EPTTL Mafia 'Area' LIII - Page 24
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[UoN]Sentinel
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Mattchew
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On April 22 2012 11:05 Mattchew wrote: Visceraeyes is still looking scummy too. he needs to start making sense of his nonsense case or I will vote him to be lynched. Gonzaw you've given a list of like 5 to lynch today, 2 of which I agree with VE and St Daniel, 1 of which I haven't read enough into (sent, I'm still on my phone and he's been posting a lot) and 2 which I dont agree with (myself, duh, and risen, cause of meta). You asked people to look into paqman's case on me which revolves around me not talking about your plan in the thread and then he calls me actively lurking less than like 24 hours into the game. do you actualy believe this crap? On April 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote: Why would i partake in a conversation that I don't care at all about? You were actively lurking. You've admitted it yourself and I don't understand why you're going to make me spell it out to you for the fourth time. PAY ATTENTION PLZ. You purposely refused to partake in D1 discussion, an obvious anti-town move. In doing that, you're able to avoid taking a stance on the issue. Anti-town. By avoiding the discussion, you don't have to create an opinion. Anti-town. What have you done that's pro-town? NOTHING. And everything that you've done has anti-town motives. Why nobody has yet to see this is beyond me. do you actualy believe this crap? The proof's right there buddy ^^^ | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
I refused to discuss the vig claims because I DONT CARE, i'll let people read me on other things like my scum reads and my other discussions. I don't care if vigs claim or not, I care about lynching scum, if thats anti town in your mind, fine. I "avoided" the discussion to push my scum read and give an opinion on someone - remind me how thats anti-town? You keep cutting my quotes out of context, like my do believe this crap, was based on me dispelling your obviously bad "case" in the same paragraph | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
I scim thread I will read tommorrow,. it seems like saame old people aruguing like blahj blaj and everyon else is like fuck you im not gunna post shit./ like seriosuly the lurkers are laughing or are just bad, at this game also blazingjitse, more like fucking blazhing hand c u 2morrow | ||
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Mementoss
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johnnywup
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 22 2012 12:27 Mementoss wrote: EBWOP Bill muraary more like fuck that guy, hes like im not even gunna try regarless or aliugnment,. its lieka kepnachi so yeah read into him tommorrow not true at all | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On April 22 2012 11:51 Mattchew wrote: I was not actively lurking and I never admitted that? I refused to discuss the vig claims because I DONT CARE, i'll let people read me on other things like my scum reads and my other discussions. I don't care if vigs claim or not, I care about lynching scum, if thats anti town in your mind, fine. I "avoided" the discussion to push my scum read and give an opinion on someone - remind me how thats anti-town? You keep cutting my quotes out of context, like my do believe this crap, was based on me dispelling your obviously bad "case" in the same paragraph OMG you're missing the point. It doesn't matter WHY you wouldn't discuss. It's the fact that you PURPOSELY REFUSE to participate in active discussion. You avoided the ENTIRE topic of discussion just so you could push your FoS that barely had any effort put into it! I realize that you don't care and that's the kind of anti-town attitude I'm calling you out on. This whole time you have done NOTHING pro-town, NOTHING helpful at all. And your actions since game start have been ANTI-TOWN. There's no denying it. I refused to discuss the vig claims because I DONT CARE, i'll let people read me on other things like my scum reads and my other discussions. WTF? What scum reads? What other discussion? What the hell are you talking about? You haven't been discussing JACK-DIDDILY-SQUAT. The ONLY thing you've been trying to do is defend yourself from me with the exact. same. argument. + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote: I am a suspicious of VE because he seems to be convinced by very little that you are scum. I am still suspicious of Paqman because he has seemed to tunnel me because he was pressured. I am suspicous of St Daniel because that first post was fucking terrible. I'm less suspicous of marv but I do like the players pushing him (laya and blazing) as they seem townie to me. You call that scumhunting? You have another post just like this where all you do is speculate, BUT WHERE'S THE HUNTING ? + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote: As I said before in the thread I don't like to discuss or direct blues. Why would i partake in a conversation that I don't care at all about? Instead I am actively trying to find scum, not yelling at everyone that disagrees with me and calling them scummy like you, VE, Risen, and Paqman. + Show Spoiler + False. I have not seen you put any effort into finding scum, besides a couple of weak FoS's. On April 22 2012 10:52 Mattchew wrote: do you actually think before you post? You have tried to call me out for not taking a stance, yet in this game I immediately took a stance on something I cared about, finding scum. + Show Spoiler + False. I have yet to see you take a real stance on someone being scum. Seriously, go back and read your posts. Tell me a name that you have taken a REAL SCUM STANCE ON! There's LITERALLY nobody that you've formed a real scum opinion on. + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 02:31 Mattchew wrote: I am null on VE, I am hoping that whatever he is doing will become more evident as the day goes on, cause right now he just looks like he is tunneling a little. Layabout just mentioned all the lurkers, I have already said I'm down with a BM lynch (a little less now that Paqman said that too). How do you go from that^^ to: On April 22 2012 11:05 Mattchew wrote: Visceraeyes is still looking scummy too. he needs to start making sense of his nonsense case or I will vote him to be lynched. This^^ Your "scumhunting" is so flippidy-floppidy wishy-washy that you CANT TAKE A SINGLE STANCE ON SOMEONE. TL;DR Mattchew is SCUM who isn't contributing JACK to Town. He's making all these weird-ass excuses such as "scumhunting", when he still has yet to produce a single SOLID opinion on someone. I'm begging you guys to digest this shit and try to prove me wrong. Someone TRY to prove that Mattchew isn't scum because he certainly can't do it himself. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
If you stop being stupid you will do yourself and town a favor. since when do cases have to be 3 pages long. I have said why I think those players are scummy and who I would be ok lynching day 1... STOP BM ninja voted VE Fuck that ##vote Bill Murray | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
Do town and yourself a favor and try to hunt scum like you so claimed to be doing? | ||
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PaqMan
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PaqMan
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Mattchew
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instead, i just recommend you switch to BM | ||
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johnnywup
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Mattchew
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johnnywup
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Mattchew
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PaqMan
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On April 22 2012 07:13 slOosh wrote: slOosh's "VisceraEyes is scum" case. First item: VE's rebuttal of Gonzaw's plan.. Notice how VE does not actually discuss the pros and cons of the plan itself, but instead chooses to only talk about how unfeasible it is based solely on the idea of a non-cooperative JK (which might not even exist). His point by point breakdown ,which he says is for "ease of comprehension", is actually an excuse to set up strawmen, as he avoids talking about the plan itself but rather nitpicks at each point on inconsequential points. Go read the post. If you can honestly see any of the points being valid discussion of gonzaw's plan, then let's discuss that. But all I see is "analysis" used as an excuse to paint gonzaw in a bad light. No actual valid points. Second item: VE's "scumslip" catch If you look at gonzaw's post in question, you will see that he consistently uses plural pronouns "we", and so it would be totally natural to use "our" to describe the plan. Yet VE chooses to vote after catching this "scumslip", rather than demonstrating to town how gonzaw is proposing an anti-town agenda in the giant "analysis" of his rebuttal. Third item: VE's evasion when asked for clarification The post linked is the start of the evasion. Watch how Ottoxlol brings up how VE's rebuttal doesn't make much sense, and multiple times VE evades it without really wanting to flesh out his reasoning and discuss his stance. Townies aren't scared to discuss their stances - only mafia are scared of scrutiny as they fear their scum agenda being revealed. More prodding and VE gives this "explanation" To which Ottoxlol points out how illogical that is Final item: VE's apathy, misrepresentation and fearmongering (no link as there are 2 quotes) Note how VE clearly has a stance (thinks gonzaw's plan is ridiculous and terrible) but doesn't actually move to help explain and convince town why it is bad. Instead, it is like "you guys do what you want, I don't advise it, it is clearly pro scum, but you guys decide if you want to do it or not". Why wouldn't a townie be more vocal and start convincing people why it is bad if they truly believed it was pro scum agenda? Why would they be so apathetic? Fearmongering comes in the first line - it is true that this plan outs our vigs, but really - to say that it "gives scum all the information they need" is quite the exaggeration, and as discussed by others, the information isn't that valuable (cf. Ottoxlol's post in my third point). Misrepresentation is in the last line - gonzaw thinks that VE is scum because of his apathy and focus on irrelevant points and lack of proper scumhunting. (here and here) Again, he hasn't bothered to explain why this information is detrimental to town, and is instead misinterpreting it to make it seem like scum agenda. His whole beef is centered on how this plan outs our vigs, but he has never bothered explaining why that is bad, and intentionally does not acknowledge how it is different from other mass claims because it is actually 1) only making vigs claim, and 2) vigs have the death miller mechanic, which is the crux of gonzaw's plan. Conclusion: VisceraEyes has displayed a lack of scumhunting, misrepresentation of facts, fearmongering, evasion, apathy to town agenda and illogical arguments. Therefore, he must be scum. ##Vote VisceraEyes I am a non-cooperative Jailkeeper. I'm reading through the thread now, but before you put any more thought into a case against me, my view on gonzaw's plan was skewed from the viewpoint of a non-cooperative JK because I am a non-cooperative JK. I don't want vigs to claim because I don't feel like surrendering my power for town's use. I just did that same thing in Space Station Mafia and I didn't want to do it this game. Now, I understand that claiming does has this exact same effect, so I guess we're at a stalemate. The good news is, I'm town and now that I'm back I intend to help find scum. ^^ /salute | ||
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