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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Then I noticed you skirting the thread and throwing out dumb accusations which pretty much validated my vote on you into a real one. Now you're very obviously scum. You're just retracing GM's scum steps in Ace's game huh. Comparing my meta here to my meta in a game with vastly different scenarios (I've even stated multiple times across multiple games that I am making my Town play less spammy from AA, which was my FIRST EVER MAFIA GAME AS TOWN). Throwing out the VE vs redFF scenario? lol, nothing similar to that has come up yet, when did I have the chance to try that this game? That and the fact that you cannot even consider the fact that posting the colours of my role PM without hesitation pretty much confirms me as Town. sup. The few games we actually have been together as Town (both Minis; Haunted House and Swedish House) I've been even more useless and one-liner-troll than I have been this game yet he was able to see me as Town there. What's changed in this game? His alignment obviously. Palmar's seen my scum play (and been able to identify it, actually, the only person in XLIV who was able to do so) and it should be obvious that what I am able to pull off as scum is much more detrimental to Town than just lurking and posting one liners. Palmar wants to use meta reasons to lynch me but he conveniently cherrypicks one game, which happened to be my first where I had no idea what I was doing, and in a completely different scenario. He then neglects to mention any of the other games I've played with him. Derp. Scum. And no PMs aren't in the OP Kurumi, you coloured the PM names blue in them but my PM is all black. My guess from his reluctance is that he actually coloured the Mafia ones red to emphasize that you are Mafia which screwed Palmar into thinking the Town PM had blue colours. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On September 29 2011 20:17 Forumite wrote: Putting it out there, I´d rather see the lynch being between Palmar and Curu than us lynching one either Jackal or WBG. so you don't care much who gets lynched, you just want to voice your support of a scenario with two bandwagons that you and your scum buddies can hop on to at leisure? | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On September 29 2011 20:40 prplhz wrote: so you don't care much who gets lynched, you just want to voice your support of a scenario with two bandwagons that you and your scum buddies can hop on to at leisure? Not at all, I very much care about who is going to be lynched, I don´t want Jackal or WBG to be the one. Who between Curu and Palmar is scummiest is yet to be decided, waiting to see how the talk between them goes. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
1) All of the analysis palmar has done this game has been half assed and incorrect. First of all his initial reason for voting Jackal is complete bs and factually wrong. I called him out on this on skype. Palmar voted Jackal because he said that when Jackal is town he gives more reasons for his votes. + Show Spoiler + [2:49:30 AM] Mig: man tho your initial reasoning for voting jackal [2:49:31 AM] Mig: so awful [2:49:46 AM] Mig: in ace's game all of jackals posts where he votes someone [2:49:49 AM] Mig: he says like half a sentence [2:49:57 AM] Mig: he voted wbg by just posting a picture [2:50:09 AM] Mig: and you use that as reasoning to vote for him and then use lotr meta as proof [2:51:34 AM] Mig: pretty much the worst meta argument I have ever seen just blatantly incorrect [2:51:49 AM] Palmar: read the other posts [2:51:59 AM] Mig: I just read all of his wbg and your posts again [2:52:21 AM] Mig: but all the reasons you actually listed in thread to vote jackal [2:52:24 AM] Mig: are straight incorrect [2:53:07 AM] Mig: like you went back to lotr to get that post of his to make your meta argument against jackal [2:53:12 AM] Mig: wouldnt you have also checked ace [2:53:14 AM] Mig: s [2:53:15 AM] Mig: game [2:53:19 AM] Mig: which just happened as well [2:53:44 AM] Palmar: I forgot that game, I also checked resurrection where he was scum [2:53:48 AM] Palmar: same thing, no informatino [2:54:00 AM] Mig: what [2:54:14 AM] Palmar: the point of it is he's stopping the flow of information [2:54:22 AM] Palmar: the meta argument is just to back it up for the newbies [2:54:29 AM] Mig: so you checked resurrection which is like 3 weeks old [2:54:37 AM] Mig: but ignored the game that just ended [2:54:45 AM] Mig: and forgot it wtf jackal was alive at the end [2:54:52 AM] Mig: we discussed at length about it [2:55:05 AM] Palmar: was jackal alive at the end in smg? [2:55:16 AM] Mig: he was the last person shot before game ended [2:55:21 AM] Palmar: I was scum in smg, I never actually read the threads when I'ms cum [2:55:30 AM] Palmar: so I didn't remember that one Ok so to summarize I tell Palmar his analysis is completely incorrect and if he had looked at Ace's game he would see that. So then he responds by saying he had forgotten about Ace's game and instead went back to resurrection mafia which ended weeks ago. This is bullshit for 2 reasons A) Ace's game was very close me him and jackal were all alive with 6-7 people left and we discussed at length what our best play was concerning jackal. There is no way he could have just forgotten about it. B) if he had actually gone back to resurrection to do research why didn't he quote any of jackal's posts as scum to use as evidence? He quoted a LOTR post to show what Jackal does at town surely if he had gone back to read res he would have quoted a Jackal scum post. He is lying. And Palmar has a history of trying to use bad meta arguments as scum. If anyone remembers personality mafia Palmar as scum used a terrible meta argument to try and get kurumi lynched day1. When Palmar is town his analysis is generally much more concrete and well thought out. His arguments this game are forced. 2) He is playing with a mafia mindset. I have been talking on skype to palmar and curu pretty much constantly throughout the game. I have been very suspicious of both of them so far, however a few hours ago I had to reconsider when Curu claimed to have an all black role pm. Even if Curu is mafia and had an all black pm he wouldn't post claiming that in the thread because he still runs the risk that townies names are blue in their pms. After seeing this I immediately rethought my suspicions and realized that Curu is most likely town. However look at how Palmar responded. Instead of reconsidering whether Curu could be town or not he instead immediately tried to twist it to make Curu appear scummy and serve his argument. Palmar isn't concerned at all about the possibility that Curu could be town and instead is only concerned with furthering his goals of lynching Curu. This and the fact that he didn't put any effort into actually researching his case against Jackal prove that Palmar is not playing with the town's best interests in mind. Palmar is a liar, Palmar is not trying whatsoever to actually do any real scum hunting or help the town, Palmar is playing a very mafia oriented game where he only considers his goals and not what will help the town. Death to Palmar! ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On September 29 2011 21:49 prplhz wrote: i mean scum would love to see the lynch be decided by who is the scummier of two townies, and not who is actually scum. you're just sitting there saying "oh yea bitches, duke it out and we'll lynch one of you!" and i kinda find that very scummy. very scum. Good point. I think, that if we must focus on a pair of players and lynch the scummiest, then it´s better to lynch either of Palmar or Curu than Jackal and WBG, but if there is a fifth candidate that appears, then sure, please make that case, just as long as we do two things, stay away from Jackal and WBG for now, and FOCUS the lynch on few and likely candidates, I don´t want to see 20 players voting on 20 candidates, because that´s a game with 19 scum in it. On the Curu and Palmar, I am leaning toward Curu being the scum. I don´t have a good tell on Palmar (I haven´t analysed Mig´s case yet), while I have a very unhelpfull read on Curu. He´s not playing quite as aggressive as in the last 2 games where I played with him, where he was scum both times, but he´s admitted that he´s aware of how his metagame looked in those games, and how he´s changed it this game. If a metagame analysis doesn´t much help, then the seemingly baseless case on Palmar and his empty posts is what I have to go on. He´s not revealing any proof on why Palmar is scum but still want to lynch him, so either he´s scum or the case was based on only PM-info. I´m leaning towards Scum. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On September 29 2011 23:43 Forumite wrote: Okay, Mig has a few good points on Palmar too. And a fun one, he´s admitting he doesn´t read the thread as scum, that´s good to know. I don't actually hide that fact lol | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On September 29 2011 23:23 Forumite wrote: Good point. I think, that if we must focus on a pair of players and lynch the scummiest, then it´s better to lynch either of Palmar or Curu than Jackal and WBG, but if there is a fifth candidate that appears, then sure, please make that case, just as long as we do two things, stay away from Jackal and WBG for now, and FOCUS the lynch on few and likely candidates, I don´t want to see 20 players voting on 20 candidates, because that´s a game with 19 scum in it. On the Curu and Palmar, I am leaning toward Curu being the scum. I don´t have a good tell on Palmar (I haven´t analysed Mig´s case yet), while I have a very unhelpfull read on Curu. He´s not playing quite as aggressive as in the last 2 games where I played with him, where he was scum both times, but he´s admitted that he´s aware of how his metagame looked in those games, and how he´s changed it this game. If a metagame analysis doesn´t much help, then the seemingly baseless case on Palmar and his empty posts is what I have to go on. He´s not revealing any proof on why Palmar is scum but still want to lynch him, so either he´s scum or the case was based on only PM-info. I´m leaning towards Scum. What the fuck is this? I'm not playing the same as the two games I was scum with you, therefore I must be scum? Are you retarded or something? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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NotChezinu
Zimbabwe61 Posts
Feel free to PM me with your thoughts safe in the knowledge that I will read them and think upon them. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
You aren't really this derp are you? Seriously? Are you scum or is your logic/reasoning really just this ass backwards? | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Then goes to on say Mig has some good points. Hey buddy, I raised pretty much the exact same points in my little spat with Palmar but you thought I was scummy for it. On September 29 2011 19:37 Curu wrote: Palmar is using meta arguments that are incorrect and weak to paint out Jackal as scum because of one post Jackal made. He's also being purposefully obtuse and calling me scummy because I am not playing like I was in AA (which was my first ever game, duh) which was something people seem to bring up every single game (Palmar's been a part of all of them and everyone's been wrong in every one of them). I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. I think Palmar is one of the best on TL in being able to differentiate stupidly posting Townies from scum but I'm not seeing any of it here. On September 29 2011 20:27 Curu wrote: Now you're very obviously scum. You're just retracing GM's scum steps in Ace's game huh. Comparing my meta here to my meta in a game with vastly different scenarios (I've even stated multiple times across multiple games that I am making my Town play less spammy from AA, which was my FIRST EVER MAFIA GAME AS TOWN). Throwing out the VE vs redFF scenario? lol, nothing similar to that has come up yet, when did I have the chance to try that this game? That and the fact that you cannot even consider the fact that posting the colours of my role PM without hesitation pretty much confirms me as Town. sup. The few games we actually have been together as Town (both Minis; Haunted House and Swedish House) I've been even more useless and one-liner-troll than I have been this game yet he was able to see me as Town there. What's changed in this game? His alignment obviously. Palmar's seen my scum play (and been able to identify it, actually, the only person in XLIV who was able to do so) and it should be obvious that what I am able to pull off as scum is much more detrimental to Town than just lurking and posting one liners. Palmar wants to use meta reasons to lynch me but he conveniently cherrypicks one game, which happened to be my first where I had no idea what I was doing, and in a completely different scenario. He then neglects to mention any of the other games I've played with him. Derp. Scum. | ||
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