EPTEarnings Per Game - A diff way to look at earnings - Page 3
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 27 2012 22:44 Dosey wrote: It's a cool idea but I don't really like this kind of measurement because it really holds no merit in terms of accomplishment/skill. I mean, think of Leenock, who has gone from open bracket to win an MLG TWICE. I find that more impressive than someone being seeded directly into groups, winning 5 matches, and then taking down the finals because of a terrible extended series system. Yeah it doesn't really mean that much when you really think about it. Some people get seeded, some people have to play qualifiers. Some people climb up from obscurity, some people have been playing at the top a long time. The numbers are just interesting and make sense to think about, at least. Earning so much playing so little is still a great feat. Doesn't make them best player ever, obviously | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
One of the big influences in earning efficiency is prize money distribution at tournaments. Some tournaments pay out for just qualifying like WCS or GSL. Other only give prize money to the highest placing finishers. Look at DreamHack Valencia, there were 64 players competing but only 4 players earned any prize money. So if you played up to the Ro8 then you could have played a lot of games which were not included in this list because no prize money resulted. Another example is the MvP Invitational. There will be 48 competitors who play 50 maps or so and yet only one player will win any prize money for their efforts. Something to note is that in that top 10, Stephano has been a full-time pro-gamer for a lot less time than the other players, less than half the time of some! This highlights how staggeringly quickly he has managed to accumulate prize money from SC2 tournaments. There is a lot more tournaments this year and a lot more prize money up for grabs compared to last year, and I do wonder if this trend will continue next year. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 27 2012 22:52 revel8 wrote: Interesting stats right there. Not sure you can really measure 'earning efficiency' in the way that you do, if you are only using tournaments where the player manages to attain prize money. Look at DreamHack Valencia, there were 64 players competing but only 4 players earned any prize money. So if you played up to the Ro8 then you could have played a lot of games which were not included in this list because no prize money resulted. Another example is the MvP Invitational. There will be 48 competitors who play 50 maps or so and yet only one player will win any prize money for their efforts. Something to note is that in that top 10, Stephano has been a full-time pro-gamer for a lot less time than the other players, less than half the time of some! This highlights how staggeringly quickly he has managed to accumulate prize money from SC2 tournaments. I got the games played from TLPD, which includes tournaments where players get knocked out early and don't get any prize money. Basically the earning info is from sc2earnings and the game/tournament info is from TLPD, which includes all competitive games (online/offline, qualifiers, etc)  Stephano has played a LOT of competitive games considering how short he's been a pro and not even full time. Kinda crazy | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On September 27 2012 22:49 lichter wrote: Yeah it doesn't really mean that much when you really think about it. Some people get seeded, some people have to play qualifiers. Some people climb up from obscurity, some people have been playing at the top a long time. The numbers are just interesting and make sense to think about, at least. Earning so much playing so little is still a great feat. Doesn't make them best player ever, obviously Yeah, it's neat. I'm just saying that it doesn't really belong on something like SC2earnings because it holds no true merit and arguments will be made that X Player isn't good because his EPG doesn't compare to Y Player even though X has earned more than Y in a shorter period. People already use ridiculous statistics to make their arguments, there's no need to add more fuel to the fire. :/ | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On September 27 2012 22:58 lichter wrote: I got the games played from TLPD, which includes tournaments where players get knocked out early and don't get any prize money. Basically the earning info is from sc2earnings and the game/tournament info is from TLPD, which includes all competitive games (online/offline, qualifiers, etc) Stephano has played a LOT of competitive games considering how short he's been a pro and not even full time. Kinda crazy OK, I've amended my post as it was incorrect. If you have the time, perhaps look at Nerchio's data? He has an amazing amount of wins while still being a student. Incredible really. | ||
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
I hope you complete the list! Woulpd be interesting to see how the other EU top players do | ||
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DKR
United Kingdom622 Posts
Recommendation: average earnings per tournament per team whilst taking a sample of the top 5 earners per team for each team... at least for the foreigners in MLG/DH etc | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On September 27 2012 23:02 revel8 wrote: OK, I've amended my post as it was incorrect. If you have the time, perhaps look at Nerchio's data? He has an amazing amount of wins while still being a student. Incredible really. Nerchio isn't the only one. Life/Creator/Maru are also prime example. | ||
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Farone
Netherlands1219 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On September 27 2012 23:37 FakeDeath wrote: Nerchio isn't the only one. Life/Creator/Maru are also prime example. Life/Creator and Maru are exceptional talents who are also very young and still at school. However Nerchio has won 10 times as many games as these players! More than 1160 wins for Nerchio compared to 90 odd wins for Creator! Nerchio has an amazing amount of wins relative to many other players. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On September 28 2012 00:46 Grumbels wrote: I think by this way of measuring things, Stephano gets actively punished for participating in daily/weekly tournaments. Even if he wins all of them, he'll still lose out. He's got 190,000 reasons to get over it! I am sure he is pretty happy with how things have gone since turning pro! | ||
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Appendix
Sweden979 Posts
Total earnings: $30250 Games played: 39 Earnings/game: $775,64 | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On September 28 2012 01:11 Appendix wrote: To be fair, Scarlett deserves a mention here. She actually breaks in on the list at second place. Total earnings: $30250 Games played: 39 Earnings/game: $775,64 Too few games. | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On September 28 2012 01:11 Appendix wrote: To be fair, Scarlett deserves a mention here. She actually breaks in on the list at second place. Total earnings: $30250 Games played: 39 Earnings/game: $775,64 A lot of Scarlett's games aren't on liquipedia for some reason. She won both WCS Canada and US, but on TLPD there's only one series total from both events. | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
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