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Cytoplasm
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden29 Posts
March 03 2012 20:27 GMT
#381
Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.

I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.

Thanks

ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
Magic_Mike
Profile Joined May 2010
United States542 Posts
March 03 2012 20:28 GMT
#382
On March 04 2012 05:24 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 05:18 hrvoje07 wrote:
On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote:
Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS

Haha 100% he would.
I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans...
This kind of logic is just absurd tbh


I hope you realize that, via KOTH rules, he could have had this series in an automatic bye if he refused a rescheduling because of Cytoplasm's computer problems. I mean, it would be completely okay of him to do that because the RULES in the OP state that it was to be on THURSDAY. Right? So does that mean we can just assume that iNcontroL ACTUALLY won this series in a 4-0 bye?

Also, XNC is not NEARLY as imbalanced as Blizzard Metalopolis.... but I guess that's subjective on my part...


Oh wow. Didn't know that at all. This makes me feel so cheated for Incontrol. Guess nice guys really do finish last huh?
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
March 03 2012 20:30 GMT
#383
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote:
Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.

I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.

Thanks

ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!


You did great. You have gotten a new fan today. Keep up the good work and don't let the incontrol fanboys irritate you. You played to win and you won. GG.
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
March 03 2012 20:30 GMT
#384
On March 04 2012 05:28 Magic_Mike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 05:24 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On March 04 2012 05:18 hrvoje07 wrote:
On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote:
Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS

Haha 100% he would.
I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans...
This kind of logic is just absurd tbh


I hope you realize that, via KOTH rules, he could have had this series in an automatic bye if he refused a rescheduling because of Cytoplasm's computer problems. I mean, it would be completely okay of him to do that because the RULES in the OP state that it was to be on THURSDAY. Right? So does that mean we can just assume that iNcontroL ACTUALLY won this series in a 4-0 bye?

Also, XNC is not NEARLY as imbalanced as Blizzard Metalopolis.... but I guess that's subjective on my part...


Oh wow. Didn't know that at all. This makes me feel so cheated for Incontrol. Guess nice guys really do finish last huh?

Haha nice guys finish last huh. How many of all the progamers out there do you think would have taken a BYE in a SHOWMATCH? Even LaLush wouldn't have taken the WO-win, not even him...
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
March 03 2012 20:31 GMT
#385
Am I misunderstanding this? Everyone here agrees that if, in a serious game, you have the opportunity to cheese and win, you should do it. 'Play to win' is the maxim normally thrown out. However, choosing a map which favors your race isn't honorable?

Zerg players have chosen Metalopolis after losing for nearly a year. Do you think less of Idra, Morrow, Stephano and just about every other Zerg in the world? Of course not.

Now, I'm assuming the difference you see between the above situation and the one at hand is that now everybody understands that Metalopolis is imbalanced. Statistics and pro players have agreed. But tournaments don't have a uniform map pool, and several of them have maps which are considered imbalanced. Do you think less of a Terran when they choose to play Xel'Naga against a Protoss or Zerg?

This is silly. You can either stand for the cuthroat 'Play to win' maxim, or can you can say 'Be Honorable.' You can't have it both ways.
Funkydonky
Profile Joined April 2011
950 Posts
March 03 2012 20:31 GMT
#386
On March 04 2012 05:24 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 05:18 hrvoje07 wrote:
On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote:
Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS

Haha 100% he would.
I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans...
This kind of logic is just absurd tbh


I hope you realize that, via KOTH rules, he could have had this series in an automatic bye if he refused a rescheduling because of Cytoplasm's computer problems. I mean, it would be completely okay of him to do that because the RULES in the OP state that it was to be on THURSDAY. Right? So does that mean we can just assume that iNcontroL ACTUALLY won this series in a 4-0 bye?

Also, XNC is not NEARLY as imbalanced as Blizzard Metalopolis.... but I guess that's subjective on my part...

What are you talking about, it's not in the rules for incontrol to decide who gets bye.
Blizzard metalopolis was played in every tournament 2 months ago, is everyone who played it and won in it also scumbag?

And let me tell you, i think that last thing incontrol wants is his fans lashing out on volunteer organizers making this tournament possible.
Favorite players: Stephano, Mana, Polt, Lucifron, Nerchio
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 03 2012 20:31 GMT
#387
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote:
Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.

I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.

Thanks

ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!

Absolutely not your fault, GG's and I hope you keep showing good results!
oniman999
Profile Joined May 2011
United States169 Posts
March 03 2012 20:32 GMT
#388
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote:
Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.

I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.

Thanks

ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!

I support you man. Play to win is what I have always heard. I think the party to be angry at is the KotH organizer for having such an outdated map pool. It isn't just regular Metalopolis, but like you said, Xel'naga Caverns and more. I don't think the forums needs to flip tables and boycott their content or anything, but they definitely need to know that the current map pool isn't acceptable and needs changed.
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
March 03 2012 20:32 GMT
#389
On March 04 2012 05:24 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 05:18 hrvoje07 wrote:
On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote:
Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS

Haha 100% he would.
I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans...
This kind of logic is just absurd tbh


I hope you realize that, via KOTH rules, he could have had this series in an automatic bye if he refused a rescheduling because of Cytoplasm's computer problems. I mean, it would be completely okay of him to do that because the RULES in the OP state that it was to be on THURSDAY. Right? So does that mean we can just assume that iNcontroL ACTUALLY won this series in a 4-0 bye?

Also, XNC is not NEARLY as imbalanced as Blizzard Metalopolis.... but I guess that's subjective on my part...


Actually I think a much safer assumption would be that cytoplasm would have won even if it were regular metalopolis.
Silvertine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States509 Posts
March 03 2012 20:33 GMT
#390
The controversy and anger in this thread are hilarious. He started the show match down 0-3 and the terrible XNC is also in the map pool. You simply have to accept the fact that he played poorly and was dominated.
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
March 03 2012 20:34 GMT
#391
On March 04 2012 05:31 hrvoje07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 05:24 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On March 04 2012 05:18 hrvoje07 wrote:
On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote:
Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS

Haha 100% he would.
I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans...
This kind of logic is just absurd tbh


I hope you realize that, via KOTH rules, he could have had this series in an automatic bye if he refused a rescheduling because of Cytoplasm's computer problems. I mean, it would be completely okay of him to do that because the RULES in the OP state that it was to be on THURSDAY. Right? So does that mean we can just assume that iNcontroL ACTUALLY won this series in a 4-0 bye?

Also, XNC is not NEARLY as imbalanced as Blizzard Metalopolis.... but I guess that's subjective on my part...

What are you talking about, it's not in the rules for incontrol to decide who gets bye.
Blizzard metalopolis was played in every tournament 2 months ago, is everyone who played it and won in it also scumbag?

And let me tell you, i think that last thing incontrol wants is his fans lashing out on volunteer organizers making this tournament possible.


I'm being sarcastic... the entire thing is just a portrayal of how hotch crazy people are getting in this thread about how players have no honor.... Doesn't it make you at least a LITTLE sick to your stomach that people are just... okay with that?

The point of my comment was, if you took EVERYTHING in the OP infallible truth that everything would just be retarded >.>

Think in context a little please, for my sanity at least.
A time to live.
Cytoplasm
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden29 Posts
March 03 2012 20:34 GMT
#392
And by the way , i remeber NASL Season 1 with their maps . everyone hated it . but they didnt change it until season 2 . why should this be any diffrent?
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
March 03 2012 20:35 GMT
#393
On March 04 2012 05:32 MrDudeMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 05:24 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On March 04 2012 05:18 hrvoje07 wrote:
On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote:
Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS

Haha 100% he would.
I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans...
This kind of logic is just absurd tbh


I hope you realize that, via KOTH rules, he could have had this series in an automatic bye if he refused a rescheduling because of Cytoplasm's computer problems. I mean, it would be completely okay of him to do that because the RULES in the OP state that it was to be on THURSDAY. Right? So does that mean we can just assume that iNcontroL ACTUALLY won this series in a 4-0 bye?

Also, XNC is not NEARLY as imbalanced as Blizzard Metalopolis.... but I guess that's subjective on my part...


Actually I think a much safer assumption would be that cytoplasm would have won even if it were regular metalopolis.


Yup, probably, but please see my other comment because people seem to be hopping to conclusions via possible lost in translation/lack of reading comprehension/my poor US school system grammar...
A time to live.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 03 2012 20:38 GMT
#394
On March 04 2012 05:34 Cytoplasm wrote:
And by the way , i remeber NASL Season 1 with their maps . everyone hated it . but they didnt change it until season 2 . why should this be any diffrent?

and people bitched and complained about it and they should have changed the maps before season 2. There is no good reason to continue using horrible maps. NONE.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Kloudi
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden21 Posts
March 03 2012 20:39 GMT
#395
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote:
Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.

I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.

Thanks

ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!



you did well
iNcontrol is just butthurt
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
March 03 2012 20:40 GMT
#396
Hmm i dont understand, ImbaTV agrees to give you 400$ for a short BO7 if you win the match, and shows the map pool. Both players agree to it by participating and not complaining about the rules before the match happens. Its like a contract without the paper work. Why would you participate in tournament, if you dont like map pool , and later proceed to bash the organizers... Never thought that Incontrol will have same attitude of Idra
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
March 03 2012 20:41 GMT
#397
On March 04 2012 05:34 Cytoplasm wrote:
And by the way , i remeber NASL Season 1 with their maps . everyone hated it . but they didnt change it until season 2 . why should this be any diffrent?


because they hopefully want to show they're better men, and care more about using fair maps than sticking to laid out plans? That is a terrible argument
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
March 03 2012 20:44 GMT
#398
On March 04 2012 05:38 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 05:34 Cytoplasm wrote:
And by the way , i remeber NASL Season 1 with their maps . everyone hated it . but they didnt change it until season 2 . why should this be any diffrent?

and people bitched and complained about it and they should have changed the maps before season 2. There is no good reason to continue using horrible maps. NONE.

You must have been raging at a lot of tournaments in your days then since most of them have had maps that were imbalanced and not changed during season/tournament.
Need I remind you of a certain map known as Testbug? Yeah, it was horrible, and MLG kept it for a long time.
GSL used crossfire in the finals even though its being cut in the next season, this is just common practice for tournaments, you have a set map pool for the season and you roll with it.
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 03 2012 20:48 GMT
#399
other tourneys also having bad maps and being slow to change them is no excuse for a showmatch league having a version of a map that every other (slow, and bad..) league has removed.. so saying this league is MORE bad than others but still the others were bad, is not a good argument.

Look we are all good. I don't hate cyto at all. Play to win? Sure I get that. Was angering in the heat of battle to find out a league was shit and a player was arguing to make the shit happen. But life goes on.
Stoffelhase
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany162 Posts
March 03 2012 20:49 GMT
#400
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote:
Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.

I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.

Thanks

ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!

Good post. Exactly, it is not your fault and it's sad (imo) incontrol didnt show his best manner today.
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