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On July 14 2012 01:44 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 01:42 marvellosity wrote:On July 14 2012 01:32 talismania wrote:
gonzaw: Aside from his "lol how does the setup work?" posts everything he's done screams townie to me. Like the amount of effort he's put in just seems excessive. Even I imagine myself with 100% free time I can't see myself doing that much work as scum.
I'll just leave this scum filter here. Bear in mind this was a PM game, so that was merely half his effort. I'm not saying he's scum because of it, but please do not assume he is town through effort, that's totally null alignment-wise for gonzaw. holy shit haha. How much free time do you have gonzaw??
At that point not that much actually (I was still going to uni). Although I did get kind of "obssessed" so I did use like 80% of my free time in that mafia game >_>
Right now I don't have uni anymore so I have more free time.
On July 14 2012 01:53 sciberbia wrote:
@gonzaw
If you've already taken the time to assemble the votecount, could you post it?
Also, I made my stances clear last night and they haven't changed. I'd be happy lynching Keirathi or Vivax. I could tolerate a lynch on dropbear/s0Lstice/Miltonkram/Risen, but I really think that Keirathi and Vivax are more suspicious.
I'm at work till 6PM and I'm following the thread. I'm currently voting Keirathi but I'd be happy to switch to Vivax if enough people share my views on him. Unless I see any really scummy posts or convincing cases, I will vote for someone other than Keirathi/Vivax if and only if it proves necessary to prevent a NL.
Mattchew: sciberbia
Risen: Vivax
s0lstice: Milkton
marvellosity: solstice
Vivax: Milkton
Austinmcc: talismania
dropbear: Vivax
talismania: Dropbear
sciberbia: Keirathi
keirathi: --
miltonkram: talismania
strongandbig: Keirathi
gonzaw: Keirathi
cba to do the other way hosts do it in this forum (just copy-pasted my notes)
On July 14 2012 01:57 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 01:33 gonzaw wrote:
Ehmm...is it me or does the day END IN FREAKING 5 HOURS!!!!??
Seriously people, these votes are a mess, there are 6 people with votes on them and the guy with most votes has 3 (marv will you keep your vote on solstice?).
So please people consolidate the votes unless you want:
1)A NL
2)A rushed last-minute wagon on someone (to prevent NL) that will most likely end up being town.
I already said I think Keirath is scum and should be today's lynch. But I wouldn't mind a Dropbear lynch either (because of reasons stated earlier).
In mind with S&B's recent posting I wouldn't mind his lynch either, I don't like how he sporadically comes into the thread to shit things up and doesn't seem to care about being part of any discussion.
At least I want some freaking discussion about the lynch. Is anyone else voting dropbear? yet you want consolidation?
If people change their votes to Dropbear, then yes.
If for instance you+marv+someone else change their vote to Dropbear there's consolidation. "Consolidation" doesn't mean voting for the guys with the most votes just so "some guy has the most votes", it's not having every single vote dispersed throughout lots of people. If all votes consolidate into a new guy then I don't see the contradiction.
Matt, what are you planning to do? Your vote is still on sciberbia and you haven't posted anything interesting in a while.
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On July 14 2012 02:05 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 01:44 talismania wrote:On July 14 2012 01:42 marvellosity wrote:On July 14 2012 01:32 talismania wrote:
gonzaw: Aside from his "lol how does the setup work?" posts everything he's done screams townie to me. Like the amount of effort he's put in just seems excessive. Even I imagine myself with 100% free time I can't see myself doing that much work as scum.
I'll just leave this scum filter here. Bear in mind this was a PM game, so that was merely half his effort. I'm not saying he's scum because of it, but please do not assume he is town through effort, that's totally null alignment-wise for gonzaw. holy shit haha. How much free time do you have gonzaw?? At that point not that much actually (I was still going to uni). Although I did get kind of "obssessed" so I did use like 80% of my free time in that mafia game >_> Right now I don't have uni anymore so I have more free time. Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 01:53 sciberbia wrote:
@gonzaw
If you've already taken the time to assemble the votecount, could you post it?
Also, I made my stances clear last night and they haven't changed. I'd be happy lynching Keirathi or Vivax. I could tolerate a lynch on dropbear/s0Lstice/Miltonkram/Risen, but I really think that Keirathi and Vivax are more suspicious.
I'm at work till 6PM and I'm following the thread. I'm currently voting Keirathi but I'd be happy to switch to Vivax if enough people share my views on him. Unless I see any really scummy posts or convincing cases, I will vote for someone other than Keirathi/Vivax if and only if it proves necessary to prevent a NL.
Mattchew: sciberbia Risen: Vivax s0lstice: Milkton marvellosity: solstice Vivax: Milkton Austinmcc: talismania dropbear: Vivax talismania: Dropbear sciberbia: Keirathi keirathi: -- miltonkram: talismania strongandbig: Keirathi gonzaw: Keirathi cba to do the other way hosts do it in this forum (just copy-pasted my notes) Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 01:57 Mattchew wrote:On July 14 2012 01:33 gonzaw wrote:
Ehmm...is it me or does the day END IN FREAKING 5 HOURS!!!!??
Seriously people, these votes are a mess, there are 6 people with votes on them and the guy with most votes has 3 (marv will you keep your vote on solstice?).
So please people consolidate the votes unless you want:
1)A NL
2)A rushed last-minute wagon on someone (to prevent NL) that will most likely end up being town.
I already said I think Keirath is scum and should be today's lynch. But I wouldn't mind a Dropbear lynch either (because of reasons stated earlier).
In mind with S&B's recent posting I wouldn't mind his lynch either, I don't like how he sporadically comes into the thread to shit things up and doesn't seem to care about being part of any discussion.
At least I want some freaking discussion about the lynch. Is anyone else voting dropbear? yet you want consolidation? If people change their votes to Dropbear, then yes. If for instance you+marv+someone else change their vote to Dropbear there's consolidation. "Consolidation" doesn't mean voting for the guys with the most votes just so "some guy has the most votes", it's not having every single vote dispersed throughout lots of people. If all votes consolidate into a new guy then I don't see the contradiction. Matt, what are you planning to do? Your vote is still on sciberbia and you haven't posted anything interesting in a while.
Sometimes people wanna see the order in which people voted gonzaw =="
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Well shit >_> (wbg already posted the vote count)
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^^Yeah but that's not how I keep notes. I just keep a list of everybody, and put who they voted next to them.
If someone votes someone, or unvotes, or changes his vote I just change that field, I don't have to change THE WHOLE LIST of players ordered by the number of votes they have.
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On July 14 2012 02:07 gonzaw wrote:
Well shit >_> (wbg already posted the vote count)
Ahem, this is Bluelightz....
On July 14 2012 02:08 gonzaw wrote:
^^Yeah but that's not how I keep notes. I just keep a list of everybody, and put who they voted next to them.
If someone votes someone, or unvotes, or changes his vote I just change that field, I don't have to change THE WHOLE LIST of players ordered by the number of votes they have.
Get back to playing the game, I do votecounts the way I do votecounts :3
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gonzaw, it's Milton, not Milkton. it's bugging the shit out of me!
Marv, in regards to gonzaw, I've been reading through Liar game, and I wanted to share a few things I've noticed. You are first of all right about his activity level being alignment null. That was obvious. Others though I think are pretty telling
-he was very cautious about calling someone town
-he tunneled the shit out of Cephiro
-he cast suspicion on a handful of people for various reasons, often because of bad play, but it was never to the detriment of his focus on Cephiro.
In this game
-he very early on was making town-reads while he hunted scum, and was public about it
-he has not tunneled anyone, but rather cast a wide net to see what sticks. I'd even call it lack of focus, which is generally a town trait.
-he has been factoring in new information and adjusting his reads
It's a hell of a lot of reading, and I'm not quite done yet, but wanted to get this out there. What I found so far makes me think he isn't scum.
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I am going to sheep marv, on solistice most likely
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On July 14 2012 01:32 talismania wrote:
Secondly, it's like he's voting me because... I'm unhelpful. What?
Yeah, that's part of it tbh. Remember?On July 13 2012 09:02 austinmcc wrote:
As to the vote, your filter is really heavily weighted towards talking about the plan, responding to criticism of the plan, and two people you think it shook out, DropBear and I. I think all of that is nonsense, and when you brush that aside your filter some roleblocker chatter and then another post or two. I want to see more, stuff unrelated to the plan.
It's the same as one of the things I didn't like about Risen, being unhelpful but in a particular way. With you, almost all your contributions were plan-related, including your reads. With Risen, he basically just says "Don't like giving reads D1."
I don't want two players in a mini to skate through without giving legitimate reads. I was serious when I said I wanted to see more stuff, you've provided, so
##Unvote
Not helpful for me to leave my vote on you. I also don't love the company it was keeping. Still not loving things like this contradiction - + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2012 08:47 talismania wrote:
@austin
first as to this "two-part" business - the second part was not planned at all from the beginning. That was more of a lemonade from lemons let's see if there's anything there On July 13 2012 00:00 talismania wrote:
you know for all the shit that plan predictably gets at least it never fails to generate a few pages of discussion. Btw the only time people ever followed a version of it was in bastard 2, but that was because I had a gun and no one else did (and it worked then). The point of it is and always has been to see how people react to it or comply with it, not who they accuse or whatever.
Keirathi, to some extent, fits this same pattern. Throughout the game, he's been noting that he'd prefer to make reads based on patterns. But all this information that people want to use later, patterns, associations, only come if we have activity early and things to work off of. I agree with marv and sciberbia that his early play was very neutral. However, I get a town feeling from his response to solstice (contributing when didn't have to, decent assessment of solstice's milton case), and I'm okay with his response to gonzaw about meta - we ARE heavily discussing past games and general playstyles a lot here. If nothing else, hopefully most of this meta nonsense is being used improperly, and WBG and Chill are both fuming at us.
Continuing to look at voting options, but seriously...some increase in read validity due to associations or patterns is less valuable to town than actually having contributions from people, even if you have bad early reads.
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On July 14 2012 02:18 Mattchew wrote:
I am going to sheep marv, on solistice most likely
I'm not at all sure about s0lstice, for my timing reasons given earlier. I need to exercise/eat now, but I want people to seriously consider Risen
austin and s0lstice (I think) both brought up points about his meta (defending townreads/connection scumhunting or some such). A couple of other people have noted his desire to change how he plays.
however there is a significant difference from not playing too aggressive and not actually contributing or scumhunting. Remember way back earlier in the cycle when austin made his first case against Risen?
Well Risen has done jack shit since then either and it's pretty late in the day to have done jack shit in.
Other than that, general concerns:
Keirathi is still quite uninvolved
Some of austin's posts still seem misplaced
Can't work out the angle behind Milton's attack on talismania
Dropbear hasn't strayed too far from null for me
s&b hasn't done anything particularly alignment indicating for me
gonzaw doesn't know how to read towntells (this is a pointless jab actually)
Overall I don't want to lynch any of s&b, dropbear, talis (I liked his last big post a lot)
But yeah, please look at Risen and his contributions and tell me if you think he's townie (no 'he's playing nicer' excuses)
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Yes, I will support a lynch on Risen. I think he has a decent chance at flipping scum.
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Risen man, if you think I'm sketchy because of my town read on you, then you're in luck. Because I'm pretty concerned that you're still doing nothing. You look less like you're trying to control yourself, part of my finding you townie, and more like you're just lurking. Seriously.
On July 13 2012 08:42 Risen wrote:
Hey so I'm driving to vegas atm and then working out once I'm there. Sorry I dropped off the map. My vote won't be staying where it is. Reading while driving is stupid but from what I've scanned austin looks sketchy as shit with his town read on me. I'll be more thorough tonight when I'm able to sot down and read. Afaik we have a good day and a half left right? Or is it just a day Where are these thoughts? When are you going to contribute?
Nobody but me really responded to Gonzaw's slight suspicions of Risen. Solstice is of two minds - + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2012 23:38 s0Lstice wrote:
quick ninja post while I should be working, regarding my thing with Risen
there are two conflicting ideas that I had some difficulty assignment weight to
-Risen is genuinely trying to improve his town play, and will deviate from his meta as a result
-Risen is matching a few key things in his scum meta
His desire to change his playstyle did seem genuine, especially in the post-game of SSB. I ended up assigning more weight to the second idea though because I believe it is very difficult to escape one's meta, as it is something that largely stems from the subconscious. However, the difficulty involved in ending up where I did was enough to make me want to pursue Milton primarily.
Oh fuck you Marv, ninjaing me. I'll go ahead and post this.
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I did it just to make you look bad, austin.
Right, back in 2 hours or so
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@ s0Lstice
My opinion on talismania will be updated. Before now, he'd done very little to make me change my opinion on him. Seriously, just look through his filter before his latest case on DropBear and austinmcc. That being said, his latest case is pretty decent and I will re-examine my opinion on him.
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HOST YOU MISSED MY VOTE FOR VIVAX
I am not going to be here for lynch time, it's 4am my time.
I am voting for Vivax still. I would like to see the lynch between him and talismania.
I do not support a Milton lynch. I have already said this.
I do not support a Risen lynch. He stated that he is busy and I liked some of his earlier stuff once he got past filler about smilies.
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On July 13 2012 17:01 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 09:07 Vivax wrote:I'm not comfortable with a tali lynch. Comparing filters I found Miltonkrams filter to be fairly empty and he targetted the easy target. He posted 1. A list of his games to make himself available for a metacheck. 2. He comments on Talis plan being bad, and that being reason enough to be scummy. My impression of talis plan gone bad so far: It's a magnet for players with no/bad cases to have a reason to post something accusing. The downside is that it might have triggered policy discussion and a lot of chaos, while promising a lot of clarity by forcing players to take a hard stance, so talis plan was risky from a town perspective, and I'd leave it at that. He said it worked in bastard mafia, let's leave it at that: It won't be used here. 3. On July 13 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote:
I don't find the fact that he came up with the plan scummy, I find the amount of time he's spent defending himself from the fallout of his plan scummy. I think he's spent 3 or 4 posts just defending himself.
Defending oneself isn't scummy. If it's really the only thing you do, then yes, but Milton already knows that it's not the only thing tali is doing: On July 13 2012 06:48 Miltonkram wrote:
EBWOP: I didn't notice that talismania was actually putting a fair amount of pressure on austinmcc. I still find the amount of time he's spent talking about his proposal scummy, but he has put a small amount of pressure on players. still seems to firmly believe in a scum tali. He doesn't have any other reads. He comments on Keirathi and sciberbia being unreadable to him. I'll go for Milton if I don't see some arguments to his defense. I'll defend Milton for you  He started late so hasn't posted as much. We knew that was happening before the games started. Your point 1 directly helps people get a read on him. This is extremely positive town play. In your point 2, you say how the plan allows pointless posting and how that doesn't help town, but then turn around and lambast Milton for pointing this out. Contradiction much? There is no real pressure from talismania on austin at all. Milton is right, talismania IS only defending the plan and not committing to accusations. Three reads is enough for day 1, no? Posting your read on every single person is just clutter. You should be less obvious in defending your buddy. SCUM TEAM
Vivax
talismania
gonzaw, scum don't usually do this. so i don't want to vote dropbear.
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On July 14 2012 02:40 DropBear wrote:
I do not support a Risen lynch. He stated that he is busy and I liked some of his earlier stuff once he got past filler about smilies.
Specifics please
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I don't like it at all that Risen hasn't shown up, he even promised to show up here:
On July 13 2012 08:42 Risen wrote:
Hey so I'm driving to vegas atm and then working out once I'm there. Sorry I dropped off the map. My vote won't be staying where it is. Reading while driving is stupid but from what I've scanned austin looks sketchy as shit with his town read on me. I'll be more thorough tonight when I'm able to sot down and read. Afaik we have a good day and a half left right? Or is it just a day
...but damn, there's something that doesn't make me comfortable with lynching him 
I don't really know how to explain it, but I actually think his "I don't like making reads right now" post may work in his favour (mostly because of the way he said it, like I don't think he'd say that if he was scum the way he did it at that point in time).
But it's damn hard to figure out if he's town or scum (for now I kind of feel about him what I felt about Greymist in the MTG game, he could go either way, did "scummy" things but some tiny teeny things give me a gut town tell).
I wouldn't oppose his lynch as a talis/Vivax/solstice lynch, but I'm not that comfortable with it, or rather I don't really feel confident in it at this point (although its D1 so maybe it's the best thing to do anyways).
However I don't like that above post at all, but it's possible he's just late or something.
I agree with marv that Keirath has not been involved in anything since a long time. I did notice some "townie" stuff he might have done (calling Dropbear out for calling him town, coming out of nowhere to defend Milton); but I get a more "noob scum" feel from the rest of his post (differently than other players like solstice for instance, where I get a "noob town" feel from their post but may have done some little "scummy" stuff), so I don't really take those into account.
Hmm, I think I'll keep my vote on Keirath for now, him doing nothing since posting those reads like a day ago doesn't convince me to unvote him.
@VIvax:
I'll post more about Keirathi and Dropbear soon, they offer quite interesting connections. Gonna try to interprete Dropbears mistake and draw conclusions.
Since lynch time is closing in pretty fast I'd like those opinions soon, also on Risen as well.
On July 14 2012 02:43 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 17:01 DropBear wrote:On July 13 2012 09:07 Vivax wrote:I'm not comfortable with a tali lynch. Comparing filters I found Miltonkrams filter to be fairly empty and he targetted the easy target. He posted 1. A list of his games to make himself available for a metacheck. 2. He comments on Talis plan being bad, and that being reason enough to be scummy. My impression of talis plan gone bad so far: It's a magnet for players with no/bad cases to have a reason to post something accusing. The downside is that it might have triggered policy discussion and a lot of chaos, while promising a lot of clarity by forcing players to take a hard stance, so talis plan was risky from a town perspective, and I'd leave it at that. He said it worked in bastard mafia, let's leave it at that: It won't be used here. 3. On July 13 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote:
I don't find the fact that he came up with the plan scummy, I find the amount of time he's spent defending himself from the fallout of his plan scummy. I think he's spent 3 or 4 posts just defending himself.
Defending oneself isn't scummy. If it's really the only thing you do, then yes, but Milton already knows that it's not the only thing tali is doing: On July 13 2012 06:48 Miltonkram wrote:
EBWOP: I didn't notice that talismania was actually putting a fair amount of pressure on austinmcc. I still find the amount of time he's spent talking about his proposal scummy, but he has put a small amount of pressure on players. still seems to firmly believe in a scum tali. He doesn't have any other reads. He comments on Keirathi and sciberbia being unreadable to him. I'll go for Milton if I don't see some arguments to his defense. I'll defend Milton for you He started late so hasn't posted as much. We knew that was happening before the games started. Your point 1 directly helps people get a read on him. This is extremely positive town play. In your point 2, you say how the plan allows pointless posting and how that doesn't help town, but then turn around and lambast Milton for pointing this out. Contradiction much? There is no real pressure from talismania on austin at all. Milton is right, talismania IS only defending the plan and not committing to accusations. Three reads is enough for day 1, no? Posting your read on every single person is just clutter. You should be less obvious in defending your buddy. SCUM TEAM
Vivax
talismania gonzaw, scum don't usually do this. so i don't want to vote dropbear.
Scum don't usually defend other guys and accuse people....?
Could you be a little bit more specific?
What about the rest of his posts?
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On July 14 2012 01:32 talismania wrote:hokay so DropBear+ Show Spoiler +I think he is scum for two reasons. 1) The timing with which he bashes my plan. Everyone else had already bashed it. If you look at that post, what possible purpose does it serve? It's not adding anything to the discussion, it's just prolonging it unnecessarily. On July 12 2012 15:18 DropBear wrote:This is silly. Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 08:50 talismania wrote:
pardon me for some half-assed musing:
since we've got majority lynch to deal with, what about some sort of nomination system? I don't like how majority allows townies and scum alike to save their opinions on people, especially day one and just hop on whatever bandwagon is happening near the end of the day. It would be nice if, say, 24 hours in everyone puts up a list of three players they want to see in consideration for the lynch and reasons why. Then all that gets tallied up or something and we decide between the popular choices. Actually you wouldn't even need to tally or enforce that. Just having everyone put up three names with reasons should be good enough to move discussion towards a consensus lynch candidate or two (hush s&b yes I am and always will try to get people to post their impressions of others). This isn't going to happen and would just waste time.
On the majority lynch, day 1 this tends to be a right kerfuffle. I can't think of any system that has ever worked on day 1 in games I have been part of. So fuck a system, we deal with it when the time comes. There should be solid candidates by then anyway. 2) Weird tone. He was an aggressive player when I played with him last, but didn't get feisty (the "angry koala" as acrofales dubbed him) until he was threatened with a lynch. He's been ornery and disruptive this entire game and I can't figure out why. Plus when he was angry before, it was righteous anger. This feels like sarcastic, trollish ribbing. Examples below: On July 12 2012 15:00 DropBear wrote:Hello everyone. I strongly disagree with town roleblocker being forced to claim, let alone not using their power. Having been one in past games that actually managed to block mafia KP I can testify to the usefulness of using this power. With the added possibility of jailkeeper and mafia roleblocker any claim could be complete bogus anyway and would be very difficult to verify. If you are town roleblocker do not claim!
One thing I would like to say about how we go about things, please don't overpost. Say what you need to say and shut up. Be concise and clear. This does not mean don't post, nor does it mean don't post often. It means don't post crap that doesn't need to be said. Stuff like this isn't necessary and clogs up your filter, please don't do it. On July 12 2012 18:09 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 16:10 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 15:38 Keirathi wrote:On July 12 2012 15:14 DropBear wrote:On July 12 2012 15:06 Keirathi wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying roleblocker should never, under any circumstances, use their power.
But it needs to be used with extreme caution because you probably have a higher chance (or at the very least, equal) of blocking a town blue than blocking a KP if you just pick randomly.
There are certainly situations where it can be a useful power, of course, but its much safer just to not use it until you have good, solid reads. People have in fact said that it shouldn't be used period. Gonzawtalismania Then I completely disagree with them. I'm still not positive they mean that there is a never a situation where RB can be useful, but if they think that then I encourage them to think harder. Obviously there are exceptions. If there are 2 "very obvious scum" or something (and only 2 scum remain) then he can try to RB those. But him trying to RB at random on N1 or even on N2 seems too risky to me, specially if that guys doesn't have very good reads (and isn't lucky). @Dropbear: I don't like your attitude. You just busted into the thread, basically discredited everything everybody said, and discredited every accusation anybody else has done, and that's it. All the while acting like you own the place or something (without actually taking charge). However you are not progressing at all, you are just complaining. Actually lets get the ball rolling (this thread is VERY silent so far, hopefully this changes that): ##Vote: Dropbear You're just mad that I think your idea on the roleblocker is bad and your cases are bad. On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote:
##Vote Vivax the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said? I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy? On July 13 2012 17:01 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 09:07 Vivax wrote:I'm not comfortable with a tali lynch. Comparing filters I found Miltonkrams filter to be fairly empty and he targetted the easy target. He posted 1. A list of his games to make himself available for a metacheck. 2. He comments on Talis plan being bad, and that being reason enough to be scummy. My impression of talis plan gone bad so far: It's a magnet for players with no/bad cases to have a reason to post something accusing. The downside is that it might have triggered policy discussion and a lot of chaos, while promising a lot of clarity by forcing players to take a hard stance, so talis plan was risky from a town perspective, and I'd leave it at that. He said it worked in bastard mafia, let's leave it at that: It won't be used here. 3. On July 13 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote:
I don't find the fact that he came up with the plan scummy, I find the amount of time he's spent defending himself from the fallout of his plan scummy. I think he's spent 3 or 4 posts just defending himself.
Defending oneself isn't scummy. If it's really the only thing you do, then yes, but Milton already knows that it's not the only thing tali is doing: On July 13 2012 06:48 Miltonkram wrote:
EBWOP: I didn't notice that talismania was actually putting a fair amount of pressure on austinmcc. I still find the amount of time he's spent talking about his proposal scummy, but he has put a small amount of pressure on players. still seems to firmly believe in a scum tali. He doesn't have any other reads. He comments on Keirathi and sciberbia being unreadable to him. I'll go for Milton if I don't see some arguments to his defense. I'll defend Milton for you He started late so hasn't posted as much. We knew that was happening before the games started. Your point 1 directly helps people get a read on him. This is extremely positive town play. In your point 2, you say how the plan allows pointless posting and how that doesn't help town, but then turn around and lambast Milton for pointing this out. Contradiction much? There is no real pressure from talismania on austin at all. Milton is right, talismania IS only defending the plan and not committing to accusations. Three reads is enough for day 1, no? Posting your read on every single person is just clutter. You should be less obvious in defending your buddy. SCUM TEAM
Vivax
talismania (the entire tone of the above post)^ What makes the timing of that post and his tone scummy? Well both are unnecessary, both are disruptive and create an anti-town atmosphere, and, in the case of this response to my plan, it is essentially just an excuse to add filler to his filter. Look like contributing without actually contributing. He's also had a relatively narrow focus, only looking at vivax and me. And really he was only looking at vivax, but then somehow in his last post I got shoehorned into the picture, perhaps to give him cover to vote for me later on. austinmccscummy shit: 1) his first post. Ok fine - I'll give it to him that he added a bit to what mattchew and marv had said. But again it's not about that, it's about why people post and how they do it. On July 12 2012 11:33 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 11:06 Mattchew wrote:
Anyway I want to hear more from austin his first post doesnt sit well with me That's because there's basically nothing to my first post except "Millers claim," which isn't helpful. What I can add is that I think talismania's 3-case plan is bad, but that seems to be the general sentiment. Forcing arbitrary requirements on everyone isn't really going to help us, and is going to clog up the thread later. People are going to make halfhearted cases to try to reach that number, someone will inevitably only find 1-2 people scummy and we'd end up in some "does x not making 3 cases = scummy?" discussion, and we also might end up lynching people that EVERYONE finds a little bit scummy rather than someone that a few people have a strong scumread on for good reasoning. Can also add that I haven't played with gonzaw, but I've obsed his recent games. Anyone here feel like they do a good job reading him, and if so, can you post some tips? I've found that I almost always end up reading him as scum, because he is active enough and posts enough that I keep finding scummy things to latch on to. Had him scum at the end of liar game just prior to the katina lynch, but also found him really scummy in the recent MTG because I felt like some of the plans he pushed hard were anti-town (check the obsqt early on, although I didn't post much there). So...any magical tricks for getting the right read on Gonzaw? Why pile on, when you already acknowledge that it is "the general sentiment"? It's just adding filler to his filter, and padding for the other part of his post. This is classic scum stuff to try and add extra stuff to their posts so they don't get accused of doing nothing but, say, asking rambling stuff about gonzaw. 2) The other thing I've already pointed out that he hasn't really addressed. He is voting for me. He posted a 5-paragraph essay before doing so. But he never actually said I was scum. I pointed this out, he just rehashes what he already said, but never actually connects the dots and explains why he thinks all that stuff that I've done makes me scum. Combined with the timing of this accusation, it makes me think he's simply trying to start momentum for my lynch, taking off on what milkton did (and milkton, despite having bs reasoning, at least connected the dots). Austin omits that crucial step because he's not thinking like a town player. He's just thinking about who he needs to get his vote onto. On July 13 2012 08:05 austinmcc wrote:
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(1) 90% of people hadn't already stated why it was bad. Look at Talis's little summary of people who commented. It's 7 people long, and one of them is him misinterpreting your post. That's not 90% of the thread.
(2) Again, I'm not saying why the plan was bad. I'm trying to say that he's incorrect in saying I didn't add anything. I think he's really stretching what people have said to try and make it seem like Part 2 of the plan was somehow helpful, when really it's not.
##Vote: Talismania
I don't buy this two-part plan nonsense, and I don't think it's helpful at all.
First off his points 1 and 2 are kinda bs. I'll give him that he added a little bit, and I already said way back that not as many people replied as I thought did before I went and analyzed it. It's not me twisting things when I'm freely admitting when I've exaggerated or whatever. Secondly, it's like he's voting me because... I'm unhelpful. What? ______________________ My thoughts on everyone else: + Show Spoiler +Mattchew: I dub mattchew "the poker-prodder". He keeps poking and prodding people. He's ultimately a null tell for me, as he is in every game I've ever seen him in. For a second I had him on my scummy list because of his "hey are you just actively lurking" post until now when I've re-read his filter and seen him poking at everyone. I am a bit surprised he's not voting for me - I think as scum he would have done that by now especially when he called me out like he did. I also have a question for you, Mattchew: On July 12 2012 11:06 Mattchew wrote:Gonzaw's start to like every game ![[image loading]](http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/493583_o.gif) But I love his effort, just hate reading EVERYTHING he posts. Anyway I want to hear more from austin his first post doesnt sit well with me What ever happened to your thoughts about austin? You never mention him again in your filter after this. Risen: I agree with what solstice just said about his style. It's sort of impossible to read given his pre-game determination to change it. That said, his content has been incredibly lacking. He made his vote too early, he didn't explain it. Actually reading through his filter now he does seem really sketchy. Interested to see if and how he changes his vote today. solstice: I really like the case marv made on him, actually, but for some reason I don't know if I can move beyond a null on him. Like I think the first half of his filter is scummy (the part marv showed), the second half townie. Overall he is playing fairly relaxed, which is usually a town indicator as well. On the other hand he's also been fairly focused on just a couple players, which is a scum indicator. gonzaw: Aside from his "lol how does the setup work?" posts everything he's done screams townie to me. Like the amount of effort he's put in just seems excessive. Even I imagine myself with 100% free time I can't see myself doing that much work as scum. marvellosity: Marv. How is it possible that he posts so much but I always forget he's in the game? It's not like his posts are bad they're usually pretty on point. I've never played against him as scum so I dunno what he does then, but his filter so far looks fairly like his town filters from the games I've played with him. He tends to have a lot of targets and switch frequently, often correcting himself as town and I see that here as well. Vivax: Never played with him before. He's sort of in the solstice camp actually. First half of the filter is scummy. Especially the part where marv asked him to explain his feelings on matt and he was just like "here's filter do it yourself" LOL. On the other hand I like what he says about Milkton. On the third hand he's also playing rather focused. Null. sciberbia: Sciberbia I am your biggest fan. I love the way you post. I have no idea what your alignment is but if everyone posted like you this game would be easy. Keirathi: Well he's conditional town or conditional scum at this point. Like I think he was way too neutral in the beginning as someone else pointed out but he's also onto dropbear as I am. Milktonkram: I think his case and vote on me are bs bs bs... but incredibly random. Like I don't know why he does that as scum. I actually can't figure him out at all to be honest. strongandbig: dear god this is tiring to make lol no wonder no one ever follows my plans. Anyway. I think he's playing pretty freely. I think he was scum in space station? He was more uptight then.
WOLOLOLOLOL nice OMGUS tali!
So I'm aggressive? Did you forget Bastard 2 already? When I shouted and screamed to kill only 2 players the entire time I was alive? Plus the examples you give of me being disruptive and aggressive are just firm statements. How is strongly disagreeing being disruptive and trollish?
And narrow focused? It's better to focus on a couple of people than splurge shit on EVERYONE like you have done wouldn't you say?
Your case on me positively REEKS of being manufactured.
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On July 14 2012 02:43 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 02:40 DropBear wrote:
I do not support a Risen lynch. He stated that he is busy and I liked some of his earlier stuff once he got past filler about smilies.
Specifics please
This aimed at gonzaw. Made perfect sense, the thread was barely 4 pages old and gonzaw was saying people were lurking.
On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:
Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early.
This because Vivax is scum.
On July 12 2012 16:38 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 16:29 Vivax wrote:
There's no link to a voting thread in the OP methinks.Add pls?
##Vote active lurk strongandbig Yes, this is going places. I like your thinking. I just like your style, my dude. You have my vote! ##vote: Vivax
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On July 14 2012 02:18 Mattchew wrote:
I am going to sheep marv, on solistice most likely
Is there any particular reason for this?
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