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On November 14 2012 00:10 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
where did he say that? I missed it going through his filter earlier - Hapa asks if Cross is a smurf - debears: Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 09:47 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 09:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Hello, sirs. First of all I´d like to claim miller. There are two very viable options now, regarding my alignment on this game. I am fakeclaiming as mafia. I am in fact a miller. My claim here would be fairly risky as scum, and as town it makes more sense to claim so as to not waste detective checks on me, but of course this is WIFOM. I hope to show my alignment in this game through brilliant, stellar townie play, and hope town uses this factor and this factor alone when scouting my alignment. The only thing I hope to achieve with this claim is to not be checked by an eventual cop, as that check will be guaranteed to turn red. That being said, I look forward to playing this game. Lot's of familiar faces around, and I am curious to hear more from people I haven't played yet. Regarding DarthPunk, don't worry, if he's scum, I'll figure it out  HI ZB <3. Yeah ZB will figure me out If I am scum, and Vice Versa. Hapa will figure marv out and marv will figure everyone out. GG scummers But what if me, ZB, and marv are all scum o_O Oh, and ##unvote because I don't feel like continuing some half-assed thing early game. And I asked before but no one seemed to respond/care: Sooooo I'm fairly interested in hearing from players I don't know about. Particularly Crossfire and Kickstarter.
Btw, is Cross a smurf account? I noticed he's played a few recent games but don't know much about him. Anyone anyone? Who cares????? Even if it's a smurf, behavioral analysis triumphs - Marv: Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 09:48 marvellosity wrote:
ah, no Crossfire is just Crossfire.
He played in Whose Line (town) and Aperture mini (third party type scum thing) recently - debears attacks me for 'lecturing/being aggressive' and asks about my meta - Clarity calls that a contradiction, because debears has said 'behavioral analysis triumphs' - debears defense: Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis? Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting ^^This is mostly what I'm referring to. Cross has a meta, and debears should be aware of it by now, but says he hadn't seen Marv's post. In any case he says, 'we cannot tell right now', when there is 100% evidence to the contrary (we may not be able to tell much, but there's SOMETHING to go by). Maybe he couldn't be bothered to go looking due to laziness or just being busy in general. Fine, but he still acknowledges Marv's post: + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis? Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter" Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta. We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize. So why discuss it? But you just made a post, with the only question being about someone's meta. On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? Why? Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire" Please keep my posts in context But he sticks to his 'unreadable smurf' story in this explanation (see bolded): Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:21 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:16 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:
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^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis? Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter" Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta. We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize. So why discuss it? But you just made a post, with the only question being about someone's meta. On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said: On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking. Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out. And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point.... And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u! Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking? ^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is? Why? Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire" Please keep my posts in context Yes I realize he asked before marv answered. How are your quotes not in context? You answer Hapa by saying it doesn't matter who he is, because reads within the current game are more important. But just now you asked about someone's meta, contradicting yourself. Please tell me where I am wrong. Alright, let me spell it out for you 1) Hapa asked if cross was smurf 2) I said there was nothing to discuss about him being smurf, since he hadn't posted much 3) Marv says cross is cross So, my point was that you can't make a basis whether he is indeed a smurf until he posts enough so that vet's recognize him. That makes discussing it early irrelevant.Now, 1) Hopeless comes in lecturing (anti-town) 2) I ask whether it fits his meta 3) You jump on me saying it's a contradiction to what I said It isn't a contradiction. Behavior > meta, especially if players are aware of their meta. Now, if behavior is totally against a player's town meta, and that behavior is scummy, then there are alarms that go off Why does he neglect to clarify his current stance on how we may or may not be able to read cross? His explanations is ambiguous in that he can insist it was his opinion BEFORE marv's 'cross is cross' post and that it changed afterwards, which we were all to dense to notice, herpaderp.
Wow, really?
My answers were in response to questions from clarity of why I didn't want to talk about the smurf claim in my original post. Now, I did miss marv's crossfire is crossfire post.
And honestly, what can you tell from his meta right now?
HE HAS POSTED LITERALLY NOTHING!!!!!!
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Hopeless, I think you're making too much of that. The bit you bold says "was" - past tense, that was his stance previously (when he'd missed my Crossfire post).
Like debears said just now there's not a lot to say about Crossfire otherwise, you can't really have a stance on someone who hasn't posted yet.
The whole issue is overblown and should be dropped. If only because it's a big distraction to debears, who has to keep talking about it, and it's not helping anyone
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@Kickstart
On November 13 2012 16:52 Kickstart wrote:Here is why I have doubts about Hapa. + Show Spoiler +Hapa starts off by being the first one to cast a "pointless vote" at the start of the day. + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 09:25 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 09:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
I don't think anyone will be against millers claiming and a lurker lynch policy. If they are they should speak up. Otherwise we really don't need to mention it again. Oh hum I need something more controversial then. Howabout the lynch DarthPunk policy? I have a hard time reading him and rolls scum 66% of the time when I'm in game with him. Sample size be damned! ##Vote DarthPunk I see that several people did this and were joking but I don't like it much and Hapa is the first to do it, which is even more interesting because soon after he states that the random vote gambit is far overused ;/ : + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 09:37 Hapahauli wrote:
@iamp
The "random vote" gambit has been far overused. I'm not a fan.
I'd comment on your post, but I'm not even sure what you're talking about there. He then unvotes DP just to revote him: + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 10:22 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:15 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 10:01 strongandbig wrote:
if zb was scum he would have made a much longer post
##vote: hapahauli
im down with that iamperfection thinkamajig So retarded. ##Vote: Strongandbig You're voting him 'cause the post is retarded? And not because it's scummy? The last time you pulled that, you were scum (Mafia LVII). ##Vote DarthPunk('fo real this time) Which he unvotes again -_- And there is the whole SnB bandwagon that he jumps on: + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 10:54 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:50 debears wrote:
Does S&B normally act like this?
Just curious :D
Feel free to answer that S&B Well it's weird for sure. I'm used to seeing scum SnB be a lot more "wordy" when he posts. Atleast this was the case in Mafia LVII and Death Note Mini. Howwwwwweva, this post really sets off my scum alarms: Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:48 strongandbig wrote:On November 13 2012 10:01 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 09:59 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 09:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Hello, sirs. First of all I´d like to claim miller. There are two very viable options now, regarding my alignment on this game. I am fakeclaiming as mafia. I am in fact a miller. My claim here would be fairly risky as scum, and as town it makes more sense to claim so as to not waste detective checks on me, but of course this is WIFOM. I hope to show my alignment in this game through brilliant, stellar townie play, and hope town uses this factor and this factor alone when scouting my alignment. The only thing I hope to achieve with this claim is to not be checked by an eventual cop, as that check will be guaranteed to turn red. That being said, I look forward to playing this game. Lot's of familiar faces around, and I am curious to hear more from people I haven't played yet. Regarding DarthPunk, don't worry, if he's scum, I'll figure it out HI ZB <3. Yeah ZB will figure me out If I am scum, and Vice Versa. Hapa will figure marv out and marv will figure everyone out. GG scummers But what if me, ZB, and marv are all scum o_O Then Blazinghand, Debears and I will rip you all a new arsehole. <3 Oh noes! Well fortunately I'm not scum. + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 09:55 iamperfection wrote:On November 13 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right. Woah woah hold-up. I'm not liking how you're trusting this claim right away. Claiming miller is a pretty much a riskless play here. We don't know how many millers are in the setup, and as far as I'm concerned, the claim is null until Z-Bo proves otherwise. its what i think so whatever. Zbos scum is gone put himself out there like that i dont think so. It's not "so whatever" - I'm pretty skeptical how you're so willing to think Z-Bo is town off what looks to me like a completely null action. Hapa, last time you did that little spoiler trick (GsL III), you were the role that you put in the spoiler. Here, you put bowser. Now why would you put bowser out of all the scum roles? It seems to me like you were actively thinking of bowser, which you shouldn't be if you are town. I would expect you to put a town role in that spoiler this is stupid He calls debears argument/suspicion on me stupid, when he himself has his vote on me. It's not consistent at all with his suspicions so far, and I can't wrap my head around a townie thought process here. ## Vote StrongandBig At least he stays away from voting based on the VT claim post but he starts out by inferring that if SnB were scum he would be posting differently and then votes him anyways based on the "this is stupid" comment (which to be fair to SnB I agree with him, the whole point about putting your role in a spoiler is silly).
What exactly is your read on Hapa right now? Do you have any other reads, specifically on Z-Bo and Hopeless?
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On November 14 2012 00:17 marvellosity wrote:
Hopeless, I think you're making too much of that. The bit you bold says "was" - past tense, that was his stance previously (when he'd missed my Crossfire post).
Like debears said just now there's not a lot to say about Crossfire otherwise, you can't really have a stance on someone who hasn't posted yet.
The whole issue is overblown and should be dropped. If only because it's a big distraction to debears, who has to keep talking about it, and it's not helping anyone
I second this
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k, it's dropped. @work so I'll be gone for a bit.
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@Hopless <----when u get back
On November 13 2012 10:44 debears wrote:
What do you guys think of Clarity's early play?
It's very similar to his scum play imo.
Saying neutral stuff. Then, the vote on S&B.
He's coming in and out of the thread, ie active lurking
Here was my post on clarity that you mentioned earlier. Now here's your post talking about my opinion on clarity
On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town? I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting. What have you done? ##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said:
How was that one post on clarity "unfair". This sounds like an emotional defense of Clarity, which you have no reason to do as town. Also, since it's early d1, we have to start from somewhere? Is it the greatest accusation in the world? No. But we can build from that
Also, Clarity's posting was similar to his scum game at that point imo, along with the active lurking. Why wouldn't I point that out?
If I call someone out early d1, it usually means I want to see more out of them. There was no vote. There was no "OMG clarity is scum guyzzzzz!!!!"
Why were you so eager to try and discredit my opinion by saying "unfair"?
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what do you make of Clarity's posting since, debears?
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I like his attempts at actively discussing with others 1 on 1 and such
Needs moar scumhunting doh
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@Thrawn
What's the deal with your schedule brah????????
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@debears
I have a slight scum read on Hapa at the moment, because of what I outlined in that post and the fact that in general I found his posting to be (trying to find the most polite way to phrase it :D) non-productive.
Hopeless hasn't really stood out to me too much. His posting has been under the radar and not sticking his neck out much, almost his entire filter is the discussion about if crossfire is a smurf or not. So overall I view him as slightly "anti-town" thus far. I would just like to hear more of his thoughts on something/someone not related to cross being a smurf or not.
ZB started the SnB bandwagon which I have already stated I am completely against, so I want to see if he sticks with it. In general his posts have been substantive - out of six posts one is a roleclaim, two he casts a vote on someone and gives some explanation, and then the others he is reacting to/reading people. I see no reason yet to question his miller claim, but again a lot of that could change depending on how he continues with the SnB vote.
With that I am going to go to sleep and won't be back on for awhile. I will try and catch up and post before heading to class but if not I have all night once I get back!
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Blazinghand
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lil iamperfection im gonna talk down @ u till u get on my level cause else how u gonna hear me from down there lol
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Blazinghand
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no disrespect though cuZ ur voting well
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@Kickstart when u get back
On November 14 2012 00:41 Kickstart wrote:
@debears
I have a slight scum read on Hapa at the moment, because of what I outlined in that post and the fact that in general I found his posting to be (trying to find the most polite way to phrase it :D) non-productive.
Hopeless hasn't really stood out to me too much. His posting has been under the radar and not sticking his neck out much, almost his entire filter is the discussion about if crossfire is a smurf or not. So overall I view him as slightly "anti-town" thus far. I would just like to hear more of his thoughts on something/someone not related to cross being a smurf or not.
ZB started the SnB bandwagon which I have already stated I am completely against, so I want to see if he sticks with it. In general his posts have been substantive - out of six posts one is a roleclaim, two he casts a vote on someone and gives some explanation, and then the others he is reacting to/reading people. I see no reason yet to question his miller claim, but again a lot of that could change depending on how he continues with the SnB vote.
With that I am going to go to sleep and won't be back on for awhile. I will try and catch up and post before heading to class but if not I have all night once I get back!
I do find it weird that hapa latched onto S&B, who is an easy target imo, when there really doesn't seem like that much to read from SB's posting so far. Of course, that could be expectation bias.
On hopeless - my problem with hopeless is his lecturing tone and his overall tone so far (the clarity callout "unfair" post he made). One of the scums in my last game came in out of nowhere as he did to lecture multiple town. Also, calling some one's reasoning bad is one thing, but calling it unfair makes absolutely no sense in context to my post on clarity
What do you think of those points? Do you believe that SB is an easy target right now?
If SB doesn't pick up his posting, would you be willing to lynch him over a slight scumread?
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On November 14 2012 00:42 Blazinghand wrote:
lil iamperfection im gonna talk down @ u till u get on my level cause else how u gonna hear me from down there lol
you son of a bitch <3
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Blazinghand
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so what's the delal with hopeless
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read my filter and his filter lol
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On November 14 2012 00:53 Blazinghand wrote:
so what's the delal with hopeless
what's the deal with you posting like scum?
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On November 14 2012 00:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 00:53 Blazinghand wrote:
so what's the delal with hopeless what's the deal with you posting like scum?
I would say he was early on but i would say he has looked more town since then you disagree?
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BH is at least reasonable imo with his accusations. Nothing that makes me think total scum
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