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YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
June 23 2010 19:15 GMT
#381
@bumatlarge It was posting 'errors' and anti town overall playstyle that made me feed your name to the DT in XXVI, and that's what got you hung. You're making similar errors here. To be fair I havn't read a game where you are town, so maybe you're just always this way.

Also, don't put words in my mouth - I was quite clear about how your post was flawed. I never said a DT should sit on scum info. I pointed out how aligning to a plan of DT not saying anything until day 3 no matter what is a bad idea. That being said, you're making good adjustments to your 'play' in apologizing for 'errors', but I'm not exactly convinced.

@DCLXVI This is not a new crusade. I called out bum much earlier and was my opening vote. As some time passed and team 7 was shown to be inactive after 24 hours and no one seemed interested in going after bum, I switched to apply pressure. As it stands now I don't have solid reads on anyone - bum is just the best target I've got.

As an aside, I'm curious what L/Caller have to say about recent events. Is Caller even going to play? L is probably at work. I'd like to hear more from them though preferably in a way that doesn't confuse most people. Also Rad/Korynne, it seemed like you were going to get more active but then you got quiet again. You're right that we probably should be giving you guys more flak.
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
June 23 2010 19:33 GMT
#382
@ DTA: Why exactly is your vote on team 9? I had proposed it earlier for potential inactivity, but when it got down to it, there wasn't enough time to make use of the pressure. It may be worth considering on day 2 if they don't pick up their content quality. I havn't seen anything that paints them red yet besides their insufficient posting substance.

@ all the 3 player teams to each individual player: Honestly I havn't been impressed with any of your individual content. Some of you have come up to medium level, but none of you have really been shining. Whatever else you want to say about BM/Chez, they've been very active. For some of those who havn't said as much on the 2 player teams, most of those few posts have been thick with information about their thoughts and stances.

As a member of the town you are expected to each of you individually provide enough content that we can get a fair read on your stance so that we can figure to some reasonable degree if we think you are town or scum. I wonder if being on a 3 player team makes you feel that you don't need to say as much? I expect more of you.



citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
June 23 2010 19:44 GMT
#383
Good show so far.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
June 23 2010 19:55 GMT
#384
Imo there is about 50/50 that either bum or BM's team is mafia. As it stands I'm keeping my vote on BM for obvious reasons.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 23 2010 19:57 GMT
#385

I'm ready to put bill and chez's past behind them if they truly want to help the town.


Wow, I was just about to come here and post that I was going to change my play and apologize for acting too crazy. I shouldn't have played along with BM... From this post forward, I am a changed man. Thank you for your forgiveness. Now, let us play as civil townies.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
June 23 2010 20:01 GMT
#386
LaXeratlarge and bumCannon
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Uhh...I have a hard time understanding what bumatlarge is saying, to be honest.
There's a rather awkward post:
"This seems to have escalated above us yellow, lets go into a hidey-hole and wait for the whole thing to blow over"
I mean it could just be a joke and whatever, but what if it was supposed to be a response to YellowInk that he accidentally posted in the thread? I would put the likelihood of that at like 3% but something to reconsider if either of them turns out red.
Okay honestly I have a lot of trouble reading bumatlarge's posts...
bumatlarge encourages people to post quality stuff.
I don't get this whole I'll bandwagon myself if it gets to day 4 thing, but it turns my radar down some because it would be rather silly for mafia to propose such a weird idea. They obviously can't die at night so it's like saying, if we survive 3 lynches, let's not survive another one! I don't think bum is good enough to pull a risky move like this as mafia.
Conclusion: I don't know...bumatlarge just feels really confusing to me. I wouldn't mind lynching them or giving them another day to clear up. I don't like bum's lynch us day 4 claim, because it means mafia can keep you around to day 4 and win essentially if you are town. But without the threat of killing you day 4 then you could be making a decent mafia move.
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Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
June 23 2010 20:03 GMT
#387
Zyrre, if you are between BM and bum I would say lynch bum, only because Bill/Chez are more active and so we can get a lot more out of them by giving them another day.

Also YellowInk, I'm at work, I assume Radfield is doing something important like work or something. xP We're more of the 5-10pm EST kind of people so just be patient with that one. xP I've just posted analysis on BM/Chez and LaX/bum because it was like something specific I could do without much interaction with the thread.
TL Mawfyah~ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
June 23 2010 20:11 GMT
#388
Yeah Korynne, since more and more are switching frmo my team I will probably switch my vore later on.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
June 23 2010 20:12 GMT
#389
I'm just a pressure cooker. Really, I am.

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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
June 23 2010 20:14 GMT
#390
pregame PMs I had with BM:

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To: Bill Murray [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: Just so you know
Date: 6/22/10 04:05
Ok, so we going are going to play sane for at least the first day. That means instead of playing defense most of the game by distracting people with seemly non-tactic posts to seem like a bored townie with nothing better to do than to just have fun messing with people (though by this point people should be wary of this tactic by now, but hopefully my brownish behavior as townie in the past will overshadow any concerns enough that they wouldn't risk lynching me until late game. Plus, my entertainment value should help me live as well.), I'll probably be more quiet and just analysis other people's posts - privately for now. I typically play crazy in public and serious in private. One strategy I have used in the past is to get people to react to my post. Fun topics may let people's guard down enough that they slip up and reveal their role. Plus is make people more comfortable - at least the less prudent ones. If people are having, fun they don't kill the source of the fun.

As for offensive play, that kind of depends on our role. So, I will go into more detail once we know who we are. I have a plan in mind for this game. It involves sending PMs to the both or all three members on the same team. If they have a special role they are less likely to reply with a role claim without consulting their teammates. So, I was thinking that I was going to rush them with PMs early on to get initial reactions and watch for delays. If one of the members contradicts the other then we might have discovered something.

Defense against such tactics: We need to communicate with each other well this game. I advise using an IRC and forwarding all PMs to each other. We need to plan how we will handle roleclaiming both publicly and through PMs.

If you want to use an IRC we can use this one:
http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=#ESPORTSMAFIA triumph

I've used this IRC in many mafia games. Forgot which game I first started using it in.

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Original Message:
I do want to be inactive in the random voting stage
I do not mind if we go with a theme, though I would rather play lurky and normal for the beginning. If we go with a theme, we should unleash is day two at the earliest imo.

i am gonna go look to see if i got out role

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Original Message:
I won't be active until tonight - playing dead at the beginning of the game increases the odds of living. So, I guess it works out.

How do you want to play this game?

Sane or Insane? After playing insane last game I won't mind going back and playing like a normal person. But if you really want to learn the ways of the insane, then I guess we can take that path.

If you do decide to take the insane path, here is what you need to do. You need to pick a theme that you will talk about the whole game. For instance, this game if I were playing the insane game I would talk about physical fighting such as boxing because of the game name.

After you pick a main theme to talk about, you need to pick a function within the game to become "obsessed" about. For instance, last time I played I was interested in the Day vigi and the game before that it was the bomberman. New roles are a great distraction to act like your interested in the game. This game, perhaps you can talk about which game setup that you believe in, but I find that a big waste of time and just draws a huge target upon yourself. Let's keep that discussion to ourselves.

I have thought of a theme that we can do. How about you are learning the way of the Drunken Monkey. You will be a fighter in training and I'll be your instructor. So you make a post in the thread and I'll quote it and comment on how you can improve/make it better.

Well, I have to go to class. See you later. Oh, and you will probably read the role before I do. Maybe..


This is how good we are at following our own plans. Well, I quickly realized that PMs weren't allowed in the game so that whole strategy failed. I think I'm going to play the sane game now for real. I'm not sure how BM is going to play. But I think I'm going to play solo. Whether BM decides to continue to act crazy or not, I cannot control, all I can do is advice him to remain calm. So, now that I'm in my sane mind does anyone have any questions for me?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
June 23 2010 20:19 GMT
#391
On June 24 2010 04:55 Zyrre wrote:
Imo there is about 50/50 that either bum or BM's team is mafia. As it stands I'm keeping my vote on BM for obvious reasons.


nah, put it on bumatlarge/LaXerCannon. Bill Murray already posts enough as it is.

bumatlarge's posts are either extremely confusing or crappy, imo. If you remember my analysis on Bill Murray, that was actually supposed to be bumatlarge, but then I decided to switch. His latest posts don't convince me otherwise, either.

On June 24 2010 04:57 Chezinu wrote:
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I'm ready to put bill and chez's past behind them if they truly want to help the town.


Wow, I was just about to come here and post that I was going to change my play and apologize for acting too crazy. I shouldn't have played along with BM... From this post forward, I am a changed man. Thank you for your forgiveness. Now, let us play as civil townies.


Actually, Chez, I find that your English of late is quite clear. =D.


On June 24 2010 05:01 Korynne wrote:
LaXeratlarge and bumCannon
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Uhh...I have a hard time understanding what bumatlarge is saying, to be honest.
There's a rather awkward post:
"This seems to have escalated above us yellow, lets go into a hidey-hole and wait for the whole thing to blow over"
I mean it could just be a joke and whatever, but what if it was supposed to be a response to YellowInk that he accidentally posted in the thread? I would put the likelihood of that at like 3% but something to reconsider if either of them turns out red.
Okay honestly I have a lot of trouble reading bumatlarge's posts...
bumatlarge encourages people to post quality stuff.
I don't get this whole I'll bandwagon myself if it gets to day 4 thing, but it turns my radar down some because it would be rather silly for mafia to propose such a weird idea. They obviously can't die at night so it's like saying, if we survive 3 lynches, let's not survive another one! I don't think bum is good enough to pull a risky move like this as mafia.
Conclusion: I don't know...bumatlarge just feels really confusing to me. I wouldn't mind lynching them or giving them another day to clear up. I don't like bum's lynch us day 4 claim, because it means mafia can keep you around to day 4 and win essentially if you are town. But without the threat of killing you day 4 then you could be making a decent mafia move.


Your analysis on his Day 4 is completely wrong, Korynne... it's an easy move for mafia to make. The majority of people who say things like that don't follow through with it. He could easily be convinced that he won't make it past Day 3 for obvious reasons. Day 4 is endgame, assuming no saves. No one's going to call him out on that when there are 3 teams total left, and he doesn't start the "bandwagon" on himself. So that post = yet another useless post. It says absolutely nothing and is thus, a waste of our time in the thread.
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
June 23 2010 20:25 GMT
#392
On June 24 2010 03:14 DCLXVI wrote:
so this is where the votes stand now:
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Votes for Team 2 (15)
Ace (Team 4)
meeple (Team 7)
BrownBear (Team 8)
johnnyspazz (Team 8)
DCLXVI (Team 9)
Nikon (Team 7)
Zyrre (Team 7)


Votes for Team 3 (6)
YellowInk (Team 5)
Bill Murray (Team 2)


Votes for Team 7 (13)
Chezinu (Team 2)
LaXerCannon (Team 3)
Divinek (Team 9)
Durak (Team 5)
stormtemplar (Team 8)


Votes for Team 8 (6)
L (Team 6)
bumatlarge (Team 3)

Votes for Team 9 (3)
DarthThienAn (Team 4)


Ace has been suspicious of Teams 2 and and less so 6
Stormtemplar has split from his team and voted for team 7, but the rest of team 8 is still on BM/chez
Team 7 is rationally voting for team 2 now since anything else would lose them the vote
my team is split, and I think moocow left the game
New crusade against team 3 by yellow and BM (also known as suicide for BM). Some suspicions presented in the thread.
Now that the anti-inactivity bandwagon against team 7 has ended it would be good to look at who stayed on and who recently joined for what reasons as well as who left for what reasons.
L had some suspicions on team 8 early on, but I have no idea why bum just switched
I think that Darth just wants team 9 to post more.

I can't wait to see who gets lynched, since it will give us some great insight on the rest of the teams. Now that BM has started to post some decent arguments (well at least better than before) I am not sure if hanging him would be the right option. I don't say this because I think that he is less likely to be mafia, I just think that we would get more information out of lynching another team, say team 3 or maybe 8. Bum's recent posting and voting has me confused and a little more suspicious so I'd rather team 3 than 8 get lynched, but I'm not certain.

Time for work, will probably get back in time to change my vote if need be.


Am I the only one who thinks this post screams mafia? Why is Team 9 getting a pass? They are posting just above the threshold of inactivity, right about the level of mafia. They are completely under the radar and not getting involved in any discussions or arguments. Granted at this point MooCow is on the verge of getting modkilled, but that still leaves DCLXVI and Divinek. Neither of them have come out with strong stances, and neither are being particularly helpful to town. I'm going to go through their post history right now to see what I see.

I encourage all players to take a good hard look at team 9.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
June 23 2010 20:27 GMT
#393
On June 24 2010 05:25 Radfield wrote:
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On June 24 2010 03:14 DCLXVI wrote:
so this is where the votes stand now:
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Votes for Team 2 (15)
Ace (Team 4)
meeple (Team 7)
BrownBear (Team 8)
johnnyspazz (Team 8)
DCLXVI (Team 9)
Nikon (Team 7)
Zyrre (Team 7)


Votes for Team 3 (6)
YellowInk (Team 5)
Bill Murray (Team 2)


Votes for Team 7 (13)
Chezinu (Team 2)
LaXerCannon (Team 3)
Divinek (Team 9)
Durak (Team 5)
stormtemplar (Team 8)


Votes for Team 8 (6)
L (Team 6)
bumatlarge (Team 3)

Votes for Team 9 (3)
DarthThienAn (Team 4)


Ace has been suspicious of Teams 2 and and less so 6
Stormtemplar has split from his team and voted for team 7, but the rest of team 8 is still on BM/chez
Team 7 is rationally voting for team 2 now since anything else would lose them the vote
my team is split, and I think moocow left the game
New crusade against team 3 by yellow and BM (also known as suicide for BM). Some suspicions presented in the thread.
Now that the anti-inactivity bandwagon against team 7 has ended it would be good to look at who stayed on and who recently joined for what reasons as well as who left for what reasons.
L had some suspicions on team 8 early on, but I have no idea why bum just switched
I think that Darth just wants team 9 to post more.

I can't wait to see who gets lynched, since it will give us some great insight on the rest of the teams. Now that BM has started to post some decent arguments (well at least better than before) I am not sure if hanging him would be the right option. I don't say this because I think that he is less likely to be mafia, I just think that we would get more information out of lynching another team, say team 3 or maybe 8. Bum's recent posting and voting has me confused and a little more suspicious so I'd rather team 3 than 8 get lynched, but I'm not certain.

Time for work, will probably get back in time to change my vote if need be.


Am I the only one who thinks this post screams mafia? Why is Team 9 getting a pass? They are posting just above the threshold of inactivity, right about the level of mafia. They are completely under the radar and not getting involved in any discussions or arguments. Granted at this point MooCow is on the verge of getting modkilled, but that still leaves DCLXVI and Divinek. Neither of them have come out with strong stances, and neither are being particularly helpful to town. I'm going to go through their post history right now to see what I see.

I encourage all players to take a good hard look at team 9.


yo I did that when I went to sleep. But no one did anything so I just went with da flow yo.


www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
June 23 2010 20:32 GMT
#394
pregame PMs I had with Ace:

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Made you look.
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=D




www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
June 23 2010 20:34 GMT
#395
A detailed analysis of Divinek, member of team 9

Posting History: Bold posts are good posts

Spam,
Me Too,
Observation,
Spam,
Spam,
Question,
Super Softball accusation at L,
Terrible reason outlining voting strat*,
calls out Zyrre,
wants to know why his team was voted for,
Questions

Here is the reason for his vote origionally:

On June 23 2010 12:51 Divinek wrote:
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On June 23 2010 12:42 DarthThienAn wrote:
On June 23 2010 12:35 Divinek wrote:
##vote: Team 7


Hey, man. Sup? ^^


yo dawg. I dunno I'm not entirely sure voting down the least active is the best idea in a structure like this over post analysis, but im not sure how much real content there is to be had yet so im like 51% for voting against activity right now so i went with that unless something i see sways me.



Basically, posting such that there is nothing tying him to an opinion. Even his vote comes with a caveat that he doesn't actually think they are scum. So far Divinek has made a lot of posts with virtually zero content.

DCLXVI is next
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
June 23 2010 20:42 GMT
#396
LaXerCannon

Current and only vote: Team 7
Total posts: 7

Posts:
1. useless
2. useless
3. against voting useless people off (^ go figure), unless it's detrimental to the town (it always is so...) - note that this is a reply to Ace.
Advice to blues: stay unpredictable (no really), don't make yourself a target, but don't get killed for inactivity (meh, not bad).
Advice to DT: Check the teams of three. etc etc false logic + understanding.
4. (shortly after 3) thinks chez wants more activity before he takes action. uhh. pretty useless.
5. useless
6. "Team 7 is inactive" - his vote is cast immediately after this post.
7. useless. But he went to sleep ~ 6 hours ago, I expect him to be online before the day ends.

You'll notice a common theme in my comments about LaXer's 7 posts.

Conclusion: Kid's a genius. We can't afford to lose a player like him. Lynch bumatlarge but keep LaXerCannon imo. I agree 100% with his suspicions, and will back him in any future endeavors.

This should explain my current vote.
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
June 23 2010 20:44 GMT
#397
A VERY detailed analysis of DCLXVI

Again, bold posts are good posts

Talks about last game
Question Chez
Correction
Spam
Hops on both the team 2 and team 7 bandwagon at the same time
Spam
Scum post that tipped me off

His third post, the correction:
On June 23 2010 05:56 DCLXVI wrote:
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On June 23 2010 05:43 LaXerCannon wrote:

For the possible DT: I think checking the teams of three would be a good start as one of them flipping red would mean the rest of the team flipping red (unless I've misinterpreted the rules)

not to say don't check us, but this logic is wrong. I would think it to be easier to read three people rather than just two.



The bandwagoning of both teams 2 and 7:
On June 23 2010 13:37 DCLXVI wrote:
I think I need another day of argument between L/Ace/team8 and such to see what I think of them. As far as I can tell BM/chez are barely helping the town, and team 7 has provided the least content. I'm not sure whether we should lynch the team that spams or the quiet team. I think that if team 7 was mafia then they would at least make some attempt to appear active, but that is not the case. Going to put my vote on team 2 for now.


Waffle, waffle, waffle. Both accusitory posts from DC and Divinek follow the same rule of thumb: Don't be too in favor of a vote for either candidate, don't tie yourself to a lynch.

I'm going to check moocow next, but I don't think he's said much.

Right now my vote is squarely on Team 9. I recommend people review the evidence and consider changing their votes.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
June 23 2010 20:50 GMT
#398
To finish off team 9. MooCow:

Spam
Talks about last game
Decent post, advocates team 2 or 7 for lynch, but again no opinion
Spam

No content at all except for the continued putting forward of Teams 2 and 7, without actually taking a stance.

Team 9 for lynch! Agree or Disagree.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
June 23 2010 20:51 GMT
#399
Analysis of L - serious players, don't look.

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On June 22 2010 09:13 L wrote:
L is the twelfth letter of the basic modern Latin alphabet. Its name in English is pronounced el or occasionally ell. Source


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L is considered the world's greatest detective, whose identity remains unknown before the game takes place because he has never revealed himself to the public. L takes on Caller in order to to find the titular murderer able to kill people whose names are written in the Death Note (PM). He meets Caller, a teenager named Light Yagami, and becomes determined to convict him.

www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
June 23 2010 20:52 GMT
#400
Quick sidetracking my glorious accusations.

Team 9, I'd like to hear responses.
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