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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 14 2012 20:36 GMT
#361
On May 15 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote:
Bitch is a compliment in my own twisted way.

you should just go fishing
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 14 2012 20:37 GMT
#362
On May 15 2012 05:36 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote:
Bitch is a compliment in my own twisted way.

you should just go fishing


Announcement, I intend to win this draft thing and draft a day vigilante and shoot the first person I don't like.
Computer says mafia
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 14 2012 20:37 GMT
#363
On May 15 2012 05:36 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote:
Bitch is a compliment in my own twisted way.

you should just go fishing


And don't use electricity, it'll just feed your rage more.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 14 2012 20:38 GMT
#364
On May 15 2012 05:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 05:36 Mattchew wrote:
On May 15 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote:
Bitch is a compliment in my own twisted way.

you should just go fishing


And don't use electricity, it'll just feed your rage more.


I prefer grenades.
Computer says mafia
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
May 14 2012 20:38 GMT
#365
On May 15 2012 05:27 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 05:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

Protection roles are every bit as valuable as information or killing roles. You shouldn't only be looking to take medic/jailkeeper if you are low on the list. If you are higher on the list and feel comfortable with the role, or you are worried that the role will not be picked/ the role will be sniped early, grab it higher up! Having those roles in the game is very important for continuing to slow down the night killing. They are not low-tier roles.


Agreed. Personally I'm really comfortable playing as Doc, and if I'm not one of the top five (haven't played a power role in forever so I'm interested in those as well) I might snatch that or jailkeeper up.

While this is great, don't announce something like this. Keep the mafia guessing about which role you will be picking. You don't need us to validate your pick. (Though if anyone picks Tracker, I will criticize you in the postgame - it's an awful role in this format.)

Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 05:10 hiro protagonist wrote:
I agree that aside from CPR doc, the janitor is towns worst nightmare. We MUST assign it. The others for assignment is CPR doc and RBer, because of the synergy that town can harnise between these roles. so that has us at something like:

1. CPR
2. Janitor
3. RB

I also 100% agree with everything Qatol has said. this is a marathon for town. We should focus less on KP roles, and use old fashon analysis to kill scum. A combination of defensive roles along with DT type roles would serve us best, not that the odd vig is a bad idea though.

I disagree with a few things here.

First of all, I didn't say we should focus less on KP roles. I just said that we shouldn't put a huge emphasis on grabbing them. I'm sure the mafia are thinking very hard about grabbing Vigiliante for its 2 night kills, for example, so townies should consider grabbing it first. Remember, each vanilla goon/SK is a gigantic win for the town. That being said, the defensive roles and investigative roles will play a more active part in helping the town win (rather than the passive role of defensively picking roles such as Vigilante).

Second of all, I don't think Roleblocker is so important that it must be assigned. I think the uncertainty of the mafia not knowing the location of the role is more valuable. In fact, it might actually be better to use the Jailkeeper on the CPR doctor anyways (because that protects him from dying + still prevents the shot).

yeah, the bolded part is what I wish I said instead 100% agree

I still would like to assign the RB, just because it creates more acountablity. But if everyone else thinks that its not a problem, I guess im not bothered by leaving it out of assignment. But it goes without saying that whoever gets the Jailkeeper, its your job for at least the first night to Jail the CPR, and every night after that till we can be sure of his or her alignment.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 14 2012 20:38 GMT
#366
On May 15 2012 05:37 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 05:36 Mattchew wrote:
On May 15 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote:
Bitch is a compliment in my own twisted way.

you should just go fishing


Announcement, I intend to win this draft thing and draft a day vigilante and shoot the first person I don't like.

not if i get there first...

they call me quick draw mcgraw
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 14 2012 20:42 GMT
#367
On May 15 2012 05:38 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 05:37 Palmar wrote:
On May 15 2012 05:36 Mattchew wrote:
On May 15 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote:
Bitch is a compliment in my own twisted way.

you should just go fishing


Announcement, I intend to win this draft thing and draft a day vigilante and shoot the first person I don't like.

not if i get there first...

they call me quick draw mcgraw



http://i.imgur.com/iZS8D.jpg


And I'm Liane the Evil Bunny. Your drawing skills will not serve you well mortal. Only the holy hand grenade is capable of wounding me.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 14 2012 20:42 GMT
#368
EBWOP: Fuck put quote tags instead of image tags

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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
May 14 2012 20:43 GMT
#369
On May 06 2012 03:06 GMarshal wrote:

2.) Don't spam.

-__-
Moderator
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
May 14 2012 20:44 GMT
#370
On May 15 2012 05:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 05:38 Mattchew wrote:
On May 15 2012 05:37 Palmar wrote:
On May 15 2012 05:36 Mattchew wrote:
On May 15 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote:
Bitch is a compliment in my own twisted way.

you should just go fishing


Announcement, I intend to win this draft thing and draft a day vigilante and shoot the first person I don't like.

not if i get there first...

they call me quick draw mcgraw


Show nested quote +

http://i.imgur.com/iZS8D.jpg


And I'm Liane the Evil Bunny. Your drawing skills will not serve you well mortal. Only the holy hand grenade is capable of wounding me.

Come on guys. Stop spamming the thread. It makes more for us to read for absolutely no reason.
Uff Da
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
May 14 2012 20:49 GMT
#371
So, to get things back on track:

We are 100% assigning slots 1 and 2 for CPR and Janitor. Anyone disagreeing with this plan beter back it up with some really good reasoning.

The remaining question is do we want to assign the RBer, to be used as toads and I's plan discussed earlier?

thoughts?
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 14 2012 20:50 GMT
#372
Lol what were we talking about before the spam and Palmar showing up?

Anyweiz, I'm wondering how good a doctor/jailkeeper would be for mafia. Seems like a really interesting concept, at least for blocking SK's shots. And JK would have a field day with all the blues.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 14 2012 20:56 GMT
#373
To be simpleminded for a moment - is the general advice to pick whatever numbers you like?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
May 14 2012 20:58 GMT
#374
On May 15 2012 05:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Lol what were we talking about before the spam and Palmar showing up?

Anyweiz, I'm wondering how good a doctor/jailkeeper would be for mafia. Seems like a really interesting concept, at least for blocking SK's shots. And JK would have a field day with all the blues.

It's good for them, just like taking Vigilante or JOAT is good for the town. The denial value is relatively high. That being said, the roles still have the potential to slow the game down (by blocking SK shots), so I'm okay with the mafia using picks on them. Plus it means that they aren't taking roles to speed the game up, which we like. On top of that, there is a decent risk that a townie will take the role because of their value, so picking one of them is a gamble for the mafia. Obviously Jailkeeper is better for them than Doctor is because it can be used as a roleblocker, but people can take that into account when making their role selections. I'm not too worried about them using the roles to block night hits.
Uff Da
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
May 14 2012 21:00 GMT
#375
On May 15 2012 05:56 marvellosity wrote:
To be simpleminded for a moment - is the general advice to pick whatever numbers you like?

Pretty much. Town wants to clash with the mafia/ give them uncertainty about which numbers to pick, so pick whatever you want.
Uff Da
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
May 14 2012 21:03 GMT
#376
I still think we should assign #1 AND #2 CPR as some kind of fool-safety for multiple reasons.

1) If someone who does whatever he wants to do we still have the CPR denied
2) We have the #2 draft for town information / a possible claim. If he get's a VT he knows #1 is the CPR, if he get's the CPR he knows #1 is not CPR which means #1 is something like a VET / Hider. Mafia is more likely to shoot into people from 1-10 than 11-20 imo because the early ones are more likely to get a blue role because they the chance of picking something that was already picked is lower making it a nice blue-hit for mafia, which is the reason a VET / hider is the only thing a townie would ever choose if he disagrees with our plan to deny CPR. Not going to say #2 should claim that, but that kind of information can be useful for a townie nevertheless
3) If #1 is mafia they can't just not choose CPR to give it to another mafia, because if that would be the case mafia would get the 2 most powerful roles that way.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 14 2012 21:11 GMT
#377
I could support a

1. CPR
2. CPR
3. Janitor
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 14 2012 21:16 GMT
#378
If we do decide to go with set picks, we need to have a solid decision before the draft order goes through. Mafia will change their preferences based on what positions they get so we can't have any more discussion once the order is revealed.
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 14 2012 21:30 GMT
#379
Pretty much agree with plans going in so far.
I'll add in that there's a possibility of someone defecting from the plan early (maybe #1-3) for traitor cause not only would they help mafia by not blocking a critical role but also possibly messing up the plan entirely. Toad's plan of having two people being assigned a role would solve this problem as well cause then it would check the role of the person above.

1. CPR
2. Janitor
3. CPR
4. Janitor
Whaaaa?
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
May 14 2012 21:33 GMT
#380
hmm, I disagree that double picking CPR is the best plan. Your plan may acount for 100% of the possibilities, we only need to acount for 90% in order to detour scum. I think the CPR/RB synergy plan is the way to go. here are the possibilities:

If both are town = sweet, then we control the role blocker, and we can use the CPR doc for shots on scum later in the game when our aim will be better

If 1 town/scum = not bad. If the roleblocker is scum, he still has to roleblock the CPR doc, or get lynched. If the CPR is scum, we get to roleblock them. If the scum decides to drop the CPR to his buddy, whatever role he picks will still be RBed by town, making whatever the next powerful role he picked useless.

If both are scum = not good, but very VERY unlikely.

with your plan,

If both are town = good, but not great. Sure we know where the CPR doc is, but we have one VT that could have been a RB, giving him a role, and denying one for scum.

If 1 town/scum = not good. ether scum gets CPR doc with no backups, or better yet for them, scum can chose whatever they want and simply "confirm" that the top pick has CPR doc.

If both are scum = really bad

between these 2 plans, I think mine is the better pick.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
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