn't that fast, just have to see some fpvods of him, his speed (not spam -.-) and multiasking are amazing.
About MSL final
I think bisu will try to surprise him with some weird BO, but as you know, Savior will scout, defend, counter, then roll over him.
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On February 25 2007 20:45 Ace wrote:
hold lurkers>chuck norris
Ok but seriously why the hell are people getting upset because Bisu went to spend time with his team? Who gives a shit. He even started practicing when he got back, do people want him to train 24/7 and not live his damn life?
Yes, Koreans arent very social ppl, basically they suck. They are even affraid of showing there face to the cameras, at live events. The reason that Koreans rule at bw is, that they are all able to throw away there life, and sit in front of the pc 24/7. And when someone goes outside, they get confused.
Afterall they are antisocial nerds.
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On February 26 2007 08:30 HungerForMore wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2007 20:45 Ace wrote:
hold lurkers>chuck norris
Ok but seriously why the hell are people getting upset because Bisu went to spend time with his team? Who gives a shit. He even started practicing when he got back, do people want him to train 24/7 and not live his damn life? Yes, Koreans arent very social ppl, basically they suck. They are even affraid of showing there face to the cameras, at live events. The reason that Koreans rule at bw is, that they are all able to throw away there life, and sit in front of the pc 24/7. And when someone goes outside, they get confused. Afterall they are antisocial nerds.
I seriously hope this post is a joke.
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I'm pretty sure it is a joke. Unless his korean girlfriend broke up w/him. 
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Sweden33723 Posts
On February 25 2007 21:12 Jathin wrote:
I don't think any P has been able to take more than 1 game from Savior, non?
Nal_rA 2-1 him in All stars (2006? 2005?), Pusan 2-1 him in challenge league (or dual tournament, I don't remember) in like 2004.
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Bisu is strong in PvZ but you know what Saviors like....
Anyways, those games will be damn cool. And wtf, it's not anyones business how Bisu trains for his games...but I think the issue is that people want to see Savior dethroned and see Bisu as a savior (pun intended) of sorts, who hopefully will knock out Savior (although we all doubt this will happen).
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On February 25 2007 23:56 G.s)NarutO wrote:
I think sometimes its good to have a break to breath.. Bisu probably will come back stronger than you guys think. I'm not saying Bisu will crush sAviOr, because that would be nonsense.
sAviOrs ZvP is incredible because he understands how to beat the nowadays toss.
The real problem of savior - in my opinion - is that he is slow if you are going to compare him to other progamers apm. With slow I don't say slow reactions, but slowER! reactions.
You can see that he knows that he is slower, because he saves his expansions with sunkens and lurkers to by him time.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think sAviOr would get a problem with a fast tripple gate instead of a fast expansion build.
Or perhaps Bisu should try to reaver drop. sAviOr always makes alot of economy and a few zerglings so he is late on mutalisk.. or hydras.
Fast Expansion is not the way you win vs sAviOr.
What do you think?
I think every zerg player in the history of bw knows how to beat a toss.
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If Bisu takes 1 game he has done more than expected.
Let's hope for the impossible (that he takes 2.. 3 is above impossible)
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Braavos36402 Posts
seriously saying stuff like "maybe savior is weak against triple gate!!!" or "maybe bisu should try reaver drop!!"
is like going up to kobe bryant and saying "hey, you should try shooting this way, maybe you'd make more shots tomorrow night"
or going up to roddick and giving him advice on his forehand because "maybe federer is weak" against your kind of forehand
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Sweden33723 Posts
On February 26 2007 03:34 BlueMorning wrote:
I think Bisu's trip to Thailand with his teammates will be a good, enjoyable experience for him. Taking a temporary break from your mechanic mass gaming lifestyle, and experiencing the beauty & culture of Thailand i think will clear his mind for this match.
I'm not saying that his imba experience will auto-win vs. Savior, because Bisu definitely lacks in ZvP seeing how Julyzerg beat him easy & prolly beats him all the time. I'm just hoping through this experience he gets hyped & motivated by his teammates to give it everything he has, possibly but not likely avenge his teammates... and fight till the last man, or probe if it comes down to that.
BTW, if anyone has an inside scoop on who Bisu's training partners are that would be interesting, I only have assumptions, but besides MBC Hero's Julyzerg, Shark, etc. is there anyone else helping Mr. Extreme Train against the Maestro ?
Bisu lacking in PvZ?
Bisu is the PvZ messiah.
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On February 26 2007 10:19 Adamthegreat wrote:
If Bisu takes 1 game he has done more than expected.
Let's hope for the impossible (that he takes 2.. 3 is above impossible)
Nope, even rA was able to take 1 game. As long as Bisu takes one game and fights hard in his losses, people will be satisfied (or they should be anyway)
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Even rA was able to take 1 game? rA has probably the best (or at least among the best) PvZs and he was only able to take 1 game.
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Ppl criticizing Bisu for going on this trip are assholes, progamers are human beings ffs :/
And I wouldn't be too quick to say he is going to get rolled over, of course his chances are low, probably lower than 25% to win it but he has displayed amazing skills before.
Before the Iris / SAvior semi everybody jumped the "Iris has awful TvZ Savior will slaughter him 3-0" bandwagon. Yet he was the one who caused the most trouble to Savior. Wait n' see ....
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On February 26 2007 00:47 Selector wrote:
apm means nothing
savior isnt slower - he is faster. never seen such a game understanding (he is always building the right units for the right time as well as his unit combination and eco building) and his reactions are flawless.
he outmicroed everyone and his macro KICKS ASS.
he just uses his 200-240 apm perfectly and isnt such a abuse whore as nada...
thats all.
that he builds sunkens and lurkers to save his expansions has nothing to do with slow reaction but with "saving" them - you know O_O
Um, you really shouldn't call Nada an abuse whore you haxor.
And yea, Bisu is great at PvZ. It's just a friggin hard MU to win in a bo5 imo, no matter how balanced it is.
Especially against Savior
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On February 26 2007 11:27 ArC_man wrote:
Even rA was able to take 1 game? rA has probably the best (or at least among the best) PvZs and he was only able to take 1 game.
Besides his 1 win, his games were embarrassing against savior. Not embarrassing in the sense that savior was so good, either. Flat-out, completely obvious in the sense that rA was bad. What rA did against savior was not good PvZ at all. Don't attempt to change the subject by bringing in rA's other PvZ series, as those are irrelevant.
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He went on vacation because he knows that practice doesn't work against savior.
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I have a feeling that we will see atleast one long ass game (like 45+min), because P always need to do some crazy strategies, to beat zergs. And in a bo5 it's mandatory. But I still only think Bisu will be able to take one game, and it won't be easy.
I predict 3-1 for Savior.
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On February 26 2007 12:25 Commentator wrote:
Besides his 1 win, his games were embarrassing against savior. Not embarrassing in the sense that savior was so good, either. Flat-out, completely obvious in the sense that rA was bad. What rA did against savior was not good PvZ at all. Don't attempt to change the subject by bringing in rA's other PvZ series, as those are irrelevant.
And which other protoss has ever beaten Savior recently even in 1 game? None, all the other protoss have been utterly embarrassed as well. You make it sound like it's easy to take one game from Savior and you vastly underestimate rA's PvZ. Why can't I bring in other PvZ series from rA? They are proof that he is an excellent PvZ'er, I think you're just trying to avoid that fact that he's brilliant at PvZ and that he is one of the best at that matchup.
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On February 26 2007 10:19 Adamthegreat wrote:
If Bisu takes 1 game he has done more than expected.
Let's hope for the impossible (that he takes 2.. 3 is above impossible)
Actually, there's nothing 'above' impossible. If it's impossible, that's it.
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thedeadhaji
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On February 26 2007 12:54 ArC_man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2007 12:25 Commentator wrote:
Besides his 1 win, his games were embarrassing against savior. Not embarrassing in the sense that savior was so good, either. Flat-out, completely obvious in the sense that rA was bad. What rA did against savior was not good PvZ at all. Don't attempt to change the subject by bringing in rA's other PvZ series, as those are irrelevant. And which other protoss has ever beaten Savior recently even in 1 game? None, all the other protoss have been utterly embarrassed as well.
Reach, roughly one to two weeks before the aforementioned rA vs Savior finals.
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