EPT[HYPE] MSL Finals Tidbits - Page 2
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
sAviOrs ZvP is incredible because he understands how to beat the nowadays toss. The real problem of savior - in my opinion - is that he is slow if you are going to compare him to other progamers apm. With slow I don't say slow reactions, but slowER! reactions. You can see that he knows that he is slower, because he saves his expansions with sunkens and lurkers to by him time. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think sAviOr would get a problem with a fast tripple gate instead of a fast expansion build. Or perhaps Bisu should try to reaver drop. sAviOr always makes alot of economy and a few zerglings so he is late on mutalisk.. or hydras. Fast Expansion is not the way you win vs sAviOr. What do you think? | ||
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araav
Armenia1590 Posts
On February 25 2007 23:56 G.s)NarutO wrote: I think sometimes its good to have a break to breath.. Bisu probably will come back stronger than you guys think. I'm not saying Bisu will crush sAviOr, because that would be nonsense. sAviOrs ZvP is incredible because he understands how to beat the nowadays toss. The real problem of savior - in my opinion - is that he is slow if you are going to compare him to other progamers apm. With slow I don't say slow reactions, but slowER! reactions. You can see that he knows that he is slower, because he saves his expansions with sunkens and lurkers to by him time. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think sAviOr would get a problem with a fast tripple gate instead of a fast expansion build. Or perhaps Bisu should try to reaver drop. sAviOr always makes alot of economy and a few zerglings so he is late on mutalisk.. or hydras. Fast Expansion is not the way you win vs sAviOr. What do you think? sorry, I think you are a dumb kid... Savior with his 2xx APM outmicroed outbattled Nada's 4xx APM in several simultaneous battles + scourged DSs, etc. slow? ok | ||
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The Storyteller
Singapore2486 Posts
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The Storyteller
Singapore2486 Posts
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
There's no point in even bothering to watch. EDIT: Before someone thinks they're clever, yes I know Ra did it once. The point I'm making is that until Savior begins his inevitable "losing to everyone he plays until he drops half way down kespa" slump, no toss will beat him in a series again. I stand by that. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On February 26 2007 00:05 araav wrote: sorry, I think you are a dumb kid... Savior with his 2xx APM outmicroed outbattled Nada's 4xx APM in several simultaneous battles + scourged DSs, etc. slow? ok Why do I get flamed the whole time... I did not say he is slow. I said he is slower.. and I also posted a theory why I think that he is slower. Please don't blame me for thinking about his playing style... | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On February 25 2007 23:56 G.s)NarutO wrote: I think sometimes its good to have a break to breath.. Bisu probably will come back stronger than you guys think. I'm not saying Bisu will crush sAviOr, because that would be nonsense. sAviOrs ZvP is incredible because he understands how to beat the nowadays toss. The real problem of savior - in my opinion - is that he is slow if you are going to compare him to other progamers apm. With slow I don't say slow reactions, but slowER! reactions. You can see that he knows that he is slower, because he saves his expansions with sunkens and lurkers to by him time. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think sAviOr would get a problem with a fast tripple gate instead of a fast expansion build. Or perhaps Bisu should try to reaver drop. sAviOr always makes alot of economy and a few zerglings so he is late on mutalisk.. or hydras. Fast Expansion is not the way you win vs sAviOr. What do you think? yes im sure a fast triple gate rush would be harder for savior to defend seeing as how he has slower reactions and probably won't react to the triple gate. I think you're dumb too | ||
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sweatpants
United States940 Posts
On February 25 2007 23:56 G.s)NarutO wrote: I think sometimes its good to have a break to breath.. Bisu probably will come back stronger than you guys think. I'm not saying Bisu will crush sAviOr, because that would be nonsense. sAviOrs ZvP is incredible because he understands how to beat the nowadays toss. The real problem of savior - in my opinion - is that he is slow if you are going to compare him to other progamers apm. With slow I don't say slow reactions, but slowER! reactions. You can see that he knows that he is slower, because he saves his expansions with sunkens and lurkers to by him time. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think sAviOr would get a problem with a fast tripple gate instead of a fast expansion build. Or perhaps Bisu should try to reaver drop. sAviOr always makes alot of economy and a few zerglings so he is late on mutalisk.. or hydras. Fast Expansion is not the way you win vs sAviOr. What do you think? Savior is slower than other pros? He's the greatest multitasking zerg in history. In my opinion, he has the best sense of in-game awareness today. I'd give you some sources on this, but it's really almost every freaking game. I've seen a lot of unfounded arguments being made against him but this one is just ridiculous. Sorry, I hope I don't come across like an asshole, but I just don't understand how anyone could possibly make this argument. | ||
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On February 26 2007 00:16 G.s)NarutO wrote: Why do I get flamed the whole time... I did not say he is slow. I said he is slower.. and I also posted a theory why I think that he is slower. Please don't blame me for thinking about his playing style... Talking about APM is silly, as it has little to no bearing on a player once they reach a certain level. The fact that Savior shits on everyone he plays should be an indication of his skill and multitasking to you, not his APM. | ||
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
Let's just drop it kids. This thread shouldn't be ruined from needlessly flaming the uninformed. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
I argumented without any no manner comments or stuff... but I get flamed all the time. I'm not dumb. I just ask myself why a player like savior builds 3 sunkens and lurkers on his expansions. Is it to buy time? Is it to be safer? Is it to avoid drops? I never doubted he is great in multitasking macro and micro like someone said before and I'm also not talking only about apm of savior. But seems like objectivity is out of order here T_T | ||
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sweatpants
United States940 Posts
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QuietIdiot
7004 Posts
1.) He and his team worked damn hard to win proleague, and probably doesn't want to be left all alone in his place, despite the upcoming big games. 2.) A teacher once told me, days before a major exam, its better not to go into extreme stress and start mass studying. Instead, take some time off, relax, and go in there with an open mind. Meh, just a guess. | ||
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sweatpants
United States940 Posts
On February 26 2007 00:23 G.s)NarutO wrote: Seems like no one really wants to argument with me. They read the posts I made ago in NaDa vs sAviOr threads and now they think I just want to talk sAviOr bad. Its not like this. I argumented without any no manner comments or stuff... but I get flamed all the time. I'm not dumb. I just ask myself why a player like savior builds 3 sunkens and lurkers on his expansions. Is it to buy time? Is it to be safer? Is it to avoid drops? I never doubted he is great in multitasking macro and micro like someone said before and I'm also not talking only about apm of savior. But seems like objectivity is out of order here T_T The thing you probably saw is what you see in all pros. That's because there is uncertainty as to where the enemy is going at the moment. It sometimes ends up being a bluff- ie. some terrans will move their entire army out and then move right back to do nothing but to scout and to force some delay in the opponent. For example, I think Iris won one of the games vs Savior with like 4 turrets in his economy that didn't fire once because sAviOr didn't go mutas. It's all about the best preparation for the most information you can get. As far as your comment on multitasking.. you cannot have good multitasking without inhuman reaction to what's going on in the game. I really didn't mean this to be a flame, so sorry if it felt like that. | ||
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sweatpants
United States940 Posts
On February 26 2007 00:31 QuietIdiot wrote: I think I understand why bisu is taking his time off. 1.) He and his team worked damn hard to win proleague, and probably doesn't want to be left all alone in his place, despite the upcoming big games. 2.) A teacher once told me, days before a major exam, its better not to go into extreme stress and start mass studying. Instead, take some time off, relax, and go in there with an open mind. Meh, just a guess. Heh heh. I would think so too but in almost all the interviews, progamers are really tired from lack of sleep because they stayed up practicing. | ||
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snowbird
Germany2044 Posts
On February 26 2007 00:23 G.s)NarutO wrote: Seems like no one really wants to argument with me. They read the posts I made ago in NaDa vs sAviOr threads and now they think I just want to talk sAviOr bad. Its not like this. I argumented without any no manner comments or stuff... but I get flamed all the time. I'm not dumb. I just ask myself why a player like savior builds 3 sunkens and lurkers on his expansions. Is it to buy time? Is it to be safer? Is it to avoid drops? I never doubted he is great in multitasking macro and micro like someone said before and I'm also not talking only about apm of savior. But seems like objectivity is out of order here T_T Depending on the state of the game, if you can afford it, it is always better to protect your expos with sunkens/lurkers. They are of course built with the intention to buy some time, so you can send backup to save your expo. But I don't see how this as anything to do with Savior being slow? Units are slow, savior is not~ | ||
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QuietIdiot
7004 Posts
On February 26 2007 00:33 sweatpants wrote: Heh heh. I would think so too but in almost all the interviews, progamers are really tired from lack of sleep because they stayed up practicing. This is the biggest series of his life and he's been practicing extremely hard throughout the year. All those other games were mere small tests, this is the final exam, definitely worth conserving energy for. He knows the material, he's tried hard throughout, he's probably at his best right now, he lacks serious amount of sleep, so why not?  | ||
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The Storyteller
Singapore2486 Posts
On February 26 2007 00:23 G.s)NarutO wrote: Seems like no one really wants to argument with me. They read the posts I made ago in NaDa vs sAviOr threads and now they think I just want to talk sAviOr bad. Its not like this. I argumented without any no manner comments or stuff... but I get flamed all the time. I'm not dumb. I just ask myself why a player like savior builds 3 sunkens and lurkers on his expansions. Is it to buy time? Is it to be safer? Is it to avoid drops? I never doubted he is great in multitasking macro and micro like someone said before and I'm also not talking only about apm of savior. But seems like objectivity is out of order here T_T Hey, I responded nicely. | ||
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