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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 27 2012 13:49 GMT
#41
Nice write up. gj!
I had a good night of sleep.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 27 2012 13:49 GMT
#42
On September 27 2012 22:44 Dosey wrote:
It's a cool idea but I don't really like this kind of measurement because it really holds no merit in terms of accomplishment/skill. I mean, think of Leenock, who has gone from open bracket to win an MLG TWICE. I find that more impressive than someone being seeded directly into groups, winning 5 matches, and then taking down the finals because of a terrible extended series system.


Yeah it doesn't really mean that much when you really think about it. Some people get seeded, some people have to play qualifiers. Some people climb up from obscurity, some people have been playing at the top a long time. The numbers are just interesting and make sense to think about, at least. Earning so much playing so little is still a great feat. Doesn't make them best player ever, obviously
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revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 14:00:03
September 27 2012 13:52 GMT
#43
Interesting stats right there.

One of the big influences in earning efficiency is prize money distribution at tournaments. Some tournaments pay out for just qualifying like WCS or GSL. Other only give prize money to the highest placing finishers. Look at DreamHack Valencia, there were 64 players competing but only 4 players earned any prize money. So if you played up to the Ro8 then you could have played a lot of games which were not included in this list because no prize money resulted. Another example is the MvP Invitational. There will be 48 competitors who play 50 maps or so and yet only one player will win any prize money for their efforts.

Something to note is that in that top 10, Stephano has been a full-time pro-gamer for a lot less time than the other players, less than half the time of some! This highlights how staggeringly quickly he has managed to accumulate prize money from SC2 tournaments.

There is a lot more tournaments this year and a lot more prize money up for grabs compared to last year, and I do wonder if this trend will continue next year.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 27 2012 13:58 GMT
#44
On September 27 2012 22:52 revel8 wrote:
Interesting stats right there.

Not sure you can really measure 'earning efficiency' in the way that you do, if you are only using tournaments where the player manages to attain prize money. Look at DreamHack Valencia, there were 64 players competing but only 4 players earned any prize money. So if you played up to the Ro8 then you could have played a lot of games which were not included in this list because no prize money resulted. Another example is the MvP Invitational. There will be 48 competitors who play 50 maps or so and yet only one player will win any prize money for their efforts.

Something to note is that in that top 10, Stephano has been a full-time pro-gamer for a lot less time than the other players, less than half the time of some! This highlights how staggeringly quickly he has managed to accumulate prize money from SC2 tournaments.


I got the games played from TLPD, which includes tournaments where players get knocked out early and don't get any prize money. Basically the earning info is from sc2earnings and the game/tournament info is from TLPD, which includes all competitive games (online/offline, qualifiers, etc)

Stephano has played a LOT of competitive games considering how short he's been a pro and not even full time. Kinda crazy
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Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
September 27 2012 14:02 GMT
#45
On September 27 2012 22:49 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 22:44 Dosey wrote:
It's a cool idea but I don't really like this kind of measurement because it really holds no merit in terms of accomplishment/skill. I mean, think of Leenock, who has gone from open bracket to win an MLG TWICE. I find that more impressive than someone being seeded directly into groups, winning 5 matches, and then taking down the finals because of a terrible extended series system.


Yeah it doesn't really mean that much when you really think about it. Some people get seeded, some people have to play qualifiers. Some people climb up from obscurity, some people have been playing at the top a long time. The numbers are just interesting and make sense to think about, at least. Earning so much playing so little is still a great feat. Doesn't make them best player ever, obviously

Yeah, it's neat. I'm just saying that it doesn't really belong on something like SC2earnings because it holds no true merit and arguments will be made that X Player isn't good because his EPG doesn't compare to Y Player even though X has earned more than Y in a shorter period. People already use ridiculous statistics to make their arguments, there's no need to add more fuel to the fire. :/
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
September 27 2012 14:02 GMT
#46
On September 27 2012 22:58 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 22:52 revel8 wrote:
Interesting stats right there.

Not sure you can really measure 'earning efficiency' in the way that you do, if you are only using tournaments where the player manages to attain prize money. Look at DreamHack Valencia, there were 64 players competing but only 4 players earned any prize money. So if you played up to the Ro8 then you could have played a lot of games which were not included in this list because no prize money resulted. Another example is the MvP Invitational. There will be 48 competitors who play 50 maps or so and yet only one player will win any prize money for their efforts.

Something to note is that in that top 10, Stephano has been a full-time pro-gamer for a lot less time than the other players, less than half the time of some! This highlights how staggeringly quickly he has managed to accumulate prize money from SC2 tournaments.


I got the games played from TLPD, which includes tournaments where players get knocked out early and don't get any prize money. Basically the earning info is from sc2earnings and the game/tournament info is from TLPD, which includes all competitive games (online/offline, qualifiers, etc)

Stephano has played a LOT of competitive games considering how short he's been a pro and not even full time. Kinda crazy


OK, I've amended my post as it was incorrect.

If you have the time, perhaps look at Nerchio's data? He has an amazing amount of wins while still being a student. Incredible really.
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
September 27 2012 14:12 GMT
#47
nice concept man I hope you complete the list! Woulpd be interesting to see how the other EU top players do
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DKR
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom622 Posts
September 27 2012 14:16 GMT
#48
Really cool post. The MVP/Nestea efficiency thing compared to MKP is interesting.

Recommendation: average earnings per tournament per team whilst taking a sample of the top 5 earners per team for each team... at least for the foreigners in MLG/DH etc
"1 base. Cheese man." - MKP. "[MVP] is not stylistic, his style is winning, which is the style you want to have." - Artosis
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 14:38:45
September 27 2012 14:36 GMT
#49
Looking at the spreadsheet, Kas is down at $22.36 per game, Nerchio is at $35.57 per game with only international games counted (they haven't played much in Korea I think).
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
September 27 2012 14:37 GMT
#50
On September 27 2012 23:02 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 22:58 lichter wrote:
On September 27 2012 22:52 revel8 wrote:
Interesting stats right there.

Not sure you can really measure 'earning efficiency' in the way that you do, if you are only using tournaments where the player manages to attain prize money. Look at DreamHack Valencia, there were 64 players competing but only 4 players earned any prize money. So if you played up to the Ro8 then you could have played a lot of games which were not included in this list because no prize money resulted. Another example is the MvP Invitational. There will be 48 competitors who play 50 maps or so and yet only one player will win any prize money for their efforts.

Something to note is that in that top 10, Stephano has been a full-time pro-gamer for a lot less time than the other players, less than half the time of some! This highlights how staggeringly quickly he has managed to accumulate prize money from SC2 tournaments.


I got the games played from TLPD, which includes tournaments where players get knocked out early and don't get any prize money. Basically the earning info is from sc2earnings and the game/tournament info is from TLPD, which includes all competitive games (online/offline, qualifiers, etc)

Stephano has played a LOT of competitive games considering how short he's been a pro and not even full time. Kinda crazy


OK, I've amended my post as it was incorrect.

If you have the time, perhaps look at Nerchio's data? He has an amazing amount of wins while still being a student. Incredible really.


Nerchio isn't the only one.
Life/Creator/Maru are also prime example.
Play your best
Farone
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
September 27 2012 14:40 GMT
#51
stephano played so many small tournaments with low prize money , offcourse he played a lot more games
MC, Stephano, Ret, Jjakji, Grubby, Life, HerO, Scarlett, TaeJa
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
September 27 2012 15:41 GMT
#52
On September 27 2012 23:37 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 23:02 revel8 wrote:
On September 27 2012 22:58 lichter wrote:
On September 27 2012 22:52 revel8 wrote:
Interesting stats right there.

Not sure you can really measure 'earning efficiency' in the way that you do, if you are only using tournaments where the player manages to attain prize money. Look at DreamHack Valencia, there were 64 players competing but only 4 players earned any prize money. So if you played up to the Ro8 then you could have played a lot of games which were not included in this list because no prize money resulted. Another example is the MvP Invitational. There will be 48 competitors who play 50 maps or so and yet only one player will win any prize money for their efforts.

Something to note is that in that top 10, Stephano has been a full-time pro-gamer for a lot less time than the other players, less than half the time of some! This highlights how staggeringly quickly he has managed to accumulate prize money from SC2 tournaments.


I got the games played from TLPD, which includes tournaments where players get knocked out early and don't get any prize money. Basically the earning info is from sc2earnings and the game/tournament info is from TLPD, which includes all competitive games (online/offline, qualifiers, etc)

Stephano has played a LOT of competitive games considering how short he's been a pro and not even full time. Kinda crazy


OK, I've amended my post as it was incorrect.

If you have the time, perhaps look at Nerchio's data? He has an amazing amount of wins while still being a student. Incredible really.


Nerchio isn't the only one.
Life/Creator/Maru are also prime example.


Life/Creator and Maru are exceptional talents who are also very young and still at school. However Nerchio has won 10 times as many games as these players! More than 1160 wins for Nerchio compared to 90 odd wins for Creator! Nerchio has an amazing amount of wins relative to many other players.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
September 27 2012 15:46 GMT
#53
I think by this way of measuring things, Stephano gets actively punished for participating in daily/weekly tournaments. Even if he wins all of them, he'll still lose out.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
September 27 2012 15:53 GMT
#54
Interesting benchmark but I think $ per tournament is a better way of measuring efficiency than $ per game, for all the reasons people mentioned before.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
September 27 2012 15:54 GMT
#55
On September 28 2012 00:46 Grumbels wrote:
I think by this way of measuring things, Stephano gets actively punished for participating in daily/weekly tournaments. Even if he wins all of them, he'll still lose out.


He's got 190,000 reasons to get over it! I am sure he is pretty happy with how things have gone since turning pro!
Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
September 27 2012 16:11 GMT
#56
To be fair, Scarlett deserves a mention here. She actually breaks in on the list at second place.

Total earnings: $30250
Games played: 39
Earnings/game: $775,64
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
September 27 2012 16:45 GMT
#57
Lol, fruitdealer is the king!!
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
September 27 2012 16:46 GMT
#58
On September 28 2012 01:11 Appendix wrote:
To be fair, Scarlett deserves a mention here. She actually breaks in on the list at second place.

Total earnings: $30250
Games played: 39
Earnings/game: $775,64


Too few games.
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
September 27 2012 17:00 GMT
#59
On September 28 2012 01:11 Appendix wrote:
To be fair, Scarlett deserves a mention here. She actually breaks in on the list at second place.

Total earnings: $30250
Games played: 39
Earnings/game: $775,64

A lot of Scarlett's games aren't on liquipedia for some reason. She won both WCS Canada and US, but on TLPD there's only one series total from both events.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
September 27 2012 17:34 GMT
#60
Here's the earnings for the top 50. Scarlett is much lower in reality, because only 3 of her games from WCS are registered in TLPD, but that's where most of her earnings are from.

http://i.imgur.com/2Zq9I.png
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http://i.imgur.com/l0HBa.png
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