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Savior and Midas both are like the juggaernaut. Once they start moving nothing can stop them. Momentum builds up and its over.
edit. im terran but i hate watching games where zerg does everything while terran just turtles. Terran eventually defends while destroying zerg's expos with small groups and than zerg runs out of steam. Terran moves out and over. Its like the zerg played better but the terran won.
Like July vs. Boxer on raid assault, July vs. (i think Hwasin) on r-point.
This map is sort of gay. When midas is defending the choke makes it impossible to break. But when hes attacking the savior's choke it makes his army unbreakable.
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This game is awsome, just pisses me off how its like watching the whole game of a zerg pooring shit through small chokes and canyons onto waiting vessels tanks bunkers and mmf. =[
Any other map! 
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Give Midas some god-damn credit though, his tvz is the best in the world and he played like a monster throughout this match. Although I do have to say, even when Savior is beaten, it seems that it takes everything the oponent has to take him out.
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On January 02 2007 02:43 Ace wrote:
I think that game actually showed that Midas is definetly not on Savior's level TvZ/ZvT. Watching that gave me the feeling of Midas just barely surviving because Zerg had to literally waste units getting through that choke while terran sends out a small MM/Vessel force and smashes expoes. Granted Savior made some mistakes but he definetly had an incredibly difficult path in front of him.
I don't think so.
The small chokes are too advantageous for zerg. Midas wasted many units trying to clear out the lurkers which blocked the small openings. Even after breaking down all the neutral buildings, a couple lurkers could fend off the marines while Midas' expo was being attacked.
He wasted too many units trying to get through the choke? Think about the defiler usage. Midas' unit switch to firebats saved him a couple times against the lurker/defiler combo.
Savior was simply outmatched in this fight. Just find some strong macro-oriented players who are willing to play a long resource battle with him, and you'll find players who can beat savior. Midas, Nal_rA, iloveOOv, NaDa, Anytime. All players who have excellent macro and have played plenty of marathon games.
On January 02 2007 17:13 leviathan400 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2007 16:46 We Are Here wrote:On January 02 2007 14:57 -Carlodajin- wrote:
Personally I like it because when SaviOr losses comes the excuses...so that makes it double nice...
And yeah...Midas control is insane...the FPVOD of Midas in this match is really insane...Korean Progaming at its best... hey buddy can you upload the fpvod or give a link to it? thnx also i agree with you one of the best games ive seen There is a first person view of both players during this game/vod for short periods. I'm sure there is no vod with 100% first person view of either way. I hope im wrong tho
You are wrong, thankfully. They just haven't released it yet. They usually release those as a special TV program afterwards. We'll probably see it on TV within the next month.
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On January 02 2007 20:55 Evilmonkey. wrote:
Give Midas some god-damn credit though, his tvz is the best in the world and he played like a monster throughout this match. Although I do have to say, even when Savior is beaten, it seems that it takes everything the oponent has to take him out. Midas best tvz in the world? Where did you get this idea from? It's odd that you say it so surely as if it was a fact. I've always thought his specialty was tvp.
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On January 02 2007 22:06 Blind wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2007 20:55 Evilmonkey. wrote:
Give Midas some god-damn credit though, his tvz is the best in the world and he played like a monster throughout this match. Although I do have to say, even when Savior is beaten, it seems that it takes everything the oponent has to take him out. Midas best tvz in the world? Where did you get this idea from? It's odd that you say it so surely as if it was a fact. I've always thought his specialty was tvp.
It means something when the best zerg in the world states that he's afraid of you.
Savior does not like playing Midas.
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On January 02 2007 22:10 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2007 22:06 Blind wrote:On January 02 2007 20:55 Evilmonkey. wrote:
Give Midas some god-damn credit though, his tvz is the best in the world and he played like a monster throughout this match. Although I do have to say, even when Savior is beaten, it seems that it takes everything the oponent has to take him out. Midas best tvz in the world? Where did you get this idea from? It's odd that you say it so surely as if it was a fact. I've always thought his specialty was tvp. It means something when the best zerg in the world states that he's afraid of you. Savior does not like playing Midas.
Can you link to the topic with the interview or whatever it was that showed Savior afraid of Midas?
I'll print it out, laminate it, sleep next to it and worship it, really.
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well ipx didnt want to be in the same group as midas and said that midas is a tricky opponent.. if think midas is capable of taking ipx in bo5, he almost did it in the msl
Edit: thanks WhatisProtoss for info, hope to get fpvod soon 
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On January 05 2007 16:20 ilovezil wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2007 22:10 WhatisProtoss wrote:On January 02 2007 22:06 Blind wrote:On January 02 2007 20:55 Evilmonkey. wrote:
Give Midas some god-damn credit though, his tvz is the best in the world and he played like a monster throughout this match. Although I do have to say, even when Savior is beaten, it seems that it takes everything the oponent has to take him out. Midas best tvz in the world? Where did you get this idea from? It's odd that you say it so surely as if it was a fact. I've always thought his specialty was tvp. It means something when the best zerg in the world states that he's afraid of you. Savior does not like playing Midas. Can you link to the topic with the interview or whatever it was that showed Savior afraid of Midas? I'll print it out, laminate it, sleep next to it and worship it, really.
its in the osl group selection thread.
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midas control is insane but, after that, he did nothing. He was just surviving to savior onslaught. And savior, as a zerg, has no other choice but to keep attacking.
Map was imba also.
Midas never did real important things in the game, just kept defending all he could, and by the time he won, he was still defending.
Sorry, but i just dont like that style.
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nooo
savioorr! 
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On January 05 2007 18:04 wXs.Havok wrote:
midas control is insane but, after that, he did nothing. He was just surviving to savior onslaught. And savior, as a zerg, has no other choice but to keep attacking.
Map was imba also.
Midas never did real important things in the game, just kept defending all he could, and by the time he won, he was still defending.
Sorry, but i just dont like that style.
zerg has more options than 'keep attacking'. and yes midas was just surviving the savior onslaught and defending all game, but what the hell else was he supposed to do? if an opponent attacks that often, you defend. in that game, it was not a style by any means, he was forced into defending against savior's constant attacks. you dont know what youre talking about.
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savior isn't afraid of midas, he wanted to be in group A with nada and oov
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The reason savior is afraid of midas is that midas and savior are friends and play eachother alot unofficially and they know eachothers style pretty well, so that makes it easier for midas to beat savior than other terran.
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The argument about chokes being advantageous to zerg or terran goes both ways IMO. However I think it's much better for the T. Yea omg 2 lurkers can stop a big group of MM with the choke, so bring a tank. Flanking is FAR more important to Z winning fights vs T than a choke for lurkers is for Z winning vs T.
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Savior played well, but I believed he made one crucial mistake.
After breaking Midas's second expand, he tried to take the main with his lurkers. Eventually they were taken care of by tanks. Had he stayed at the expansion and waited for reinforcement from lilngs, he could've safely expand to the right side of the map.
hmmm... I think he did expand to the right side after he lost his lurkers, but he couldn't hold on to them.
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