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On November 13 2012 22:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 22:18 strongandbig wrote:
but tbh marv the kenpachi rule has plenty of substance behind it and you know it
i just don't like explaining it because once you explain it it stops working.... T_T the thing is, s&b, when you first mentioned it I went and re-read over that portion of the game, and honestly debears didn't even really attack you for it particularly, he only really mentioned it, and indeed subsequent posts he was replying to other things. So this would be an extremely weak instance of it at best in any case.
Au contraire - I contend that he must have had a very "claim-talk-about-ey" mindset to even see that as a claim in the first place, because it wasn't obvious that it was a claim. That mindset is exactly what the kenpachi rule is supposed to ferret out.
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it looked like a vt claim to me too
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also bear in mind it came after Z-Bo's miller claim, so it's not like a claims mindset came out of the blue
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well
maybe I was just being even stupider last night than I thought
I'll try to make up for it :p
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care to expand on your thoughts on hapa?
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Marv if you're still around, who would you lynch if you had to pick someone right now?
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On November 13 2012 23:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv if you're still around, who would you lynch if you had to pick someone right now?
I am very much around. Currently I'd be lynching into a total lurker (thrawn or crossfire). My most significant progress so far has been removing a few players from the people I'd be willing to lynch today.
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Thrawn made a brief appearance though. So crossfire? Does that mean no strong reads yet that surpass a coinflip?
Who are you most interested to hear from right now, to clear or strengthen suspicions?
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He did, but I've come to expect more than a solitary post from thrawn.
Hopeless, could you clarify this
On November 13 2012 11:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
Is the way debears confused 'small amount of games' with 'unreadable' scummy? He did it AFTER he was supposedly aware that cross has played before. or would you consider them the same thing?
I'm not sure what you're getting at? As far as I can see, debears missed my Crossfire explanation post and therefore continued prattling on about smurfs or whatever. It's apparent that debears is guilty of not reading the thread properly, but I'm not entirely sure what you're asking here.
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I'll be back in my evening, ~3 hours from now. Debears I'd still like your thoughts on marv when you are back, thanks.
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I look forward to entertaining your suspicions then, my dear.
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On November 13 2012 23:28 marvellosity wrote:He did, but I've come to expect more than a solitary post from thrawn. Hopeless, could you clarify this Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
Is the way debears confused 'small amount of games' with 'unreadable' scummy? He did it AFTER he was supposedly aware that cross has played before. or would you consider them the same thing? I'm not sure what you're getting at? As far as I can see, debears missed my Crossfire explanation post and therefore continued prattling on about smurfs or whatever. It's apparent that debears is guilty of not reading the thread properly, but I'm not entirely sure what you're asking here.
Well first, does a low number of games make someone "unreadable"? debears doesn't acknowledge your explanation until it suits his pressure against me:On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote:
Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire"
Please keep my posts in context
I guess I'll just chalk it up to inattentiveness. I find it scummy that he dismisses cross' meta without knowing if it even exists.
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where did he say that? I missed it going through his filter earlier
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On November 13 2012 15:38 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:52 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:47 Kickstart wrote:On November 13 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:42 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:37 iamperfection wrote:
Whats everybody think of bh he is like a very good player when he is town from what i saw and here he really hasent done anything despite being here tell me what you guys think. Give him a chance. He is one of those guys I would 100% never lynch day one because the benefits of him being town vastly out weigh the risks of him being scum. From what I have heard around the grapevine however he is fairly easy to read as scum so we should be fine to take a look at him later on in the game. you kidding? I'd lynch him day 1 in a heartbeat if I thought he was scum. Well. That is fine. But I am not going to lynch him day one when he is a very good town player and the only case against him so far is that he is lurking. The night (or day in terms of our game i guess!) is young, I wouldn't call anyone a lurker just yet. But I agree with marv that people who give off scum vibes should get the vote and find it odd that you are basically stating that you wouldn't vote for him no matter what ;o. Yep. I would not. I would not vote day one for Hapa or marv either. Unless there was something super obvious I would not vote for them. But I do not think that would happen because they are all good players and that is why I respect them I suppose. Honestly I think it's bad to tie yourself down with ideas like that. If someone's playing scummy, they're playing scummy. My scum play isn't amazing, but due to my extreme sex appeal and enormous intelligence and penis, I can assure you that it's improved a great deal. Mostly it's due to my large penis-- it is quite a monstrosity. It works as a pad, even. Back on topic, don't feel like you can't vote or push people because of possible contributions. This kind of play is lazy and puts preconceived notions of what certain players are worth ahead of behavioral analysis. Someone voting for me because they legitimately think I'm scum and they have the cojones to do it is infinitely more helpful to town than someone not voting me because I'm a sexy baller. That being said, iamperfection's vote is pretty typical iamperfection throwing his vote around trying to pressure people but not doing it effectively. He needs to realize that you should vote people when you want to lynch them, or else you won't be taken seriously.
LOL dont you dare talk down to me you little punk. You criticize me when YOU were the one being all terrible with your first couple of posts. Being all herp derp i don't have to contribute even though interesting things were happening at the time. Give me a break
But that being said ## Unvote
Your case on zbos reminds me more of your play from rockband more then the way you were being early on.
Lokking at what zbos has posted especially this crap which bh pointed out
On November 13 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote:Loving the activity so far. What I'm not loving is the excess of activity coming from debears. He's being very chit-chatty this game and here's what I find very interesting. He has commented on every single little thing on this game and is posting a ton (which by itself is anti-town, as it clogs up the thread and makes it difficult to read), but when dealing with the only significant thing that has yet happened in this thread, he simply shrugs it off as: Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 09:46 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right. Eh. If it's down to lylo we'll need to take a strong look at it if he's alive. Other than that, nothing much to talk about with the claim For someone who is analytical enough to attempt to judge marv's early game reactions, he's sure not being analytical about my claim. This smells scummy to me. ##vote debears
If you look closely debears never said anything about being able to tell if marv is town or not from an anyltical standpoint he made it pretty clear that it was not the case and that he had said he was simply going to vote for him no matter what.
Zbos totally misrepresents what is being said here and if he has the courage to throw a vote out for it you would have thought he would have read clearly what he was in fact voting for.
On November 13 2012 11:05 Z-BosoN wrote:@Hapa: To be honest, I've had an opposite reaction from iamp's trusting of me. I think scum would think twice before openly accepting any townie claim. In his last scum game, iirc, he was much pickier on his town reads. May be wrong here. @debearsShow nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:16 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:13 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 13 2012 10:02 strongandbig wrote:
also fuck you zboson i wanted to fakeclaim miller as vt since then people couldn't say "oh he's fakeclaiming miller must mean he's scum" when i fakeclaim miller as scum
but now if i did that people would be like "two millers what are the odds" and then probably lynch you so no good on that one Glad I beat you to it. Interesting way to claim VT though. Actually I find that suspicious as fuck. ##Unvote##Vote strongandbigDebears, I hope your posting improves throughout this game. Also, what do you mean by "that argument again?". z-bo, I face an onslaught of fluff accusations d1 last game. And, in the end, was night killed d1 after having 2/3 of my top reads being the two scum :D Great, grats. So you suffer an onslaught of fluff accusations day one, and yet you still plague the thread with fluff? Do you find nothing wrong with that? @marvSo you say that you fit best the description of actively lurking, and pretty much continue to do that? Tell me more.
This post here is also another pile of crap and its the iamperfection rule of whoever defends me is probably scum. If he cared at all to check in gsl III where i was scum which he played in lollololol i thrw around 2 strong town reads early on he should know this and the fact that he isnt willing to do any legwork in order to find out is more evidence not in his favor. This post is also extremly wishy washy on everything he said.
I know i said early on that i thought the miller claim was more of a town tell but well i think zbos actions speak louder.
so ## Vote zboson
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@Clarity
I would like to see more scum hunter extraordinaire out of Marv, but nothing right now is screaming scum to me from him. And, he's a strong town player. If he does something that is so scummy that it blinds me I'll go after him
@Marv
Would you say that SandB is an easy target for mafia? Although the vt claim was weird, having what, 4 people vote him so early just doesn't make me comfortable.
Considering we do have over 24 hours left, I'm sure SandB, if he is town, will come up with something good.
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On November 14 2012 00:07 debears wrote:
@Clarity
I would like to see more scum hunter extraordinaire out of Marv, but nothing right now is screaming scum to me from him. And, he's a strong town player. If he does something that is so scummy that it blinds me I'll go after him
@Marv
Would you say that SandB is an easy target for mafia? Although the vt claim was weird, having what, 4 people vote him so early just doesn't make me comfortable.
Considering we do have over 24 hours left, I'm sure SandB, if he is town, will come up with something good.
Why do people think claiming vt was wierd i think if you read the actual post it seemed like to me he was just having a conversation and it slipped. It does not look like an orchestrated post by a scum if you ask me.
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also debars tell me what you think of zbos
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On November 13 2012 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
where did he say that? I missed it going through his filter earlier
- Hapa asks if Cross is a smurf
- debears:On November 13 2012 09:47 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 09:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Hello, sirs. First of all I´d like to claim miller. There are two very viable options now, regarding my alignment on this game. I am fakeclaiming as mafia. I am in fact a miller. My claim here would be fairly risky as scum, and as town it makes more sense to claim so as to not waste detective checks on me, but of course this is WIFOM. I hope to show my alignment in this game through brilliant, stellar townie play, and hope town uses this factor and this factor alone when scouting my alignment. The only thing I hope to achieve with this claim is to not be checked by an eventual cop, as that check will be guaranteed to turn red. That being said, I look forward to playing this game. Lot's of familiar faces around, and I am curious to hear more from people I haven't played yet. Regarding DarthPunk, don't worry, if he's scum, I'll figure it out  HI ZB <3. Yeah ZB will figure me out If I am scum, and Vice Versa. Hapa will figure marv out and marv will figure everyone out. GG scummers But what if me, ZB, and marv are all scum o_O Oh, and ##unvote because I don't feel like continuing some half-assed thing early game. And I asked before but no one seemed to respond/care: Sooooo I'm fairly interested in hearing from players I don't know about. Particularly Crossfire and Kickstarter.
Btw, is Cross a smurf account? I noticed he's played a few recent games but don't know much about him. Anyone anyone? Who cares????? Even if it's a smurf, behavioral analysis triumphs
- Marv:
On November 13 2012 09:48 marvellosity wrote:
ah, no Crossfire is just Crossfire.
He played in Whose Line (town) and Aperture mini (third party type scum thing) recently
- debears attacks me for 'lecturing/being aggressive' and asks about my meta
- Clarity calls that a contradiction, because debears has said 'behavioral analysis triumphs'
- debears defense:
On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis? Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting
^^This is mostly what I'm referring to. Cross has a meta, and debears should be aware of it by now, but says he hadn't seen Marv's post. In any case he says, 'we cannot tell right now', when there is 100% evidence to the contrary (we may not be able to tell much, but there's SOMETHING to go by). Maybe he couldn't be bothered to go looking due to laziness or just being busy in general. Fine, but he still acknowledges Marv's post: + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis? Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter" Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta. We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize. So why discuss it? But you just made a post, with the only question being about someone's meta. On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? Why? Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire" Please keep my posts in context
But he sticks to his 'unreadable smurf' story in this explanation (see bolded):
On November 13 2012 11:21 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:16 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
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DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said:
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Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis? Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter" Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta. We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize. So why discuss it? But you just made a post, with the only question being about someone's meta. On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? Why? Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire" Please keep my posts in context Yes I realize he asked before marv answered. How are your quotes not in context? You answer Hapa by saying it doesn't matter who he is, because reads within the current game are more important. But just now you asked about someone's meta, contradicting yourself. Please tell me where I am wrong. Alright, let me spell it out for you 1) Hapa asked if cross was smurf 2) I said there was nothing to discuss about him being smurf, since he hadn't posted much 3) Marv says cross is cross So, my point was that you can't make a basis whether he is indeed a smurf until he posts enough so that vet's recognize him. That makes discussing it early irrelevant.Now, 1) Hopeless comes in lecturing (anti-town) 2) I ask whether it fits his meta 3) You jump on me saying it's a contradiction to what I said It isn't a contradiction. Behavior > meta, especially if players are aware of their meta. Now, if behavior is totally against a player's town meta, and that behavior is scummy, then there are alarms that go off
Why does he neglect to clarify his current stance on how we may or may not be able to read cross? His explanations is ambiguous in that he can insist it was his opinion BEFORE marv's 'cross is cross' post and that it changed afterwards, which we were all to dense to notice, herpaderp.
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Votecount:
strongandbig (2): Z-BosoN, Hapahauli
Z-BosoN (2): Blazinghand, iamperfection
debears (1): strongandbig
Hopeless1der (1): debears
Not voting (7): marvellosity, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der, Kickstart, Crossfire99, DarthPunk, Clarity_nl
Currently, strongandbig is set to be lynched! A bit less than 35 hours remaining in Day 1.
Full version:
+ Show Spoiler +strongandbig (2): DarthPunk, Z-BosoN, Clarity_nl, Hapahauli, DarthPunk
Z-BosoN (2): Blazinghand, iamperfection
debears (1): Z-Boson, strongandbig
Hopeless1der (1): debears
Blazinghand (0): iamperfection
Clarity_nl (0): DarthPunk
Darthpunk (0): Hapahauli Hapahauli
Hapahauli (0): iamperfection, strongandbig
marvellosity (0): debears
Not voting (7): marvellosity, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der, Kickstart, Crossfire99, DarthPunk, Clarity_nl
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On November 14 2012 00:09 iamperfection wrote:
also debars tell me what you think of zbos
I've noticed a couple things about his play
1) He doesn't seem to be as upfront/assertive as his town play from our newbie together
2) His vote on SandB
- It's not clear whether it's a pressure vote or a he's scum vote
- He hasn't kept pushing SandB ----which he does as town heartily with his scumreads
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