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Killer Cuppa Tea (9): Liquid`Sheth, AnxiousHippo, Cephiro, Tunkeg, Jitsu, Gonzaw, Blurry, Probulous, CatsnHats
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Current votes: Killer Cuppa Tea (9): Liquid`Sheth, AnxiousHippo, Cephiro, Tunkeg, Jitsu, Gonzaw, Blurry, Probulous, CatsnHats Xeris, Gretorp and Killer Cuppa Tea have not voted yet. Please notify me if you find a mistake. Voting ends 30 minutes. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Good, we need a lynch today. We only have 9 votes on Tea, so nobody even think about swinging their votes at the last minute and force a NL, we'll assume you are scum if you do. I'll reread everything now (maybe I'll be finished once the day is over though). Also, I REALLY hope Xeris and Gretorp come here soon, they (specially Xeris) have A LOT to explain. And hell, if they are replaced again I'll shoot myself in the foot. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
 Way to save yourself bro. If you end up flipping green I am not going to be impressed. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jgk6G.jpg) A Killer Cuppa Tea Loved the smell of the fresh air in the city as he drove in. This seemed like the perfect place to start his new life, free from all the hassles of his shady past as an accountant. His daydreams were interrupted, however, when he was met by an mob of people who forced him from his car. "Here he is!" their leader shouted. "Here is that damn CookieMaker! He musta ran out of town and disguised himself so he could sneak back in!" Before A Killer Cuppa Tea could protest, the mob raised their patented Liquidia Pitchforks and torches, and he was quickly taken by the mob. Police showed up minutes later to break up the riot, but it was already too late. They discovered that this time, the citizens of Liquidia were the ones that had murdered an Innocent. A Killer Cuppa Tea, The Vanilla Townie has been lynched! Vote Count: A Killer Cuppa Tea (9): Gonzaw, Tunkeg, Blurry, Probulous, Cephiro, CatsnHats, Liquid`Sheth, Jitsu, AnxiousHippo. Night1 has begun! please submit all night actions to both me and Risk.Nuke. To those of you who are new, there is no restriction of conversation during the night phase of this game. Night ends in 24 hours, on Saturday, Jan 07 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Xeris and Gretorp have been Warned for failure to vote! | ||
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CatsnHats
United States199 Posts
You quoted me as saying "Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with." as evidence that I flip-flopped when I later included him on my scum reads. But you didn't quote the whole post. I said: RE: CookieMaker Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with. I cannot let you off the hook yet for shady opening play. The poem, Odin/Thor references, fluff posts, "jabbing and dodging" who you accused of jabbing and dodging, etc. All of this leans towards scum I think. I've never flipped on CM, you just didn't include this to make your case. It seems alot of people have a habit of doing that. And no, you didn't fall off of my list, if you actually read Jitsu's post you aren't mentioned on it, so I didn't include you. Don't worry you're still on it. You're actually at the top of it for D2. That's not OMGUS, it's just that you are top two with CM/Tea and once he's gone you're logically next on the list. My flip from Gretorp to you was to kill the greater of two evils a the moment, since Gretorp's inactivity had left him as a harder read when compared to you. And then I switched my vote from you to Tea because it seemed we were going to be deadlocked, and killing #2 on my list and letting #1 go is much better than letting both #1 and #2 go. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
 AKCT that was terrible attempt at redemption. You don't vacate the thread two hours before lynch and never return. I'm going to take a break until just before the night ends. Will post my updated reads then. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Okay guys, now reread every town and scum read from Cookie/Tea and knowing they were green. Also check everybody's reason for voting them, just like we were discussing with Prob, etc. Hey Prob, a question regarding the inactives: On January 06 2012 08:58 Probulous wrote:I agree that Xeris, and Gretorp are looking bad, but that is mainly due to inactivity. At this rate they will be mod-killed for lack of a vote. You really think Xeris and Gretorp ONLY (hyperbole here, don't dwell on it) look bad because they are inactive? What do you think about Gretorp's "joke", "promise" of analysis' and failure to state so? What do you think about all the points I mentioned about Xeris? Him saying "I'm a good townie! Look at me!" and then undermining himself? Him posting thoughts about RL (same as Tea) when it was never discussed and failing to address any of these points when he was active?. | ||
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CatsnHats
United States199 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On January 06 2012 10:06 gonzaw wrote: Hmm.. Okay guys, now reread every town and scum read from Cookie/Tea and knowing they were green. Also check everybody's reason for voting them, just like we were discussing with Prob, etc. Hey Prob, a question regarding the inactives: You really think Xeris and Gretorp ONLY (hyperbole here, don't dwell on it) look bad because they are inactive? What do you think about Gretorp's "joke", "promise" of analysis' and failure to state so? What do you think about all the points I mentioned about Xeris? Him saying "I'm a good townie! Look at me!" and then undermining himself? Him posting thoughts about RL (same as Tea) when it was never discussed and failing to address any of these points when he was active?. Ok, one last post before I leave, you guys keep dragging me back in  The problem I have is that the lack of posts makes it very hard to judge what Gretorp's motivations are. How do we tell whether he is a bored/timepressured townie or a mafia trying to lurk? I am more than happy for others to try and work it out but it would be a waste of time for me to try. Nothing they have done screams townie, but nothing screams mafia either. This because neither of them have done anything. Hence they are both null for the moment. I would implore my fellow townies to provide some analysis on why these guys are town/mafia. I just can't make up my mind based on what I've read. Finally both have been warned for lack of voting, if they do it again or don't post for 24hrs they will be modkilled. Why waste a lynch at this point that gives us no information? Better to lynch someone we think is scum than someone who may or may not be. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 06 2012 10:15 Probulous wrote: Ok, one last post before I leave, you guys keep dragging me back in The problem I have is that the lack of posts makes it very hard to judge what Gretorp's motivations are. How do we tell whether he is a bored/timepressured townie or a mafia trying to lurk? I am more than happy for others to try and work it out but it would be a waste of time for me to try. Nothing they have done screams townie, but nothing screams mafia either. This because neither of them have done anything. Hence they are both null for the moment. I would implore my fellow townies to provide some analysis on why these guys are town/mafia. I just can't make up my mind based on what I've read. Finally both have been warned for lack of voting, if they do it again or don't post for 24hrs they will be modkilled. Why waste a lynch at this point that gives us no information? Better to lynch someone we think is scum than someone who may or may not be. I'm not actually saying they are mafia. They are just VERY scummy, inconsistent, and we NEED TO PRESSURE THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Ever since the whole Cephiro vs Cookie thing came up, we basicly ignored them. We can't do that anymore. We have to either threaten them with a lynch, or with a DT check (if there is one) or something, they can't go like that anymore. Also, like I said the point is not lynching them just because (that's stupid), the point is getting them to talk. Also, I'm very suspicious of Xeris at the moment. Even though he had 4 posts in which you say makes him "hard to judge", here's what he did: -He contradicted himself. -He talked about mechanics when it wasn't necessary nor was the current discussion -He ignored people's votes and pressure on him. -He played the "I'm a good town! You better not lynch me because I'm good!" and the "Maybe I'm bad at online mafia, don't take my reads into account" card (related to point #1) I can't just ignore him, I can't. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
For instance, I can't believe EVERYBODY ignored this: Meh. I'm not convinced of anything. I'll follow along with a lynch if people are convinced and just going to go for it | ||
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CatsnHats
United States199 Posts
@Town: Cookie also had a slight green read on Sheth and a very scummy read on myself, which led to a vote against me. He didn't post his reasoning for it though other than giving a someone take my analysis before I could say post, which the town later pressured him on. He didn't answered the pressure though, and this was his last post before he was replaced with Tea. On January 05 2012 13:08 CookieMaker wrote: Your evidence was everything I had against Cats. My plan was to transition out of "Sheth should have put more pressure on him" into "... and this is why". I felt like I was getting unlucky after analyzing 4-5 players and coming up with zero good scum reads and only 1-2 town reads (despite the consensus against Ceph, I'm still confident in my read). Finally when I stumble upon a clear winner for wishy-washy of the year award, you've already beaten me to it. Cats was going to be my big expose'. ##Vote for CatsnHats | ||
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CatsnHats
United States199 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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CatsnHats
United States199 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
So here we go What do you think about Gretorp's "joke", "promise" of analysis' and failure to state so? It is bad play. No town should promise something and then not deliver. However he did point out the waffle nature of Cephiro's posting and his unwillingness to actually say someone is scum. On January 05 2012 07:36 Gretorp wrote: cephiro, why are you trying to create outlandish narratives to make a decisive choice? You aren't' leaving much range for people to be townie. so interesting! :-) Hence until further posting arises he is null to me. What do you think about all the points I mentioned about Xeris? Him saying "I'm a good townie! Look at me!" and then undermining himself? Him posting thoughts about RL (same as Tea) when it was never discussed and failing to address any of these points when he was active?. Your analysis is pretty good. I always had him as more scummy than Gretorp. His avoidance of responsiblity and blatant trashing of any case presented is not helping. Neither is his lack of posting. He does look scummy but I still want to hear from him before making up my mind. @Sheth Given this was your reasoning for finding Xeris REALLY pro-town On January 05 2012 12:57 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Well, the Xeris thing is based completely on the fact that I know him really well IRL and we've played mafia a bunch before. He is really bad mafia. Like he'd be lurking and mod killed if he was mafia. and the fact that Xeris is no where to be seen and warned for not voting, has your positioned changed? He seems to be playing exactly as you would expect him to if he were mafia. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On January 06 2012 10:02 CatsnHats wrote: @Ceph Jumping on the CatsnHats bandwagon I see. It seems like you trying to get people to spare you on D2 by shifting attention to me. You quoted me as saying "Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with." as evidence that I flip-flopped when I later included him on my scum reads. But you didn't quote the whole post. I said: I've never flipped on CM, you just didn't include this to make your case. It seems alot of people have a habit of doing that. And no, you didn't fall off of my list, if you actually read Jitsu's post you aren't mentioned on it, so I didn't include you. Don't worry you're still on it. You're actually at the top of it for D2. That's not OMGUS, it's just that you are top two with CM/Tea and once he's gone you're logically next on the list. My flip from Gretorp to you was to kill the greater of two evils a the moment, since Gretorp's inactivity had left him as a harder read when compared to you. And then I switched my vote from you to Tea because it seemed we were going to be deadlocked, and killing #2 on my list and letting #1 go is much better than letting both #1 and #2 go. I didn't quote the whole post, because it wasn't necessary. My point was that YOU AGREED with CookieMaker's pro-town read on me at that point. Not anything about flipping on CM, so don't make stuff up. What makes me a greater evil than Gretorp to you? You still haven't posted any original thoughts of yours against anyone you've accused of being scum. Lurking around at the beginning, writing a paragraph of text that amounts to nothing, and then OMGUS-ing the person that prods you... not a good look Gretorp. Pretty scummy if you ask me. You said this after Gretorp answered to Tunkeg's accusations. = Nothing original. You want accusations, here are my slight scum reads. RE: Xeris Inactive early and his only posted content centers on not lynching after much discussion has already taken place amongst the town about why that is a bad idea. That would seem to be a play for a mafia freekill on N1. RE: CookieMaker Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with. I cannot let you off the hook yet for shady opening play. The poem, Odin/Thor references, fluff posts, "jabbing and dodging" who you accused of jabbing and dodging, etc. All of this leans towards scum I think. RE: Gretorp He is the scummiest player so far. From the joke in post one to the back down in post two to this new third post, every response is just too cute and offers nothing in the way of analysis or contribution. Two to three sentence posts of no substance seem very suspicious. How original, you are repeating the opinions of others on your three scum reads. @Jitsu You have so much wrong about me I don't know where to start. I waited around 2 hours and 30 posts before I first commented. How is that lurking, especially for it being my first game? Others waited much longer and did not draw your attention. I was the second person to talk about Gretorp, and I was the first to call him out on his response to Tunkeg's prod. And how could I have changed my top 3 scum reads when that was the first time I posted them? Gretorp stayed on the list, Xeris advocated no-lynch, and CM had been very shady (as was explained in the post and echoed by others later). I kept pressing and pressing Gretorp because I stuck to my stance and he hadn't answered yet, but that is explained because he works all day for NASL. I await his response. I appreciate your concern, and like your aggression for me to explain myself. I have a town read for you, and I hope this clarifies things You were not the first to call him out on his response to Tunkeg. I WAS Nice try. You are trying to claim you were the first one to pressure a lurker's response, yet you weren't. And we're talking about a LURKER. What a risky move. Are you sure you didn't mean to type "echoed by me" later? When you were providing your first reads about CM, you were only copying the facts others had already said. Gretorp is explained because he works in NASL? Please. We others have lives too, and don't necessarily work any less. I hope "this clarifies things", means your whole post, and not "I have a town read for you". On January 05 2012 12:27 Jitsu wrote: Also, just so I have it here. I am willing to bet that if Cats dies and flips red, Cookie will too. Your response was this: Also why would Cookie flip red too? He's been on my scum list from the beginning and he has now voted for me. Wait...what do we have here. You say that you have him as scum from beginning, and that he is playing against you. BANG. You are trying to convince others that you are not in the same team with Cookie. What are you going to do now that he flipped green? Certainly isn't looking good for you. Yeah I know I look scummy. People are holding my first two newb posts against me and it's clouding their judgement on the rest of my play. At this point in the game Cephiro is definitely more scummy than Gretorp, especially in light of Gretorp promising a long post and his being at work all day + That being said, despite your circular theoretical talk, at this point I'm confident in your analysis of Cephiro and think he is more of a threat than Gretorp. So unvote Gretorp vote Cephiro You ACKNOWLEDGE that you look scummy, and the first thing you do is jump on my bandwagon, based on someone elses analysis. According to you, I am definitely more scummy than Gretorp, because Probu said so. And Gretorp promised to post after his hard working day. EBWOP: I know this makes me look even more bandwaggony to you Jitsu. But I can't worry about your thoughts about me. I just need to help find scum and let my play speak for itself. Your play certainly speaks for itself. You haven't helped to find ANY scum so far. Because riding on bandwagons without making a case against someone yourself is so much easier? For the record, I guess it is possible that Jitsu, Sheth, and Prob are the three mafia trying to pressure me from the beginning into voting for a target of their choice. I find it highly unlikely, however, that all three of you would be so vocal and hold such a majority of the spotlight, as this would certainly be a risky play. So I feel good about the vote switch. I just wanted to get this thought out there. + I just getting all the possibilities out there, and I said that you all being mafia was low probability, so if anything that would be taking suspicion from you. As I have said before from the beginning, my third (albeit a distant one relative to the others) at the moment is Xeris due to his no-lynch posts, lurking, and non-responses to player questions. He has left very little material to go on, but that is my third for now. For me it's Cephiro>CM>Xeris. I could see Xeris dropping off this list though when he, Gretorp, AH, Blurry, and others post again. So basically, you are theorycrafting how someone else than me could be scum, but it is unlikely, so I don't really think you are. Talk about fluff! Oh wait, you did something new, you're jumping on Xeris! Except his inactiveness has been pointed out already. Now let's see at your scumreads at this point. "For me it's Cephiro>CM>Xeris" Wow, 2 bandwagons and 1 lurker. So original.@Cephiro I was about to ask you to change your vote to Tea, but you did it before I could finish. Tea/CM was on my scum list the whole time (check my filter), so I'm fine with lynching him instead of a no-lynch D1. Yep, bandwagoning since the start indeed. And at no point did you provide own analysis. Because when others do it, it's enough, right? I think I've got my strongest scumread right against the wall now. Let's see how you'll convince your way out of this one. I'll leave this here and go sleep now. I'll be interested in seeing your response when I am back. And if you're trying to blame me for jumping on the bandwagon, try. I am providing my own analysis and reasoning as to why you are scum, unlike what you ever did. You got away due to the heavy case on me, but where are you going to go now? You won't be able to hide on a bandwagon until you try and defend yourself, I'll be making sure of that. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On January 06 2012 10:36 CatsnHats wrote: @Town: Cookie also had a slight green read on Sheth and a very scummy read on myself, which led to a vote against me. He didn't post his reasoning for it though other than giving a someone take my analysis before I could say post, which the town later pressured him on. He didn't answered the pressure though, and this was his last post before he was replaced with Tea. You're going to have to try that again son. Why are you pointing out Cookie's read on you? Does this help us find scum in any way? In short what is the point of posting this? | ||
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CatsnHats
United States199 Posts
@Probulous: I'm pointing out Cookie's read on my me because it would look like I was trying to hide it if I didn't. And Gonzaw said to " now reread every town and scum read from Cookie/Tea and knowing they were green." So that was what I was doing, helping the town by posting the overall results of his reads. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
His life is unduly monotonous. He lives half asleep At the edge of the deep, And his face is as big as his bottom is. - anonymous Where you at son? Your reason for voting for AKCT was terrible I haven't been able to go through everything as well as I hoped but we need a lynch. There was a lot of discussion on Cephiro but I haven't been able to read through it thoroughly enough so I'm going for Tea You didn't have enough time before the vote. What about now, who are your top three and why. Bonus points if there is someone who hasn't been pegged yet. | ||
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