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On December 01 2011 00:22 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 00:16 xtfftc wrote:
Please re-read my post, especially the bit that says "you would be able to confirm your sanity after you see the flip". how can you confirm your sanity if the alignment you got was not correct? I'll show you what I mean. You check someone night 1 and you get TownNext day, that person dies and shows itself as [green]Town[/geen]. With this, you can be either Naive or Sane, right? Night 2, you check someone and get TownAnd then the person dies and you get MafiaOh, so you must be Naive! No, because if the second check was framed, you'd get town anyways and you could be actually Sane. How can framing not count on that?!
Uh, looks like I was the one who needed guidence, not the newbies. :/ Didn't think it through properly. The DTs wouldn't get their sanity 100% confirmed but would still get some though, even with a successful frame (if you get a green check, you're sane/naive).
Also, Deathy ruins my brain cells.
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The ideal situation with two checks is to get one red and one green. That eliminates the possibility of being naive/paranoid and means that your checks are guaranteed to give some information at the very least. Once people start flipping you can then try to deduce whether you are sane or insane.
If you get two green or two red, don't automatically assume naive/paranoid. However don't put too much faith into your checks until you get a different result. Again, once people start flipping it should be easier to narrow down your sanity.
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On November 30 2011 14:56 Serejai wrote:
I'm actually not really trolling. I mean, I've had a few posts... but everyone I've listed as mafia thus far I 100% believe to be mafia. I'm just really, really terrible at this game apparently. Now my last game... THAT was trolling -_-
Alright, this has got to end. Serejai has been shitting up this discussion with senseless accusations since the game started, and there are only two reasons to be trying to sow chaos and distrust into a game that is confusing enough for the noobs that comprise most of the player population: Either you're awful or you're scum, and either way you need to be removed from the discussion.
Everyone I've listed as mafia thus far I 100% believe to be mafia."
You are lying. The players you have explicitly labeled scum are:
+ Show Spoiler +supersoft
Match
redFF
Annul
kitaman
Palmar
sandroba
intrigue
Kurumi
GreyMist
wherebugsgo
Kenpachi
BloodyC0bbler
risk.nuke
Hassybaby
vaderseven
layabout
Seventeen players, already more bullshit scum reads than can possibly be right. Plus your wonderfully thought out early game list of players you announced to be scummy enough to be worth lynching day 1:
+ Show Spoiler +Tyrran
Vain
eezyBash
Mattchew
Belial-
MrZentor
dukethegold
iLoveKT
t3tsubo
cosine
Chanyman
Penke
ArcticRaven
ptz
Soap
RoyGBiv_13
Coagulation
Holyflare
tree.hugger
TheToast
vaderseven
RogerX
Gavin
spartan N30
Lemonwalrus
You've accused no fewer than 42 players of being scum since the game started, and have provided nothing but bullshit arguments at every turn.
Your campaign play was utterly trollish
I voted for sinani206 because he's a patriot ('MERICA, FUCK YEAH!) and because all the other candidates probably want to lynch me.
Followed by the declaration of your own candidacy, based on the logic that you'd have been modkilled if you were scum, which makes absolutely no sense.
And you can't even keep your own bullshit straight:
On November 29 2011 14:26 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 14:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
ALSO. Leave WBG alone for now. He has done nothing that bars getting lynched above palmar or annul. Annul has actively tried to push the lynch discussion to people based off day 1 clues. He has done other things that I have mentioned in a previous post. He is not helpful and is attempting to push lynches astray. Off him now -_- Sounds like our sheriff may be scum as well. Hm...
On November 29 2011 23:28 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 23:08 sandroba wrote:
@serejai who are the vets you think are town? so far every single one of them you called scum. youngminii BrownBear LSB BloodyC0bblerAce bumatlarge tnkted tree.hugger (if he's a vet) That's been my town veteran list all game. I can't help it you mafia veterans have managed to take out most of them already.
Serejai needs to die. He's making the game significantly more difficult for a player population that he knows in inexperienced and unused to synthesizing the data dump that is a game of Mafia. It doesn't even matter if he's just doing it because he's awful - his play is anti-town. Serejai needs to die.
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Wait, did 6 or 7 scummy fuckers ninja vote ONE PERSON and some of them actually claim mafia in this thread?
Fuck, this game just got interesting.
Okay, a couple of things :
We can't afford to lose our Sherrif at this point in the game. Whether BC is scum or not is pretty much irrelevant at this time. The only question is if BC was involved in this plan as Scum, of if Mafia just fucked up gloriously (honestly thats pretty hard to believe) but that doesn't matter right now.
Question : Can anyone think of a way how Vigs can clean up this mess without overlapping and wasting a ton of our KP?
Everybody, ignore anything any of those guys say from now on. The only thing thse guys can do now is spread confusion / fuck up the thread. What you *should* do, however, is go back and read the thread and look at how they interacted with players BEFORE all this went down. Its basicly a shitton of free information for us, a lot earlier than it should have been.
Thats it for now, I am going to reread the last hundred pages, if anyone has questions for me feel free to ask,.
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Also lets lynch Decon , soon.
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Ah finally got back. Can't believe so many people voted for Palmar.. We now maybe have a mafia sherrif, and who knows if we will get the DL.
I voted for Risen as the second lynch target because at the time I went to bed, he was second highest after zeks, thus saving Palmar or BC from being lynched.
Might I note that BC voted for Palmar and annul. However, we shouldnt touch him, we need someone in office for the DL.
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@Errandor Can you explain your inactivity and day 1 behaviour? It's real nice that you come in here to parrot everything that's been said.
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On November 30 2011 13:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Double lynch pm will be sent moments after I post this.
I am truely sorry for misreading palmar so grossly but via the actions of the mafia this game has just got significantly easier. Lets clear out the last second voters and get ontop of this game.
I happen to trust BC, so I think we've got it.
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On December 01 2011 01:39 AmericanUmlaut wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 14:56 Serejai wrote:
I'm actually not really trolling. I mean, I've had a few posts... but everyone I've listed as mafia thus far I 100% believe to be mafia. I'm just really, really terrible at this game apparently. Now my last game... THAT was trolling -_- Alright, this has got to end. Serejai has been shitting up this discussion with senseless accusations since the game started, and there are only two reasons to be trying to sow chaos and distrust into a game that is confusing enough for the noobs that comprise most of the player population: Either you're awful or you're scum, and either way you need to be removed from the discussion. You are lying. The players you have explicitly labeled scum are: + Show Spoiler +supersoft
Match
redFF
Annul
kitaman
Palmar
sandroba
intrigue
Kurumi
GreyMist
wherebugsgo
Kenpachi
BloodyC0bbler
risk.nuke
Hassybaby
vaderseven
layabout Seventeen players, already more bullshit scum reads than can possibly be right. Plus your wonderfully thought out early game list of players you announced to be scummy enough to be worth lynching day 1: + Show Spoiler +Tyrran
Vain
eezyBash
Mattchew
Belial-
MrZentor
dukethegold
iLoveKT
t3tsubo
cosine
Chanyman
Penke
ArcticRaven
ptz
Soap
RoyGBiv_13
Coagulation
Holyflare
tree.hugger
TheToast
vaderseven
RogerX
Gavin
spartan N30
Lemonwalrus You've accused no fewer than 42 players of being scum since the game started, and have provided nothing but bullshit arguments at every turn. Your campaign play was utterly trollish Show nested quote +I voted for sinani206 because he's a patriot ('MERICA, FUCK YEAH!) and because all the other candidates probably want to lynch me. Followed by the declaration of your own candidacy, based on the logic that you'd have been modkilled if you were scum, which makes absolutely no sense. And you can't even keep your own bullshit straight: Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 14:26 Serejai wrote:On November 29 2011 14:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
ALSO. Leave WBG alone for now. He has done nothing that bars getting lynched above palmar or annul. Annul has actively tried to push the lynch discussion to people based off day 1 clues. He has done other things that I have mentioned in a previous post. He is not helpful and is attempting to push lynches astray. Off him now -_- Sounds like our sheriff may be scum as well. Hm... Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 23:28 Serejai wrote:On November 29 2011 23:08 sandroba wrote:
@serejai who are the vets you think are town? so far every single one of them you called scum. youngminii BrownBear LSB BloodyC0bblerAce bumatlarge tnkted tree.hugger (if he's a vet) That's been my town veteran list all game. I can't help it you mafia veterans have managed to take out most of them already. Serejai needs to die. He's making the game significantly more difficult for a player population that he knows in inexperienced and unused to synthesizing the data dump that is a game of Mafia. It doesn't even matter if he's just doing it because he's awful - his play is anti-town. Serejai needs to die.
Lynch this scum when I flip blue please.
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Er, green* Second time I've done that.
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On December 01 2011 02:00 Serejai wrote:
Er, green* Second time I've done that.
mods! is this guys actually allowed to straight up troll the thread?
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That's what vigi shots are for...
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On December 01 2011 02:07 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 02:00 Serejai wrote:
Er, green* Second time I've done that. mods! is this guys actually allowed to straight up troll the thread?
How am I trolling? This is my first ever game of mafia as town and the online mafia games I play have townies labeled as blue regardless of power role or not. I corrected myself both times.
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On December 01 2011 01:14 vaderseven wrote:
I have to get busy here for a bit but I am going to post the highlights of my notes on people before the night is up cuz I have no idea if I will be alive in the morning with all these loud posts of shooooooooot hiiiiiiiim.
So you're afraid of vigilanties while us townies are scared of the mafia?
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On December 01 2011 01:54 sandroba wrote:
@Errandor Can you explain your inactivity and day 1 behaviour? It's real nice that you come in here to parrot everything that's been said.
Got my Dota2 Key and didnt put any effort in this game from then on. Can't promise that I will be ultra active but I will contribute a lot more from now on
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Sandro: Tnkted, Grey, Decon and Brownbear. What are your thoughts on those guys?
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Coincidentally, you're also on my scum list. When I flip green and the pressure is on you is that going to be your excuse? "I'm not mafia! I thought he was trolling!"
You're gonna need a better one that that. Especially since even though you've posted a lot of walls of text in this thread they're all fluff and contain no real substance. All of your posts are of the "appears to contribute without actually contributing" variety, and I have no doubt town will catch on eventually and start looking into your scummy playstyle.
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On November 30 2011 23:28 Zephirdd wrote:
at this point, looking at Ciryandor's post, I'm inclined to believe that BC is actually town and his bodyguards aren't...
How were bodyguards determined? RNG? Statistics say it's unlikely both are mafia. Do the bodyguards know who each other are, do we know?
On November 30 2011 23:49 Serejai wrote:
To clarify, I feel annul is bussing vaderseven since he scumslipped and is going to die anyway. Kenpachi and Ciryandor also scumslipped and would die regardless. It's extremely easy for annul to simply buss these three other mafia (and even Lemonwalrus/coag, who will likely be modkilled or lurker bane killed) because
a) They're going to die anyway, and
b) By bussing them he gets town cred without any negative consequences to his scum team (see a)
Please, please don't let annul sheep you guys into thinking he's town because of these flips.
Everyone knows they're scum and everyone's going to push them. I fail to see why annul would be any different.
I think annul is town, personally, whereas you feel scummier to me (but definitely not as much as some of the other people such as Kenpachi).
On December 01 2011 00:03 Hassybaby wrote:
Annul, I have a serious question, and I hope you can answer it well. You say you started the campaign on Zeks based on that clue. Why didn't you do the same for me? What was different between the cases?
You're saying there was a clue connected to you?
Again, not all mafia kill (8 KP, 16 mafia, 50% kill, 50% don't), Clues aren't EVERYTHING in this game. They do factor in a bit, but aren't the most important thing (we still need to scumhunt).
On December 01 2011 02:17 Serejai wrote:
Coincidentally, you're also on my scum list. When I flip green and the pressure is on you is that going to be your excuse? "I'm not mafia! I thought he was trolling!"
You're gonna need a better one that that. Especially since even though you've posted a lot of walls of text in this thread they're all fluff and contain no real substance. All of your posts are of the "appears to contribute without actually contributing" variety, and I have no doubt town will catch on eventually and start looking into your scummy playstyle.
I do agree with him in regards to layabout, though.
I'm off to class now. I'll be back and I will post more.
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