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Oh for. I should never have made that stupid account.
On September 30 2011 02:57 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 02:49 DropBear wrote:I don't like the bugs lynch. He is being spammy and annoying and doing bad OMGUS votes. I've seen him play in 2 games before this, both as town and he was spammy and annoying in those and did bad OMGUS votes. Yes it is OMGUS. He claims you are scum, then you vote him. Semantics about him not actually voting are semantics. I have completely no idea how to read Palmar since he abused the hell out of me in XLIV as town and his derailing of Lord of the Rings. His Jackal vote was weak as hell but then most of his early reads are poor so I'm not sure what to think yet. The headbutting with Curu is just an ego battle. The Chezinu lynch is bad cos he is renowned for playing like a wierdo and supposedly hasn't even opened his role PM yet. The Jackal lynch is bad cos he's always quiet on day 1. I fail to see how he has claimed mute. It is true that he hasn't replied to my PM but then PMing me got him killed in Werewolves so I understand, even though I'm hurt  Basically all the lynches with more than 1 vote on them at the moment are poor in my opinion. I want to lynch Sevryn. What? So you are saying nothing at all with your first real post and then want to lynch someone while giving no reason or any form of analysis? Have you made an effort reading this thread? Mig provided some really strong analysis on Palmar, and while I dont like the way Curu has been posting , right now I think Palmar is our best shot at lynching scum today. ##Unvote ## Vote Palmar
Yes I have read the thread.
Mig's prime argument against Palmar is that he is a better player than his play in this game. My personal experience is that in fact his early play sucks in this game because his early play sucks in general. This is the guy who was renowned for shooting DTs we are talking about, plus his play in the last 2 games I've been involved in, once as town and once third party, was erratic and disruptive too.
I much prefer to lynch Sevryn than Palmar.
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On September 30 2011 02:54 DropBear wrote:
Sevryn is voting NotChezinu for trolling. This coming after he spent about half his posts rhyming and rapping.
He claims Chezinu is a lurker. Deflecting lynches onto lurkers is pro-mafia play.
No other contributions at all beside rapping and Chezinu needs to die cos he's a lurker. Voting Sevryn.
Im voting chezinu because I dont want to get into a situation where We cant read someone we need to be able to get a read on because he hasnt opened his role PM to be honest thats kind of going against the rules to play to win how can someone play to win if they dont know their own win condition. It is most def not town. now you might ask why i dont lynch someone else and you yourself said the main lynches are not very good so why not use day one to help make it so if we get LyLo we have a fighting chance
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On September 30 2011 02:49 DropBear wrote:I don't like the bugs lynch. He is being spammy and annoying and doing bad OMGUS votes. I've seen him play in 2 games before this, both as town and he was spammy and annoying in those and did bad OMGUS votes. Yes it is OMGUS. He claims you are scum, then you vote him. Semantics about him not actually voting are semantics. I have completely no idea how to read Palmar since he abused the hell out of me in XLIV as town and his derailing of Lord of the Rings. His Jackal vote was weak as hell but then most of his early reads are poor so I'm not sure what to think yet. The headbutting with Curu is just an ego battle. The Chezinu lynch is bad cos he is renowned for playing like a wierdo and supposedly hasn't even opened his role PM yet. The Jackal lynch is bad cos he's always quiet on day 1. I fail to see how he has claimed mute. It is true that he hasn't replied to my PM but then PMing me got him killed in Werewolves so I understand, even though I'm hurt Basically all the lynches with more than 1 vote on them at the moment are poor in my opinion. I want to lynch Sevryn.
What game other than XLIV have you seen my play?
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On September 30 2011 03:24 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 02:54 DropBear wrote:
Sevryn is voting NotChezinu for trolling. This coming after he spent about half his posts rhyming and rapping.
He claims Chezinu is a lurker. Deflecting lynches onto lurkers is pro-mafia play.
No other contributions at all beside rapping and Chezinu needs to die cos he's a lurker. Voting Sevryn. Im voting chezinu because I dont want to get into a situation where We cant read someone we need to be able to get a read on because he hasnt opened his role PM to be honest thats kind of going against the rules to play to win how can someone play to win if they dont know their own win condition. It is most def not town. now you might ask why i dont lynch someone else and you yourself said the main lynches are not very good so why not use day one to help make it so if we get LyLo we have a fighting chance
Actually tbh you're way more scummy than Chez is.
You don't comment on any of the main lynch targets at all.
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On September 30 2011 03:12 DropBear wrote:Oh for. I should never have made that stupid account. Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 02:57 Erandorr wrote:On September 30 2011 02:49 DropBear wrote:I don't like the bugs lynch. He is being spammy and annoying and doing bad OMGUS votes. I've seen him play in 2 games before this, both as town and he was spammy and annoying in those and did bad OMGUS votes. Yes it is OMGUS. He claims you are scum, then you vote him. Semantics about him not actually voting are semantics. I have completely no idea how to read Palmar since he abused the hell out of me in XLIV as town and his derailing of Lord of the Rings. His Jackal vote was weak as hell but then most of his early reads are poor so I'm not sure what to think yet. The headbutting with Curu is just an ego battle. The Chezinu lynch is bad cos he is renowned for playing like a wierdo and supposedly hasn't even opened his role PM yet. The Jackal lynch is bad cos he's always quiet on day 1. I fail to see how he has claimed mute. It is true that he hasn't replied to my PM but then PMing me got him killed in Werewolves so I understand, even though I'm hurt Basically all the lynches with more than 1 vote on them at the moment are poor in my opinion. I want to lynch Sevryn. What? So you are saying nothing at all with your first real post and then want to lynch someone while giving no reason or any form of analysis? Have you made an effort reading this thread? Mig provided some really strong analysis on Palmar, and while I dont like the way Curu has been posting , right now I think Palmar is our best shot at lynching scum today. ##Unvote ## Vote Palmar Yes I have read the thread. Mig's prime argument against Palmar is that he is a better player than his play in this game. My personal experience is that in fact his early play sucks in this game because his early play sucks in general. This is the guy who was renowned for shooting DTs we are talking about, plus his play in the last 2 games I've been involved in, once as town and once third party, was erratic and disruptive too. I much prefer to lynch Sevryn than Palmar.
Hmm I need to look closer at Sev then , but you have seen his town play , right? I would say we can give him a couple of more days instead of going for the really easy kill on someone who is known for being scummy as hell when town.
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On September 30 2011 03:26 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 03:24 Sevryn wrote:On September 30 2011 02:54 DropBear wrote:
Sevryn is voting NotChezinu for trolling. This coming after he spent about half his posts rhyming and rapping.
He claims Chezinu is a lurker. Deflecting lynches onto lurkers is pro-mafia play.
No other contributions at all beside rapping and Chezinu needs to die cos he's a lurker. Voting Sevryn. Im voting chezinu because I dont want to get into a situation where We cant read someone we need to be able to get a read on because he hasnt opened his role PM to be honest thats kind of going against the rules to play to win how can someone play to win if they dont know their own win condition. It is most def not town. now you might ask why i dont lynch someone else and you yourself said the main lynches are not very good so why not use day one to help make it so if we get LyLo we have a fighting chance Actually tbh you're way more scummy than Chez is. You don't comment on any of the main lynch targets at all.
I dont like the main lynches at all tbh its pairs of people waving dicks at eachother about meta
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lol DropBear. Palmar's early game is shitty? He correctly identified me, Mig, and BB as scum day 1 in XLIV, made the entire Mafia team forfeit day 2 in Swedish House, and led the lynch on the Godfather day 1 of Haunted House.
I'm going to ignore Forumite until he stops posting blatantly nonsensical bullshit. My play seems odd this game...well derp derp the two games you played with me I was scum. If my play seems different that should tell you I'm Town. Oh wait but WIFOM I did that on purpose ahahahahahaha no.
Sevyrn is looking pretty godamn scummy but he is Sevyrn after all.
I don't want to be a dick to the mods but their posts on the previous page pretty much confirm that Palmar is scum. If he was a Townie making a legitimate mistake the hosts would not have said anything at all but since it was a mistake on their part (prolly colouring the Mafia PMs red while leaving the rest black) they had to step in and post something. The only concern I had was if certain power roles were coloured and Palmar had one of those but he confirmed to me in Skype that his PM was black (actually he said it was blue first, then read my post, then changed it to black lol).
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On September 30 2011 03:28 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 03:12 DropBear wrote:Oh for. I should never have made that stupid account. On September 30 2011 02:57 Erandorr wrote:On September 30 2011 02:49 DropBear wrote:I don't like the bugs lynch. He is being spammy and annoying and doing bad OMGUS votes. I've seen him play in 2 games before this, both as town and he was spammy and annoying in those and did bad OMGUS votes. Yes it is OMGUS. He claims you are scum, then you vote him. Semantics about him not actually voting are semantics. I have completely no idea how to read Palmar since he abused the hell out of me in XLIV as town and his derailing of Lord of the Rings. His Jackal vote was weak as hell but then most of his early reads are poor so I'm not sure what to think yet. The headbutting with Curu is just an ego battle. The Chezinu lynch is bad cos he is renowned for playing like a wierdo and supposedly hasn't even opened his role PM yet. The Jackal lynch is bad cos he's always quiet on day 1. I fail to see how he has claimed mute. It is true that he hasn't replied to my PM but then PMing me got him killed in Werewolves so I understand, even though I'm hurt Basically all the lynches with more than 1 vote on them at the moment are poor in my opinion. I want to lynch Sevryn. What? So you are saying nothing at all with your first real post and then want to lynch someone while giving no reason or any form of analysis? Have you made an effort reading this thread? Mig provided some really strong analysis on Palmar, and while I dont like the way Curu has been posting , right now I think Palmar is our best shot at lynching scum today. ##Unvote ## Vote Palmar Yes I have read the thread. Mig's prime argument against Palmar is that he is a better player than his play in this game. My personal experience is that in fact his early play sucks in this game because his early play sucks in general. This is the guy who was renowned for shooting DTs we are talking about, plus his play in the last 2 games I've been involved in, once as town and once third party, was erratic and disruptive too. I much prefer to lynch Sevryn than Palmar. Hmm I need to look closer at Sev then , but you have seen his town play , right? I would say we can give him a couple of more days instead of going for the really easy kill on someone who is known for being scummy as hell when town.
This I agree with, but the only problem is that Sevryn just refuses to look at any of the main lynch targets (myself, Jackal, Curu, Palmar) all of his posts are dismissive whenever someone asks him about them.
We have like 4 hours left? Right?
This also raises the issue of, why are we splitting the vote so late in the day? This is why I disagree with DB's vote on Sevryn. You're not gonna get him lynched if he's mafia, there's too little time to switch a lynch now.
Note Jackal has disappeared since our little spat. He hasn't posted once. He might be active in PM land and only those who have been in contact with him would know, but it's fairly clear that he's going to make his vote and opinions clear at a time of day that is so late that none of us can question it and discuss it.
Likewise, I'm uncomfortable with Incognito disappearing but being active in PMs, also without a vote or public discussion. Multiple players can come in before the deadline and just vote with fake or minimal justification and just ruin hours of day 1 build up in one fell swoop.
This is why I think it's imperative that suspicions be backed up with votes. Townies shouldn't be afraid of putting their vote on someone. It's a validification of your suspicions and if you have a good case you should welcome the attention that it brings so you can clarify yourself. Mafia don't like clarifying themselves for obvious reasons so they're more likely to vote with minimal justification or vote late in the day so they can slip in without too much suspicion.
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On September 30 2011 03:35 Curu wrote:
I don't want to be a dick to the mods but their posts on the previous page pretty much confirm that Palmar is scum. If he was a Townie making a legitimate mistake the hosts would not have said anything at all but since it was a mistake on their part (prolly colouring the Mafia PMs red while leaving the rest black) they had to step in and post something. The only concern I had was if certain power roles were coloured and Palmar had one of those but he confirmed to me in Skype that his PM was black (actually he said it was blue first, then read my post, then changed it to black lol).
Agreed. The way I read kita's post was like "scum know what the town PMs look like, so Palmar would be able to justify a claim" or something like that.
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Yo Palmar which host sent you your PM?
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On September 30 2011 03:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yo Palmar which host sent you your PM?
I advocate against trying that bugs, its comparable to comparing time stamps to determine roles, and a low blow. Dont do it.
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On September 30 2011 03:35 Curu wrote:
lol DropBear. Palmar's early game is shitty? He correctly identified me, Mig, and BB as scum day 1 in XLIV, made the entire Mafia team forfeit day 2 in Swedish House, and led the lynch on the Godfather day 1 of Haunted House.
I'm going to ignore Forumite until he stops posting blatantly nonsensical bullshit. My play seems odd this game...well derp derp the two games you played with me I was scum. If my play seems different that should tell you I'm Town. Oh wait but WIFOM I did that on purpose ahahahahahaha no.
Do I really have to explain about metagame again? Basically I´m looking at this game only, ignoring your metagame for once, and then your play feels like you are reluctant to give info and like you are mostly in PM-land. If it was just you, then my gut feeling says that I should keep my eyes on you.
However, Curu might give me bad wibes, but he hasn´t posted lies as part of his analysisas far as I´ve seen, while Palmar is picking and choosing to create an analysis in order to take out a good player. I want to lynch Palmar today, especially if he doesn´t get back and explain himself.
##Unvote Sinani206
##Vote Palmar
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Well this is stupid.
If Curu or anyone else is allowed to use that discrepancy to call someone scum how are we supposed to consider his vote?
I realize Kita said we're not allowed to discuss that but then now multiple players seem to agree it condemns palmar.
:/
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Yeah I didn't actually fish for it though. Palmar and the mods made that mess themselves.
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Yeah I know, but I actually care whether Palmar could've said that as town, legitimately.
If it is a slip then he's obv scum but if it wasn't then we just wasted 48 hours more or less
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That's not even the condemning part, just icing on the cake. My points and Mig's still stand regardless of PM slip-up or no PM slip-up.
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closing thoughts, I'm sorry but I can't be here at the lynch.
Lynch Curu tomorrow, or just vig him tonight, he's almost definitely scum. I fucked up and gave him a "scumslip" which is the main reason mig believes him. I think mig is town though.
Jackal should be looked at, same with incognito, but the latter will definitely reveal himself through posting. Mig had a good point that alignment checking incog is fruitless as he's almost definitely godfather if he's scum
I'm a BLU Pyro for the record.
I'm sorry but I'm in kind of a hurry so I can't make this much longer, just don't fuck up.
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Looks like I'm getting modkilled regardless but I'm pretty sure Kurumi's decision in that is because you actually are scum. Dunno why he would threaten to modkill both of us if we were both Townies since playing like that would already be punishment to our win con.
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Jesus Christ why is no one (mods inclusive) being open about this information?
If Curu is gonna get modkilled can we get some clarification up in here?
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Also in future games can we please have cohesion among the hosts (or have one host send all the PMs) so we don't have this shit?
In XLIV we debated whether Kurumi was scum thanks to that troll sandroba capitalizing all the yous in his role post. This kind of thing detracts from the point of the game IMO
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