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Chromatically
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Lie about his anger Town motivation: none Scum motivation: screwed up the explanation because the anger was faked in the first place Martyr Town motivation: none, far more likely that he just explains Scum motivation: knows he can't explain, so he acts emotional to get people to switch | ||
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Chromatically
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Umasi
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Rainbows
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On July 13 2013 14:04 Chromatically wrote: Rainbows still hasn't given an opinion on Stim... He's a crash-and-burn scenario and really could flip either way. His actions were reckless and didn't make much sense to me but -- scum don't want to attract that much attention to themselves. I suppose he has that going for him. On July 13 2013 15:25 Umasi wrote: Is anyone around to chat it up with? Sup? | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
So I remember reading the mafia you were in (you were vig, tunneled ravens) but don't remember much about the specific scenario that played out with your rage quit. How much of this is reminiscant of what you did? Do you think there's a comparison at all to be made? | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
868 Posts
First thoughts: This fits StiM's playbook to a letter. The self-vote and martyring happened in XLII. Unfortunately, this happened while he was Town, so this doesn't really tell us anything. I like that there are other reasons for the votes (haven't done proper analysis yet), but I strongly encourage people to not interpret StiM on tilt as a scumtell. Going back now to read the entire train of thought in context now: Early on, StiM breaks down why he thought the kirby jokepost wasn't credible. (This elicits a big eyeroll, but is pretty benign albeit unnecessary). + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:25 StiMaDDict wrote: @Rainbow Also my read on jrkirby is null. This is a response to a request for elaboration from Rainbow. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 07:41 jrkirby wrote: Ok. I've been studying this long and hard, and I think I have enough evidence to make a clear case. hzflank is scum Clearly, hzflank is lying about this compliment. Liars are always scum. And look who he's talking to: the scum coach. Obviously he's in league with them. He goes on, still talking to the scum: This is an obvious admission that he wants town to die. Anyone who wants town to die is scum, end of story. I will. Right here, right now. Pregame posts when people didn't even get their role pm are evidence to his case. Do I need to say more? Not sure where he is going with this one.. He hasn't even fucking got his role pm and he's joking around pregame. ok.. + Show Spoiler + And for his first post: He's trying to get us to sheep together and follow a Bandwagon instead of looking for evidence and finding scum. Finally: Trying to defend one of the scum who is planning to lurk. You can't ignore all this evidence guys. hzflank is scum. ##Vote: hzflank I am not trying to defend hzflank in any shape or form however I do not agree with jrkirby's "read" on hzflank's post and I do not think it was alignment indicative. Again I do not think this post point hzflank as a scum. Then comes the massive over-reaction: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:25 StiMaDDict wrote: Another thing that is annoying the fuck out of me is that how Rainbow "interpreted" my post. This is what I wrote. Explanation: I find a pressure vote to be a strategy for some people. It works sometimes but not all the times. jrkirby's "case" really is not something of content to be honest. I assumed that it was pressure vote to get some discussions going. So that is what I said. As for the second sentence, his "case" is really fucking bullshit, so there are two possibilities. Either he is joking around or he suck at scumhunting. Now let's look at how Rainbow made me sound like. Scummy? Yes, I did give jkirby's post a reason but I didn't doubt it. If I had said it was a joke vote and he didn't seem to be a joker, your statement makes sense. I said pressure vote and nothing more. I didn't fucking say it was odd. Jesus, give me a break. I NEVER FUCKING SAID IT WAS SUSPICIOUS. Note to all: + Show Spoiler + btw, I'm really trying to stay active. Sometimes I write really slow and I might be answering something that is couple of pages back. Sometimes I write one liners. My bad. + Show Spoiler + If you don't like it, well fuck you I've read that post ten times, and can't really glean anything meaningful other than that StiM is in full-on turtle-up Defend Self At All Costs mode. Not necessarily a scumtell in a newbie game, I guess. I mean, who wants to die? Still, odd. Chromatically notes that one of these posts sits very oddly with him (I'd guess it's the second one), but StiM's next post is one defending me / going after Kirby: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:30 StiMaDDict wrote: Seriously man.. this is the best you can do? If he has scum post, big deal. For all we know THIS could be his scum post. Who knows. Is this your first game jrkirby? So early in the game, I have felt pressure from Kirby and Chrom, while receiving unsolicited White Knighting from Umasi and StiM. (Side note: If there's some crazy mafia play floating around out there to chum up to me to make me look scummy after you guys flip Red, that's a losing strategy, boys.) Important post from hz regarding StiM flipping out while everyone else interpreted the jokepost as a joke: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:58 hzflank wrote: The first thing to note is that Stim was unsure of whether Jrkirby's post was a joke or not. Stim reacted very different than everyone else did, but this could be because he viewed it as semi-serious while everyone else viewed it as a joke. After that Stim tries to defend himself. Again Stim's reaction seems odd at first, but normal if you consider that Stim thinks the original case was serious. Stim is posting in an aggressive manner but that is more of a personality tell than an alignment tell. I cannot help but be wish-washy here and conclude: I am eager to see more from Stim because I have absolutely no read on his alignment at this point. Immediately, the first thing I thought of was that there is no way in hell the scum QT would let him continue ranting and raving like this. They would have told him immediately to chill out and claim he was joking too, or something. Bolding because this is the first real revelation I've had on this case. If someone can provide a logical answer to the above, I'd appreciate it. Re: If StiM was Scum, would scum have really let him react this poorly and dig his own grave for this long? Moving on: Rainbow seems to be sheeping Chromatically's pressure on StiM a bit. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:01 Rainbows wrote: And then someone else words it better than I can. Bravo. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:03 Rainbows wrote: The reason I thought it scummy. It's hard to say how I thought about it, but then again I post rather sporadically with random thoughts. Finally getting to the part where StiM starts posting about whether or not he was mad. Chromatically seems to be leading this attack. StiM gets tripped up trying to explain whether he was mad or pretending to be mad. None of this comes of making StiM look good. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 12:59 StiMaDDict wrote: Edit: If this is what you came up with, then gg wp. Not really motivating to play anymore really. .... and then he takes his ball and goes home. Color me baffled. Could be town (like I said, he has proven he's willing to vote himself and go on tilt really easily), but definitely could be scum panicking. Moreso, I'm offended by his implication that the onus is on US to keep HIM entertained and willing to play this game. Then Umasi joins the bandwagon: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 13:06 Umasi wrote: Looking at it as stim is scum, it feels like he's trying to buddy him up as he has him read as a threat. This reads to me as trying to assuage a concern someone would have with it before someone talked about it. And seriously, why would you even bother doing that? It's not motivating to play because you don't have perma town cred? Expect people to think you're scum, or not guaranteed town. Like, why is it gg? If I remember you said Chrom was a solid scumhunter. It's actually up there in this post Don't omgus out of the fucking game, because that is not pro town, not defensible, and a surefire way to be lynched. And if you're town, that's obviously bad, because you're directly hurting town, wasting our time and not scumhunting. If you're scum, that's ALSO an awful idea, because you're just saccing yourself. Basically, rethink this and ignore what chrom has said about you and go contribute as much as you can in a protown way to turn opinions around, not just complain "I don't like people thinking I'm scum" You are now a priority to figure out over Superfluous, although I still am looking at Superfluous. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE StiMadDDict The first two 'reasons' reek of confirmation bias, and don't hold any weight for me. It could be construed as a scum Umasi hopping on a surefire bandwagon, but I have no confidence based on his earlier play that this poor play is inconsistent with a Town Umasi. Other valuable thoughts to avoid Quadposting: - I disagree with Superfluous' opinion on policy about No Lynch Day 1's, but the similarities to the Aqua - NN Claim issue is so striking I actually laughed aloud. My gut read was 'he's scum, day 1 lynch is the best play', but now I realize how the people pushing for Aqua's lynch Day 1 felt! - Umasi really rushed to my defense early and often which leaves me with a weird scummy feeling for some reason. Kirby and Chrom were pressuring me, but they weren't firing fastballs. I feel like I explained myself well, but Umasi's intrusion made the whole exchange way more combative than I felt it deserved. Right now, my nightmare is that Umasi flips scum, and people link him to me via these early exchanges, leading to my own mislynch. - Combining these two thoughts, Umasi then votes Superfluous for his 'scummy as crap' Day 1 No Lynch post (which I have explained in bullet point #1 I think is wrong, but not scummy). - People are being too hard on lurkers (especially people who posted at the game start and then disappeared). It's talk that doesn't move the game forward because it's a freaking Friday Night. Umasi's supporting 'evidence' (i.e. he's lurking) on Superfluous is what inspired this bulletpoint, pointed out nicely by hz: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:42 hzflank wrote: I think Jrkirby's and Sponge's opening posts had the same motivation: to get discussion moving. Both have done this and we have multiple discussions taking place. Since then, Sponge did a little coaching. Sponge has come under pressure from multiple people (for his opening post), and has dealt with it while being reasonably open. The only time that he has not been open is by refusing to post the other version of his opening post. Sponge did a little coaching again as he tried to stop Umasi from defending him. So far my read on Sponge has moved very slightly towards town. Since his opening, Jrkirby has attacked Sponge for his opening post, and done nothing else. That's fine because it is early and Jrkirby is pushing to get a reaction from someone. This is not scummy to me, null read. Umasi has defended Hurricane, which cannot be viewed as scummy at this point. Umasi has attacked Superfluous. I would say that this attack could be scummy as it is based on nothing, but it could just be to get Super to post more (he only has one post). Umasi then repeats that he thinks Super's post is scummy and votes for him. The problem I have with this is that Umasi claims Super's only post was scummy, when I do not think that it was. If Umasi was looking for a reaction then I do not understand why he posted: How was Super's post scummy as crap? I do not think that Umasi is looking for scum, and if he is not just fishing for Super to respond then I think that Umasi is just looking for a neutral place to put his early vote. Unlike Jrkirby's, Umasi's vote is not a troll vote. I have a slight scum read on Umasi. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:56 Umasi wrote: He came in, emphasized his newness to the game, and it felt like he was giving excuses for not posting, not reasons. (I realize that they're extremely similar, but I think it's a matter of tone) the timing he came in at (right when we brought up lurkers) to be like "I'm trying not to lurk" is just kind of......weird? I think it's out of place and scummy. Unlike hz, however, I think these are just bad reads and bad play. Could be scum, of course, but it could equally likely be town. Still some good content, on my radar, and I'm glad hz pointed it out. Chromatically chimes in later with a post on Superfluous saying he has tried to not 'rock the boat' (which is exactly what he did with the No Lynch position he took): + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:59 Chromatically wrote: Superfluous looks really bad, he's been apologetic in his posts (not trying to rock the boat) and has only said what others have already said. It looks like he's trying hard to find anything to post about because he wants to look active. It's extremely odd that he specifically points out Cloud-9 as opposed to any of the other players who haven't posted. This shows pretty clearly that he's not trying at all to find scum, he doesn't even know who hasn't posted. Also looking at Kirby. Lurkers be lurking. Yet more Superfluous pressure from Umasi.... the tunnel is on?: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 11:02 Umasi wrote: The difference here, is that he's ...... like hard to articulate. He is lurking, and pops in to post a comment at such a WEIRD time like, immediately when the conversation mentions lurkers compared to otherwise contributing thoughts. I think Super is the best choice atm, but I'm by no means positive. Just hit this post by Superfluous that set off real scumbells for me: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote: As I said I just skimmed over after returning. Cloud 9 was a name I didn't see when comparing the posts I saw to the player list, so I pointed it out. And I have been trying to get something to talk about other than what seem to be mini discussions between certain people. I also don't get why you're attacking me saying "I'm not trying to find scum". In my own post I said that I was going to look it over again and get reads, obviously meaning that I hadn't looked that hard for scum yet. Right now my biggest scum read is HZflank, because I still think Umasi is doing mostly pro town moves yet hz says its scummy. If it pushes to me actually being lynched I think that I'd still feel this way. He also had an early post or two that distracted somewhat from the discussion, which I'm always suspicious of. I'll give nightcat benefit of the doubt. It's a bit weird he showed up once his name came up but eh. I realize thats not really a great reason but seems like we're in semi-similar situations. Xzavier I'm more suspicious of, he didnt have many posts then in his first one he shows up saying he'll consider lynching me. It's really scummy play to lurk then show up ready to lynch imo. I completely disagree with many significant points on this post (thinking Xzavier's post is scummy, finding one lurker scummier than the other, deciding Umasi is town because he's tunneling someone). It almost seems like he's OMGUS'ing hz because of the pressure on Umasi? Seems like a viable scumbuddy tactic: Call out in the QT for someone to defend you so you don't have to get into a shitfight yourself. @Chrom: Can you explain what this post means? On July 13 2013 13:23 Chromatically wrote: If everyone who just randomly popped out to soft call me sum could actually give their opinions on the situation, that'd be great. I also have a nitpick with this post: On July 13 2013 14:04 Chromatically wrote: Yes, we'll technically never be able to totally disprove the possibility that Stim is town. It's just far less likely. Look at what Stim has done. Lie about his anger Town motivation: none Scum motivation: screwed up the explanation because the anger was faked in the first place Martyr Town motivation: none, far more likely that he just explains Scum motivation: knows he can't explain, so he acts emotional to get people to switch I feel like the anger was definitely real, and StiM was trying play play Mr. Cool Cat by claiming that he was really in control the whole time, and just pretended to be angry. Still not clear what that motivation could have been, but the above 2x2 leaves out some key points and I feel you're making a bit more assumptions that you usually do... | ||
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Rainbows
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On July 13 2013 15:38 Umasi wrote: nothing much. Thread was stagnant because nighttime, but w.e. So I remember reading the mafia you were in (you were vig, tunneled ravens) but don't remember much about the specific scenario that played out with your rage quit. How much of this is reminiscant of what you did? Do you think there's a comparison at all to be made? It's reminiscent and not much else. I trolled early on then made cases on a few people (who turned out to be scum). People didn't like my cases and told me i trolled to much and that having fun was bad. So i said fuck you guys, roleclaimed, and tunneled obv scum the entire game. Stim is just being stupid =\ | ||
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Rainbows
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Umasi
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It wasn't so much be saying you were town as it was me saying "you guys are stupid for having these reasons that you have." It was me throwing out ornery commentary. In response to your question though~ What makes you think the scum team acts as like, a hivemind? We're all awful, so it's not like he would be given advice by gods. Moreover, it's entirely possible his coach just wasn't around, or his other scum team members weren't around. Just my thoughts, I think that debating what's happening in the scum qt is not relevant. Well, it's relevant, but not like....... What do we get out of it? How do we lynch someone if we always say "well they shouldn't be scummy because there's other scum to tell them how to not be scummy." that's what confuses me, I guess. | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
868 Posts
On July 13 2013 15:43 Rainbows wrote: Sponge, I started the whole Stim thing. Chrom just questioned both of us then pooped all over him with it :p Chrom has made a couple missteps that I would consider 'uncharacteristic'. At the very least, they are poor play I did not expect from him. 1. His enthusiasm to lynch StiM after the blow-up (surely we can all see that it was more likely immature and pissy play from StiM and alignment-independent) contained logical leaks and overblows the importance of whether StiM lied about being mad or not. 2. Saying Superfluous was trying to not 'make waves' when he was the lone voice speaking up for an unpopular policy (Day 1 No Lynch) More importantly, when viewed as a whole, the bolded section above is a big stop sign on my vote to lynch StiM: Why would scum not alert StiM that everyone and their mother knew the jokepost was a joke and let him carry on in this manner? He'd have to be willfully disobeying his team, or (more likely) flying solo. If someone can give me a satisfactory answer to that, I'd feel much better about a StiM lynch. | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
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On July 13 2013 15:50 Umasi wrote: Sponge, why do you think I was white knighting you? It wasn't so much be saying you were town as it was me saying "you guys are stupid for having these reasons that you have." It was me throwing out ornery commentary. In response to your question though~ What makes you think the scum team acts as like, a hivemind? We're all awful, so it's not like he would be given advice by gods. Moreover, it's entirely possible his coach just wasn't around, or his other scum team members weren't around. Just my thoughts, I think that debating what's happening in the scum qt is not relevant. Well, it's relevant, but not like....... What do we get out of it? How do we lynch someone if we always say "well they shouldn't be scummy because there's other scum to tell them how to not be scummy." that's what confuses me, I guess. In general, you're totally right. But this one seems like it's such a gimme. Let's just say if StiM does flip red, I'm going to pushing to lynch people who lurked (afk'd) the early game. Because if I were on the scum team and one of my teammates started posting what StiM did, I'd have been in perma all caps mode in that Scum QT within the first 30 seconds of his post when he started taking the jokepost seriously. I hate that this is going to be construed as the 'too scummy to be scum' argument, because it's not. It's a very specific thought experiment involving motivated players at a public deadline (Gamestart). | ||
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Umasi
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No one knows what's going on in the scum qt well, scum knows but it's not like they'd ever fucking tell us. So why do we care? Don't give people free passes because they should be playing better than they are~~~~ On July 13 2013 08:33 Superfluous wrote: While I agree that we should lynch someone if they are super scummy, I'd like to point out that voting for no lynch is an option. Assuming I'm interpreting the rules/setup right, mafia only has 1 kp so there's no immediate motive for lynching such as reducing kp. It may be a stronger play to not lynch and hope that cop(if there is one) gets a turn to check before lynch. It is a risk though because I believe we are not guaranteed to have a cop. Just an idea I wanted to throw out and get your guys' thoughts on. It's such a nonfactor in anything, the entrance. Idk why he'd even talk about it here, I think that what he said, his entrance, was scummy, because of the way it just kinda let the thread wash over him. He didn't talk about anything specific, he just vaguely talked about policy. He starts by agreeing with the consensus, then is like "hm maybe not?" But what else does he say? That looks like he's trying to let something blow over. I may be suspicious of people because they're not very assertive, but jeez, people should be more assertive. Rather, I wish everyone would just post what's on their fucking minds, compared to trying to live. Well, scum can try to live because it's obvious when someone posts to live, but I hate how often it seems like townies selectively post to live. | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
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Rainbows
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1) Hzflank 2) StiMaDDict 3) Chromatically 4) Jrkirby 5) Koshi 6) Xzavier 7) Rainbows 8) Nightcat99 9) Umasi 10) Gotard 11) Hurricane Sponge 12) Superfluous 13) Cloud-9 | ||
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Umasi
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From your post, I got the gist that it'd be Superfluous or me. Is that correct? | ||
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Umasi
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On July 13 2013 16:02 Rainbows wrote: Spent the past while doing this. Put it in the OP, or face my wrath. 1) Hzflank 2) StiMaDDict 3) Chromatically 4) Jrkirby 5) Koshi 6) Xzavier 7) Rainbows 8) Nightcat99 9) Umasi 10) Gotard 11) Hurricane Sponge 12) Superfluous 13) Cloud-9 MAKING FAKE CONTRIBUTIONS TO APPEAR TOWNIE jkjk thanks man haha | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
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On July 13 2013 16:02 Umasi wrote: Alright, here, hurricane. Who do you think is worth voting at this time? From your post, I got the gist that it'd be Superfluous or me. Is that correct? I'm still a bit mad at StiM for his post implying that it was our job to keep him entertained. I'm going to give myself some time to cool off on that, because I don't appreciate people quitting on my team (if he is in fact town). This is a time investment for everybody, and it's damn selfish of him to pack up his ball and go home after really light pressure. Townville: Kirby pressured me appropriately after my opener. I like that. He also seems to have the same attitude as me regarding the quick StiMwagon: On July 13 2013 13:31 jrkirby wrote: 2 votes land on a guy is quick succession, I'd be stupid if I weren't at least a BIT suspicious. As far as I can tell, stim is just acting like a bit of an idiot, is flustered, and frustrated. Doesn't seem like scumtell to me. You're free to have your vote, and I don't have a solid scumread on either of you, but I will be looking a bit more closely at your filters. hz is aggressively posting reads and seems to emulate my thoughts on the early Superfluous post: On July 13 2013 09:42 hzflank wrote: I think Jrkirby's and Sponge's opening posts had the same motivation: to get discussion moving. Both have done this and we have multiple discussions taking place. Since then, Sponge did a little coaching. Sponge has come under pressure from multiple people (for his opening post), and has dealt with it while being reasonably open. The only time that he has not been open is by refusing to post the other version of his opening post. Sponge did a little coaching again as he tried to stop Umasi from defending him. So far my read on Sponge has moved very slightly towards town. Since his opening, Jrkirby has attacked Sponge for his opening post, and done nothing else. That's fine because it is early and Jrkirby is pushing to get a reaction from someone. This is not scummy to me, null read. Umasi has defended Hurricane, which cannot be viewed as scummy at this point. Umasi has attacked Superfluous. I would say that this attack could be scummy as it is based on nothing, but it could just be to get Super to post more (he only has one post). Umasi then repeats that he thinks Super's post is scummy and votes for him. The problem I have with this is that Umasi claims Super's only post was scummy, when I do not think that it was. If Umasi was looking for a reaction then I do not understand why he posted: How was Super's post scummy as crap? I do not think that Umasi is looking for scum, and if he is not just fishing for Super to respond then I think that Umasi is just looking for a neutral place to put his early vote. Unlike Jrkirby's, Umasi's vote is not a troll vote. I have a slight scum read on Umasi. Xzavier posted some decent thoughts (although he really didn't go out on any limbs): On July 13 2013 11:19 Xzavier wrote: i know usami has touched on this, but i see voting for No-lynch is like sacrificing a townie or playing russian roullet for zero prize money. its just basically saying "i want to start this game a townie down" it seems silly to me, if somebody comes and gives me an ungodly reason for no-lynching ill hear it. but i see it as silly. Also from playing with usami before, hes a super fucking hyper aggressive person who needs like a single post to tunnel somebody for a full day, that can be bad. we need to keep our eyes open and looking at multiple people. As i learned my first game, a tunnel vision day1 can lead to a mislynch, or in this gametype, a no-lynch. Its far better to lynch scum, and thats what we should try to do. Even day1 we lynch either a lurker or our top scumread, if nobody has any strong scumreads, lynching the scummiest lurker is the best townplay day1. (it yields the highest chance of killing scum while creating the best pro-town enviroment) with that im also shocked of how active stim-addict is being. its nice to see a usual lurker picking it up leaving less for the scum to hide behind :D again, even Superfluous is at the top of my scumdar, he isnt high enough to deserve a vote yet. I want to lynch a lurker or superfluous depending on how he reacts to our posts and the events of the day. if the rest of it goes uneventful/no major scumslips i want to fuck up a lurker as i believe that to be the best pro-town action. Rainbows is active and is claiming credit for the StiM wagon. If StiM is town, as I suspect, I don't think scum would be claiming lead on an eventual green flip: On July 13 2013 15:43 Rainbows wrote: Sponge, I started the whole Stim thing. Chrom just questioned both of us then pooped all over him with it :p Planet Neutral: I've found confusing material on Chrom that some may deem scummy (misrepresenting facts, leaping to conclusions, overblowing alignment-neutral mistakes). However, he also did his usual early game Poke'n'Prod, getting people to clarify their random claims that might otherwise have gone unchecked (very town). Umasi is incredibly active, and hunting. The logic leaps, confirmation bias, and clumsy attacks aren't really helping the town, however (other than to just provide really obvious pressure). If there was a shade between Green and Black, I'd use it because I think the three options for Umasi are 'Bad Town' 'Good Scum' and 'Good Town That I Just Have Trouble Reading For Whatever Reason'. Scum Central: Superfluous has a lot of ground to make up. I don't like people attacking him for his bad policy, but at the end of the day, that's not the only thing going against him. I really disagree with his reads, and that has to account for something: On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote: As I said I just skimmed over after returning. Cloud 9 was a name I didn't see when comparing the posts I saw to the player list, so I pointed it out. And I have been trying to get something to talk about other than what seem to be mini discussions between certain people. I also don't get why you're attacking me saying "I'm not trying to find scum". In my own post I said that I was going to look it over again and get reads, obviously meaning that I hadn't looked that hard for scum yet. Right now my biggest scum read is HZflank, because I still think Umasi is doing mostly pro town moves yet hz says its scummy. If it pushes to me actually being lynched I think that I'd still feel this way. He also had an early post or two that distracted somewhat from the discussion, which I'm always suspicious of. I'll give nightcat benefit of the doubt. It's a bit weird he showed up once his name came up but eh. I realize thats not really a great reason but seems like we're in semi-similar situations. Xzavier I'm more suspicious of, he didnt have many posts then in his first one he shows up saying he'll consider lynching me. It's really scummy play to lurk then show up ready to lynch imo. | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
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On July 13 2013 12:49 Chromatically wrote: This Stim thing doesn't make sense at all. Look at the chain of events: 1) Rainbow pressures Stim 2) Stim posts an angry response 3) Stim claims that his anger was due to formatting 4) Stim claims that he wasn't actually angry, and that he acted like it to get a reaction. 3 and 4 are incompatible. Stim is claiming that he was angry from the formatting, and then lied about his reasoning for doing it later. This doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Town wouldn't say "There were 2 purposes" for their anger if they had just made up those purposes now. Town most certainly wouldn't say "I wasn't actually angry" if they were, like Stim is claiming he was now. ##Vote: Stim I'd be interested in hearing others' thoughts. I could see a townie claiming that his anger was fabricated due to pride. It's embarrassing to admit you got mad for silly reasons to a group of strangers. Obviously that's not in the best interest of the game, but for some, ego will always come first. | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
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On July 13 2013 16:02 Umasi wrote: Alright, here, hurricane. Who do you think is worth voting at this time? From your post, I got the gist that it'd be Superfluous or me. Is that correct? More like Superfluous, Lurkers, Gulf of Mexico, Mariana's Trench, then you. I'd be a fool to vote for one of the few reliably active players that isn't overtly anti-town over a Lurker at this point (it's always in the back of my mind that literally everyone who has posted is town, and there are 3 lurking scum just laughing and drinking champaign in their QT.) | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
At this point I'm still happy with a StiM lynch though, but Superfluous is contesting it pretty hard. and depending on what nightcat says, I'll rethink him, but he's still ehhhhh. I may just be judging people a little too quickly, but that's because I sit at my computer pretty much constantly being a lazy asshole with the thread open, refreshing every five minutes. | ||
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