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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
May 22 2013 02:31 GMT
#541
Holy Ultras Batman. Both of these games have been monobattles and Apoc's rolled wrong twice.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 22 2013 02:31 GMT
#542
gogo glaaadde
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
greatZERG
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia755 Posts
May 22 2013 02:31 GMT
#543
Moooooooonglade!!!
stu >)
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
May 22 2013 02:31 GMT
#544
Moon-Glade Moon-Glade !
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
May 22 2013 02:31 GMT
#545
On May 22 2013 11:27 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 11:20 sAsImre wrote:
On May 22 2013 11:17 gobbledydook wrote:
On May 22 2013 11:16 sAsImre wrote:
On May 22 2013 11:13 Emzeeshady wrote:
On May 22 2013 11:09 InfamousOne wrote:
moonglade lost 48 drones to 0 at one point... but mech once again shows why all terran have to go bio...


Yet they continue to go mech. So do you think they are just stupid?


mecher in TvZ are definitely stupid or not skilled enough to play bio/mine efficiently (Strelok :D) if you constantly go mech you're just not gonna win a decent Z if he knows about it since you're going to get abused as hell.


The point of TvZ mech is to do a 3 base push that just kills the zerg; if he holds the push you have to transition into sky terran as soon as possible. Apocalypse did a half-assed job at transitioning so he lost.


3b pushes were pre hives timing that were so fking scary in wol. You can't 3b push a sh player so you just split map and turtle on akilon or newkirk and tech to sky T. Which is a 1000times less mechanically demanding than playing bio/mines/hellbat styles, as well as being a 1000times less efficient (hint look at strelok/TLO games...)
Mech can't work vZ on star station, even if apoc should have won because Moonglade couldn't defend the early game harass. But a strat which enable you to lose after killing 48drones isn't very good anyway...

I love how you think you have it all figured out, and use Strelok/TLO as proof as something not working.

As well as a game where a guy kills 48 drones yet does everything wrong after it.


if ppl knew you were meching you'd already got abused in WoL, it's even worse in hots with sh being another viable option (maru got wrecked by mass mutas because they were hidden in a corner and he moved out for a timing he thought was possible against an early 3rd, that kind of losses happen all the time when you're meching, they never happen with bio styles).
You just can't push against sh without going sky, as P or T. It's just not possible so you turtle up and it's even harder as a meching terran than as a P, not mentionning the sky transition is way smoother for the P (then bc and vray are both pretty good vs sh/corru composition). If the Z goes for sthg else, yes you play a standard wol game with the advantage of hellbats vs vipers if the Z rush his hive but it's more a micro battle than a macro battle.

This game explains pretty much why apoc tried mech tho :'(
Zest fanboy.
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
May 22 2013 02:32 GMT
#546
Fantasy GG timing
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
May 22 2013 02:32 GMT
#547
Yay Moonglade!

Is today longer than yesterday yet?
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 22 2013 02:33 GMT
#548
Apocalypse is going to have to study up unit counters for TvZ after this match. Thors against swarmhosts, marines against ultralisks.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
May 22 2013 02:33 GMT
#549
Apoc... gg already bro
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2633 Posts
May 22 2013 02:33 GMT
#550
Honest question. Is it just me or have foreigners been doing a lot better recently?

I remember a few months ago people were saying that the gap between the foreigners and the Koreans was getting bigger and bigger. But I feel like many foreigners have been showing really really amazing results lately and beating a lot of Koreans.
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
May 22 2013 02:33 GMT
#551
Moonglade just went full foreigner!
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 22 2013 02:33 GMT
#552
On May 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 11:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 22 2013 11:21 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 22 2013 11:17 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 22 2013 11:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:
[WCS AM] Ro16 Group B Premier
[image loading](T)Apocalypse vs [image loading] (Z)mOOnGLaDe
Game 2 (0-1)
Map: Whirlwind

0:00
Apocalypse spawns in the bottom left
mOOnGLaDe spawns in the bottom right

2:00
Hatch first for mOOnGLaDe
CC first on the high ground for Apocalypse
pool for mOOnGLaDe
rax for Apocalypse
gas for Apocalypse

3:00
drones queens and scvs

4:00
Factory for Apocalypse
reactor for Apocalypse

5:00
3rd CC for Apocalypse inside his main
Apocalypse takes his natural
bunker in the natural for Apocalypse
bunker blocking the potential 3rd of mOOnGLaDe

6:00
reactored hellion production started for Apocalypse
double evo for mOOnGLaDe
stim research started for Apocalypse

7:00
double widow mine production started for Apocalypse
2 more rax for Apocalypse
+1 carapace started for mOOnGLaDe
4 hellions drive into the natural of mOOnGLaDe

8:00
6 drones were killed before the hellions were cleaned up
Apocalypse takes his 3rd
baneling nest for mOOnGLaDe
+1 melee for mOOnGLaDe
Lair for mOOnGLaDe
double ebay Apocalypse
3rd base on the way for mOOnGLaDe
macro hatch for mOOnGLaDe

9:00
Starport for Apocalypse
1-1 started for Apocalypse
baneling speed started for mOOnGLaDe

10:00
spire for mOOnGLaDe
ling runby to the 3rd of Apocalypse but there werent really any scvs there
+2 carapace for mOOnGLaDe
4th base for mOOnGLaDe
combat shields for Apocalypse

11:00
+2 melee for mOOnGLaDe
armory for Apocalypse
Apocalypse moving out on to creep
medivacs out for Apocalypse
overlord speed for mOOnGLaDe
Apocalypse cleaning up some creep
lings and banelings move in and clean up Apocalypse's army

12:00
2-2 started for Apocalypse
Apocalypse scouts the 4th of mOOnGLaDe
hellbats started for Apocalypse
+1 flier attack for mOOnGLaDe

13:00
2nd factory for Apocalypse
mutas hit the main of Apocalypse and start killing the ebays
scvs are pulled to repair so mutas just kill the scvs
double drop at the 4th of mOOnGLaDe
double drop in the natural of mOOnGLaDe is cleaned up
4th of mOOnGLaDe is killed

14:00
4th CC for Apocalypse
infestation pit for mOOnGLaDe
4th base rebuilding for mOOnGLaDe
+1 vehicle weapons for Apocalypse

15:00
hellbat drop in the natural of mOOnGLaDe
Hive started for mOOnGLaDe
mOOnGLaDe sending lings forward to bait widow mines
mOOnGLaDe attacking into the natural

16:00
banelings roll all the way into the main of Apocalypse
4th of mOOnGLaDe is killed by a drop
4th of Apocalypse is killed by the attack

17:00
3-3 started for Apocalypse
mOOnGLaDe cleans up the drops from his 4th with his mutas
another factory for Apocalypse
2 CCs started for Apocalypse
supplies are equal
3-3 started for mOOnGLaDe
ultralisk cavern for mOOnGLaDe
5th base for mOOnGLaDe

18:00
hellbat drop in the natural of mOOnGLaDe
drop at the 4th of mOOnGLaDe
main army of Apocalypse cleaning up creep
4th of mOOnGLaDe dies
main armies engage
mOOnGlaDe holds off the attack but Apocalypse takes a 30 supply lead

19:00
ultralisks started for mOOnGLaDe
Chitinous plating started for mOOnGLaDe
Apocalypse takes his 4th base
hellbat drop in the natural of mOOnGLaDe killing more drones

20:00
PF morphing at apocalypse's 4th
full medivac is killed by mutas
drop at the 4th of mOOnGLaDe is cleaned up

21:00
Apocalypse cleaning up more creep
5th base for mOOnGLaDe
Apocalypse pushing the 4th of mOOnGLaDe
mOOnGLaDe engages
5th of mOOnGLaDe is getting dropped

22:00
utlras force apocalypse back
5th of mOOnGLaDe is killed
Ultraks kill the 4th of Apocalypse
mOOnGLaDe is 40 supply ahead
drop in the 3rd of mOOnGLaDe
mutas kill the medivac at the 3rd

23:00
Apocalypse floating out a new OC but the overlord blocks it with creep
pathogen glands for mOOnGLaDe
Hellbat drop at the 4th of mOOnGLaDe
5th base for mOOnGLaDe
overlords blocking almost all the bases left on the map
hellbat drop in the 4th is cleaned up

24:00
infestors started for mOOnGLaDe
marauders started for Apocalypse
hellbat dorp in the natural is clenaed up
Apocalypse floats his orbital to retake his 4th
mOOnGLaDe 20 supply ahead
13 ultras out for mOOnGLaDe
attack at the 4th of Apocalypse

25:00
Widow mines kill a bunch of ings but Apocalypse loses all of his transferring scvs
fungals hit the army of Apocalypse
Apocalypse losing everything
mOOnGLaDe 110 supply ahead
Ultras force the 3rd to lift
mutas killing floating orbitals

26:00
drop at the 3rd of mOOnGLaDe is cleaned up
Apocalypse on 41 supply vs 173
mutas fly to the top left base Apocalypse floated up there to kill it
drop in the 3rd of mOOnGLaDe
drop at the 4th of mOOnGLaDe

27:00
Apocalypse lands another OC at his 4th
drop at the 3rd of mOOnGLaDe again
ultras force the 4th of Apocalypse to lift
mOOnGLaDe still 100 supply ahead
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metzninja
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand626 Posts
May 22 2013 02:33 GMT
#553
Hi Fantasy...
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
May 22 2013 02:34 GMT
#554
On May 22 2013 11:33 Bagration wrote:
Apocalypse is going to have to study up unit counters for TvZ after this match. Thors against swarmhosts, marines against ultralisks.


it's hard to transition from those marines/hellbat build against ultras tho, he probably had 6rax reactored + 1tech lab so you're kinda screwed if you don't anticipate the switch.
in game 1 tho...
Zest fanboy.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 22 2013 02:34 GMT
#555
On May 22 2013 11:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 22 2013 11:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 22 2013 11:21 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 22 2013 11:17 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 22 2013 11:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:
[WCS AM] Ro16 Group B Premier
[image loading](T)Apocalypse vs [image loading] (Z)mOOnGLaDe
Game 2 (0-1)
Map: Whirlwind

0:00
Apocalypse spawns in the bottom left
mOOnGLaDe spawns in the bottom right

2:00
Hatch first for mOOnGLaDe
CC first on the high ground for Apocalypse
pool for mOOnGLaDe
rax for Apocalypse
gas for Apocalypse

3:00
drones queens and scvs

4:00
Factory for Apocalypse
reactor for Apocalypse

5:00
3rd CC for Apocalypse inside his main
Apocalypse takes his natural
bunker in the natural for Apocalypse
bunker blocking the potential 3rd of mOOnGLaDe

6:00
reactored hellion production started for Apocalypse
double evo for mOOnGLaDe
stim research started for Apocalypse

7:00
double widow mine production started for Apocalypse
2 more rax for Apocalypse
+1 carapace started for mOOnGLaDe
4 hellions drive into the natural of mOOnGLaDe

8:00
6 drones were killed before the hellions were cleaned up
Apocalypse takes his 3rd
baneling nest for mOOnGLaDe
+1 melee for mOOnGLaDe
Lair for mOOnGLaDe
double ebay Apocalypse
3rd base on the way for mOOnGLaDe
macro hatch for mOOnGLaDe

9:00
Starport for Apocalypse
1-1 started for Apocalypse
baneling speed started for mOOnGLaDe

10:00
spire for mOOnGLaDe
ling runby to the 3rd of Apocalypse but there werent really any scvs there
+2 carapace for mOOnGLaDe
4th base for mOOnGLaDe
combat shields for Apocalypse

11:00
+2 melee for mOOnGLaDe
armory for Apocalypse
Apocalypse moving out on to creep
medivacs out for Apocalypse
overlord speed for mOOnGLaDe
Apocalypse cleaning up some creep
lings and banelings move in and clean up Apocalypse's army

12:00
2-2 started for Apocalypse
Apocalypse scouts the 4th of mOOnGLaDe
hellbats started for Apocalypse
+1 flier attack for mOOnGLaDe

13:00
2nd factory for Apocalypse
mutas hit the main of Apocalypse and start killing the ebays
scvs are pulled to repair so mutas just kill the scvs
double drop at the 4th of mOOnGLaDe
double drop in the natural of mOOnGLaDe is cleaned up
4th of mOOnGLaDe is killed

14:00
4th CC for Apocalypse
infestation pit for mOOnGLaDe
4th base rebuilding for mOOnGLaDe
+1 vehicle weapons for Apocalypse

15:00
hellbat drop in the natural of mOOnGLaDe
Hive started for mOOnGLaDe
mOOnGLaDe sending lings forward to bait widow mines
mOOnGLaDe attacking into the natural

16:00
banelings roll all the way into the main of Apocalypse
4th of mOOnGLaDe is killed by a drop
4th of Apocalypse is killed by the attack

17:00
3-3 started for Apocalypse
mOOnGLaDe cleans up the drops from his 4th with his mutas
another factory for Apocalypse
2 CCs started for Apocalypse
supplies are equal
3-3 started for mOOnGLaDe
ultralisk cavern for mOOnGLaDe
5th base for mOOnGLaDe

18:00
hellbat drop in the natural of mOOnGLaDe
drop at the 4th of mOOnGLaDe
main army of Apocalypse cleaning up creep
4th of mOOnGLaDe dies
main armies engage
mOOnGlaDe holds off the attack but Apocalypse takes a 30 supply lead

19:00
ultralisks started for mOOnGLaDe
Chitinous plating started for mOOnGLaDe
Apocalypse takes his 4th base
hellbat drop in the natural of mOOnGLaDe killing more drones

20:00
PF morphing at apocalypse's 4th
full medivac is killed by mutas
drop at the 4th of mOOnGLaDe is cleaned up

21:00
Apocalypse cleaning up more creep
5th base for mOOnGLaDe
Apocalypse pushing the 4th of mOOnGLaDe
mOOnGLaDe engages
5th of mOOnGLaDe is getting dropped

22:00
utlras force apocalypse back
5th of mOOnGLaDe is killed
Ultraks kill the 4th of Apocalypse
mOOnGLaDe is 40 supply ahead
drop in the 3rd of mOOnGLaDe
mutas kill the medivac at the 3rd

23:00
Apocalypse floating out a new OC but the overlord blocks it with creep
pathogen glands for mOOnGLaDe
Hellbat drop at the 4th of mOOnGLaDe
5th base for mOOnGLaDe
overlords blocking almost all the bases left on the map
hellbat drop in the 4th is cleaned up

24:00
infestors started for mOOnGLaDe
marauders started for Apocalypse
hellbat dorp in the natural is clenaed up
Apocalypse floats his orbital to retake his 4th
mOOnGLaDe 20 supply ahead
13 ultras out for mOOnGLaDe
attack at the 4th of Apocalypse

25:00
Widow mines kill a bunch of ings but Apocalypse loses all of his transferring scvs
fungals hit the army of Apocalypse
Apocalypse losing everything
mOOnGLaDe 110 supply ahead
Ultras force the 3rd to lift
mutas killing floating orbitals

26:00
drop at the 3rd of mOOnGLaDe is cleaned up
Apocalypse on 41 supply vs 173
mutas fly to the top left base Apocalypse floated up there to kill it
drop in the 3rd of mOOnGLaDe
drop at the 4th of mOOnGLaDe

27:00
Apocalypse lands another OC at his 4th
drop at the 3rd of mOOnGLaDe again
ultras force the 4th of Apocalypse to lift
mOOnGLaDe still 100 supply ahead

28:00
widow mines hitting stuff as mOOnGLaDe walks around the map
Apocalypse repairing his burning orbitals

29:00
infestors walk over widow mines and 2 die
almost all of Apocalypse's marines get fungaled
Apocalypse ggs!
mOOnGLaDe wins 2-0!
Apocalypse falls to the challenger division
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 22 2013 02:34 GMT
#556
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?

Yes (7)
 
70%

If you have time (3)
 
30%

No (0)
 
0%

10 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?

Yes (6)
 
75%

No (1)
 
13%

If you have time (1)
 
13%

8 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


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metzninja
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand626 Posts
May 22 2013 02:34 GMT
#557
Gogogo you handsome devil :D
ArchangelJada
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada910 Posts
May 22 2013 02:34 GMT
#558
Foreigner are getting better, but there still a huge difference with top tier Koreans and most these WCS Eu / AM koreans, they aint no top tier Code S players for sure.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
May 22 2013 02:35 GMT
#559
On May 22 2013 11:33 EnderCraft wrote:
Moonglade just went full foreigner!


after snutes interview its a compliment
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
May 22 2013 02:35 GMT
#560
On May 22 2013 11:34 ArchangelJada wrote:
Foreigner are getting better, but there still a huge difference with top tier Koreans and most these WCS Eu / AM koreans, they aint no top tier Code S players for sure.


While true, a small victory is still a victory.
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