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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
October 13 2011 23:32 GMT
#481
Besides, dt roles plus defensive roles will win us this game. A couple KP roles will be handy to deal with the excess mafia, but on the whole the key to victory is investigative + defensive. Besides, the KP roles that are on the list are the ones least likely to be taken by mafia, and so have the highest likelyhood of still being around at the bottom of the draft.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
October 13 2011 23:34 GMT
#482
No players with the top picks should attempt to co-ordinate their roles with other high players. Upside for mafia in that scenario is far higher than the upside for town.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
October 13 2011 23:38 GMT
#483
On October 14 2011 08:30 Jackal58 wrote:
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On October 14 2011 08:24 JimboSilvers wrote:
Sorry, I've been busy in irc and forgotten to look at your plan in detail Rad, but my first thoughts looking though it are:

DT roles are not that useful to mafia (except in special cases like wbg pointed out) This means that they will be relatively easy to get. DT roles should NOT be prioritized in the top. I'd say maybe the low mid should grab these roles.

Top picks should be uber town roles and self defense (so that it's dangerous to shoot in there)

Mid-high picks should be KP, IF we want it.

I'll be back about an hour before the deadline to read more.

How do you figure? There are 3 different scum teams all trying to identify their competition. Each one of those teams will be trying to pick a DT role.


Well, there are very few situations where an investigative role is better for mafia than a KP role. Why bother investigating a player if you can just shoot him?

Role cop/Capitalist/etc are good roles for mafia though, as they allow them to find other strong roles(not alignments) and are good roles for co-ordinating with Assassin/thief/role swapper etc.

The pure detective roles like Parity Cop, NKVD and Bullet Bill are next to useless for mafia.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
October 13 2011 23:42 GMT
#484
BB may be but NKVD and Parity cop aren't.
Life can only kill you once.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 14 2011 00:37 GMT
#485
NKVD can be very useful for scum IMO.

Parity maybe not, BB has its uses.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 14 2011 00:52 GMT
#486
Radfield why put copy cat so low on the list? seems to me that that role should be prioritized very early on. iirc its what saved the town in pyp insane.
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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
October 14 2011 01:07 GMT
#487
Copy cat is a hit or miss role.

Also, there is no need for it to be high up on the list, as you might as well actually just grab a role if you are in the top picks.

Basically, Copy cat does not directly contribute to town winning. It may, but it doesn't necessarily. On the other hand, investigative + Defensive roles DO directly contribute to town winning, hence them being slotted higher.

Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
October 14 2011 01:42 GMT
#488
As a reminder, role selections are due in ~ 1.5 hours.
And so, we find the Sublime.
JimboSilvers
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom167 Posts
October 14 2011 02:08 GMT
#489
On October 14 2011 08:30 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 08:24 JimboSilvers wrote:
Sorry, I've been busy in irc and forgotten to look at your plan in detail Rad, but my first thoughts looking though it are:

DT roles are not that useful to mafia (except in special cases like wbg pointed out) This means that they will be relatively easy to get. DT roles should NOT be prioritized in the top. I'd say maybe the low mid should grab these roles.

Top picks should be uber town roles and self defense (so that it's dangerous to shoot in there)

Mid-high picks should be KP, IF we want it.

I'll be back about an hour before the deadline to read more.

How do you figure? There are 3 different scum teams all trying to identify their competition. Each one of those teams will be trying to pick a DT role.


Let's say you are mafia, and you pick a DT. Night one, you check someone, and they flip X. Can you give me an example where a bullet to the head would not give you the same info, or where any extra information would be useful? (There are like, two, and that is not enough to justify the role)

You could find the inventor, or you could kill the inventor, and find out that he is inventor on death. A KP role IS a info role for mafia, because they want everyone else dead in the end, so they don't care about finding out post-mortem.
JimboSilvers
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom167 Posts
October 14 2011 02:12 GMT
#490
EBWODP:

You might be able to use it for some blackmainling stuff, but again, KP will always be the better solution to a info role for mafia. (And prot is better for mafia then just getting half info, if they think that they can't get another KP role)
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
October 14 2011 02:49 GMT
#491
Jimbo is exactly right. Luckily there's not much time left so everyone's prolly sent in their picks already.

The reality is that there are 12 mafia and 16 townies. That is an absurdly ridiculous ratio. If I were mafia I'd take whatever kills as much as possible and just start massacring everything.

The only way the town can win is if the mafia shoot each other. If the mafia families suck then the town is screwed. (Actually, the last multiple-mafia-family game I was in ended in a tie thanks to late modkills and my medical prowess.)

I really hope the discussion caused mafia members to try to take investigative roles.
Cheese is good for you!
Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 03:30:12
October 14 2011 03:13 GMT
#492
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Day 1


Qatol the Lawyer has been assassinated by the good people from The Goldman Sachs while on a mission to bring the Darth Flamewheel to justice. Ver the NKVD agent has contracted Chezinuitis while attempting to view GMarshal's criminal records. Darth Flamewheel, CEO of The Goldman Sachs, has been exiled to Siberia after a failed attempt to buy the Incognito of America and is now conspiring with GMarshal the Capitalist to flood the American economy with smurfs and cause hyperinflation. Incognito of America yet again avoids dying in a Day 1 post, but is now vegetating in a wheelchair after being trampled by a wild buffalo. dreamflower the dreamflower has committed seppuku after realizing that she could not escape the ghost of Qatol.

Protactinium the Puppeteer has been impaled by a rake after an angry mob attacked him for making their eyes bleed out with blue, red, and green bold text.




You have 48 hours, or until 03:00 GMT (+00:00) on Saturday (2 days from now) to elect a mayor and a pardoner. Please vote in the appropriate voting thread, located here. If I missed pm'ing you your role, please let me know ASAP. Also from this point on I will not tolerate inactivity so be warned!

BarBaPoPPa is a smurf account and cannot be targeted by any actions. His vote does not count in the actual vote tally.
And so, we find the Sublime.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
October 14 2011 03:27 GMT
#493
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Chaoser For Mayor!


I will hunt every scum down. My record in XXXVIII, XXXIX and LOTR speaks for itself. I will lead this town to victory. Vote Chaoser.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 03:34:24
October 14 2011 03:33 GMT
#494
On October 14 2011 12:13 Protactinium wrote:
Qatol the Lawyer has been assassinated ... the ghost of Qatol.


Hey you missed one!
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
October 14 2011 03:40 GMT
#495
Suppose I don't trust in putting power in people based purely on past performances. What will you do for us this game? What's your plan? Who will you lynch day 1? Why would you make a better mayor than, say Jimbo? (I bring him up because he has said that he will run)
whole lies with a half smile
JimboSilvers
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom167 Posts
October 14 2011 03:41 GMT
#496
Sorry if this wasn't supposed to mention this earlier, but i too will run.
JimboSilvers
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom167 Posts
October 14 2011 03:42 GMT
#497
EBWODP:
English fail.
"Sorry if this wasn't supposed to be mentioned earlier, but I will reaffirm that I am running."
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
October 14 2011 03:45 GMT
#498
My Candidacy.
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P.S., this game took too long to start. :p
you gotta dance
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
October 14 2011 03:53 GMT
#499
I would like to nominate the 3 most active and protown people as of right now, and that would be:

Sandroba
Jumbo
Radfield

All three put a lot of effort into organizing town so far. By putting them in public office, We pressure them to keep up there performance. Of the three, I like Sand and Rad the most, Jumbo the least.

chaoser or wiggles dont have a platform, so i see no reason to elect them. They could change my mind, if they give me a reason to.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 14 2011 03:59 GMT
#500
KENPACHI ES #1



Im motherfucking Kenpachi and im here to serve as the most faithful bodybag you will ever encounter. I will run for mayor and win because im just that awesome. That is the main fuel that will drive my election, my awesomeness.

Some convincing numbers:
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-9004286945924!

-Every game where Kenpachi was lynched ended up in Mafia's win. (EVERY <-- Highest number in the world. might be too convincing)

-Played very many games (very many <--- Really big number but not the highest number in the world)

-Experienced in winning and won some games (yes. i really did win some games!)

-Always lost as Mafia (Always is a very small number though)

-100% accuracy with KP vs Mafia (fuck yeah)

-359 Normal games won in League of Legends!

-7218 Posts on Teamliquid!

-And more convincing numbers!


Vote for Kenpachi to ensure him complete invincibility!! Don't let the mafia touch him!!
Forever Kenpachi Nation! Fuck Lancasters, Fuck Yorks, Fuck Tudors.
Real srs party yo. Join the Kenpachi Party today!
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
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