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wherebugsgo
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Incognito
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On September 29 2011 12:01 wherebugsgo wrote: There's nothing really left to say on Jackal (I am gonna be ignoring him for real now since he isn't doing anything productive but you all can ask me questions if you so desire) Moving on to some people I think deserve attention, probably since they don't want it: Curu http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&user=62066 Curu has disappeared since earlier and his vote is useless. He hasn't contributed anything yet to the discussion yet, despite being around for LoTR and there being plenty to talk about. This doesn't sit well with me knowing how he played scum in both XLIV and MLP, and as town in Ace's SMG. In SMG he was pretty open about thinking I was scum and he was very bold and productive as town. In both XLIV and MLP he was semi active with a lot of one liners and fluff posts, not really contributing but feigning so. I'll give him some time to come back and clarify things (perhaps he's busy? who knows) but I think it's odd he's gone here but he's around to post the day post in LoTR. Sevryn: The problem with Sevryn is that IMO he appears scummy despite alignment. However, this post is completely in line with how he posted in MLP as scum before he went inactive and was replaced. We need to keep an eye on him as well. I dunno where Incog is but I imagine as a vet he needs to get in and stop lurking. risk.nuke and supersoft haven't done anything either, granted supersoft rarely does anything and I have no idea who risk.nuke is. None of these players warrant a vote yet but IMO all of them need to be prodded into providing their opinions and becoming active. If this town dies because of inactivity I'll be pissed. Oh, wait. Curu's in this game? He'll ruin it. ##Vote: Curu | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On September 29 2011 15:55 sinani206 wrote: Oh, wait. Curu's in this game? He'll ruin it. ##Vote: Curu Sinani, quickly, what´s the most important reason that we should lynch Curu? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On September 29 2011 12:28 Incognito wrote: Dear town, please ignore wherebugsgo. If he starts making sense and stops making a bunch of baseless assumptions maybe I'll start listening to him. Until then, he's just taking up space and has 1/6 of all the posts in this thread. None of them are very interesting. Also stop using gimmicky words like "OMGUS" and "meta". They're mostly meaningless terms people tack onto their "analyses" to make them look legitimate. I am not going to tolerate this nonsense. Unless you make some real arguments I will just ignore you or squish you like a bug, depending on how ridiculous you are. Note that there is likely a lot of KP this game. Which should be fun if you are a vig, as there are plenty of nice juicy targets lying around. Don't be afraid of PMs. As long as you watch yourself and don't do anything stupid, there's no reason not to take advantage of this resource. Can mafia manipulate? If you keep a healthy dose of skepticism and firmly ground your reasoning in logic, it is actually difficult for mafia to manipulate you. In fact, mafia love it when they can see every little thing that is going on in the thread. While PMs have the reputation for being a playground for manipulation and devious scheming, you just have to back off and look at things objectively and you'll be fine. The main reason PMs are a huge benefit for the town is that it allows us to conceal our actions. In a no-PM game, the mafia have a very good idea of what people are thinking. Generally, most people will be on the wrong track, and occasionally a few will be on the right track. Since no information is withheld from them, they can accurately make informed decisions on night kills and general posting strategy in order to mislead the town and eliminate anyone who could possibly oppose them. If you skillfully use PMs, however, the mafia are unable to accurately judge how active and dangerous you actually are and will be forced to be proactive in PMs and in the thread in order to collect information. Of course, this is inherently uncomfortable for them, as it conflicts their inherent desire to hide. Everyone knows that "mafia start out with an information advantage over the town", but hardly anyone recognizes that mafia needs to maintain that advantage if they want to stay competitive as the game goes longer. Using a healthy dose of PMs makes it that much harder for them to stay on top of the ball. If anything, its easier to manipulate the mafia in PMs than the other way around. With that said, unless something interesting happens (please feel free to let me know if you find anything), I'll be moving to PM land for now. Be back after the day post. I can't say that I get this. First you correctly identify that the current activity in the thread (wbg v jack) is pretty useless and both are terrible lynches. Second you state that you're not gonna try to do anything sensible in this thread but retire to PM land because then mafia will not know how great you are and they will be forced to prod in PM land to get an idea about who to hit. ... but you also speculate that there are a ton of vigs and medics in this game (and your signature boasts of your impressive record of being saved by medics), wouldn't it be cool if you also hung out in the thread so that vigs and medics can get an idea about what you've achieved in PM land and get inspiration for their targets? Also you seem to advocate that people do most of their business in PM land because hidden information makes the mafia uneasy, but I don't like this too much, it looks like an excuse for 10 people coming out of nowhere bandwagoning a guy and then saying "derpa there are plenty of reasons in PM land", you need to make a case here. This seems heavily scum favored that you don't need to build a case and get everybody on board because scum can just strike from PM land. Kinda like what Radfield did in LotR, came out of nowhere 2 hours before deadline and got a townie lynched. Even did it twice. Don't get me wrong, PMs are cool and all, but you need to write something in the thread too, to get it down on record so people can get an accurate image of you and the people around you. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Still wanna lynch Palmar tbh. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On September 29 2011 18:46 Curu wrote: Ok I have read the thread now. Still wanna lynch Palmar tbh. That's because you're scum. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Palmar is using meta arguments that are incorrect and weak to paint out Jackal as scum because of one post Jackal made. He's also being purposefully obtuse and calling me scummy because I am not playing like I was in AA (which was my first ever game, duh) which was something people seem to bring up every single game (Palmar's been a part of all of them and everyone's been wrong in every one of them). I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. I think Palmar is one of the best on TL in being able to differentiate stupidly posting Townies from scum but I'm not seeing any of it here. risk.nuke and Sevyrn have even shittier posts than me. Kenpachi is possibly a scum day Vig, I see no other reason for him to paint his name blue this time instead of green like all his other games. WBG's attack on tnkted was pretty derp. PS. sinani saying I ruin games is pretty fucking funny. This guy has goldfish memory or some shit. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On September 29 2011 19:37 Curu wrote: Kenpachi is possibly a scum day Vig, I see no other reason for him to paint his name blue this time instead of green like all his other games. all the role pms were blue? well not yours, but the others. ##Unvote ##Vote Curu analysis incoming. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
But Palmar's still scum, let's kill him dead. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Let's kill Palmar already. | ||
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Curu
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Curu
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On September 29 2011 19:52 Curu wrote: Kurumi can you copy paste a Mafia sample PM for us please, exactly how it is. Colours and everything. just paste your own. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
also don't you know that you can't paste mod pms don't you know anything | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
it's time! So, we're 12 hours away from the deadline, it's time to re-read what's been said in the thread so far. Even with the amount of trolling there is surprising amount of information in the thread at this time. We have actually very good reads on a number of people and some have quite clearly established their innocence. There are two wagons going on atm. I threw out a meta argument against Jackal, I still think it's quite valid, but he's no longer our best lynch today, please check Jackal if you have the ability to do so. WBG is almost definitely not scum, as his posting is way too unrestricted and straightforward. He's not actually helping town at the moment, but at least he's not being scummeryscum. We actually have a better candidate in Curu, there will be an analysis on him in this post. I wanna quickly mention this by incog. On September 29 2011 15:21 Incognito wrote: The wherebugsgo and jackal58 lynches are just terrible. Thing is, this is very, very revealing in my opinion. I think Incognito looks scummy at the moment, but regardless of his alignment, this is his opinion or knowledge. I don't think he'd this blatantly defend a team-mate as mafia, and if he's not mafia it's more likely that he's right than the rest of the people in the game. I think we should actually take his advice. I think we should back off those two people. Here is a new guy we need to worry about Curu This is not going to be long. He looks scummy to me in PM land, but the big reason for this is his complete failure to produce anything of relevance to this game. I don't mind the vote-train that formed on me at the start of the day, but a random voting stage isn't exactly random, there's much more to it and if you pay enough attention you can pick out the scum from within the voters. And Curu is scum. Once the random voting stage is over, the correct move forward is to analyse and re-read everything said and try to build a case. Curu knows this, and if you look through his past day 1 play as town you'll see he actively pushes his reads and he works hard to get a lynch in the right direction. Most notable for me is a game I played with him in BC's AA, I was 3rd party in that game (I'm never town...) But that meant I was actually scumhunting. In this game Curu worked really hard to swing a bad vote into a good one. This game his entire play has consisted of one-liners and uselessness. The most revealing thing aside from just being generally useless and having nothing of value posted is this thing. On September 29 2011 05:36 Curu wrote: WBG is pretty scummy but not at Palmar level yet. It's the timing that's important. This is actually after people actively started discussing a WBG lynch. ie: the random voting stage is over at this point. I had not posted a single important thing in the game yet, and still he doesn't discuss the issue at hand and just keeps on going after the target of choice from the random voting stage. This in itself isn't really damning, but the fact that he never goes back to try to analyse or re-read anything, he just sticks to the tunnel when he comes back to the thread. On September 29 2011 18:46 Curu wrote: Ok I have read the thread now. Still wanna lynch Palmar tbh. With no reasoning, nothing, just keeping the tunnel going. As a side-note if the mafia pm is actually read instead of just saying "RED" (btw, if anyone wants to know more, first two lines in my role pm both start with the word BLU in capital black non-bolded letters). The fact that he's jumping this so hard just reinforces my opinion of him being scum. so to re-iterate Curu is scum ##Vote Curu | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
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