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MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
May 01 2012 00:54 GMT
#361
I'm heading out to a nice dinner, and I may not be back in time to make the Night Post. Day 3 is being extended by 1 hour to 20:00 PDT, just in case. My apologies in advance.
Trust in Bayes.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
May 01 2012 03:03 GMT
#362
[image loading]





Night 3:


The Politburo members felt an increasing weariness as the days wore on. Without the Vice President to lead them, they returned to the previous day's discussion, targeting imallinson. Ydriel and Gossemerr took a nap during the proceedings, and the Minister of Security happily threw them both into a locked janitorial closet together.

imallinson, Vanilla Town, was lynched!
Ydriel, Mafia Goon, was modkilled!
Gossemerr, Vanilla Town, was modkilled!

Please PM your night actions to both me and GMarshal. Day 4 will begin in 24 hours, at 19:00 PDT on May 1, 2012.




Vote Count:

imallinson: 4
insectoceanx
Stossel
Zealos
MajuGarzett

insectoceanx: 3
Zealos
ForTheDr3am
oneplus
imallinson

Stossel:
imallinson

Not voting: 2
Ydriel
Gossemerr
Trust in Bayes.
insectoceanx
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States331 Posts
May 01 2012 03:16 GMT
#363
Wow that leaves 4 townies and 2 mafia. Which means after the mafia kill we have one chance to get the vote right.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
May 01 2012 04:55 GMT
#364
@oneplus
Why did you decide to vote for insect last round? You hadn't previously posted much against him and you said that Zealos was your strongest scum read.
oneplus
Profile Joined October 2010
Malaysia34 Posts
May 01 2012 08:24 GMT
#365
Because it seem impossible to lynch zealos so I go for Insectoceanx, and there you go Immalinson is not a scum thats why I am not going to vote for him.

My current scum read ----> Draco/Zealos and another one is Insectoceanx
Maju and dream if you are town please cooperate to get 1 of them.
oneplus
Profile Joined October 2010
Malaysia34 Posts
May 01 2012 08:31 GMT
#366
I have already made my analysis between draco who is stossel now and zealos which we have a comfirmed scum between them but none of you figure this out I am sad T.T stop helping the scum to miss lynch town anymore it sucks
insectoceanx
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States331 Posts
May 01 2012 12:02 GMT
#367
On May 01 2012 17:31 oneplus wrote:
I have already made my analysis between draco who is stossel now and zealos which we have a comfirmed scum between them but none of you figure this out I am sad T.T stop helping the scum to miss lynch town anymore it sucks


What do you mean we have a confirmed scum between them?
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 01 2012 12:26 GMT
#368
On May 01 2012 07:53 insectoceanx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2012 00:11 Zealos wrote:
On April 30 2012 21:22 insectoceanx wrote:
@Zealos

You voted for imallinson before? Why are you voting for me now?

@Townspeople

We all need consensus to get a lynch through, as stossel said above me, sticking to the plan is important as
Furthermore, the lynching of Arctic only serves to make an imallinson vote more worthwhile. The failure to lynch was not due to lack of suspicion and so scum could've easily kept Arctic alive another night to push imallinson for another lynching if he was town and used their hit to focus on someone else.

Because you irritate me big time. How dare you come back after being a complete lurker, only to call the only people who bothered keeping town active mafia.



I'm sorry I may have said that wrong before. What I meant is that the people who did not vote are probably not mafia. It would seem really unfair if the mods let them get by with lynching people at nignt and not posting anything or voting all day. Therefore by active I meant anyone who has posted anything. I was not meaning to point the finger at the most active of the players.

It's perfectly possible that there was one of them around in the night or something. I agree that your logic makes sense, but its not flawless. I think a lynch of insect seems pretty sound at this point.
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insectoceanx
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States331 Posts
May 01 2012 23:52 GMT
#369
As the mafia kill approaches I thought I would go through and reasses my reads on all players.

1 Maju

I have been reading him a scum for most the game. But going back through and reading his repsonses and the posts he writes himself I am leaning more towards him being town. He has responded to questions of his guilt/intentions well and hasnt needlessly defended himself.

2. Draco/Stossel

@Stossel: Both you and I voted for imallinson. Now that he turned town what are your current reads for the 2 remaining mafia and why? Right now who would you vote to lynch? Also who is townie for sure?

3. Zealos
Still hasn't posted a cohesive arguement about anything and has had an aggressive stance about everything. As others have pointed out he has always been in the fos but never voted for. Definate cadidate for lynching, perhaps #1.

4 Dream
Voted for imallinson the first time around, second time around voted for me saying that imallinson flipping green would show a scumslip on my part. If dream is mafia himself he is trying to get town cred calling the green flip and throw me under the bus at the same time. This wouldnt stand out to me as mafia unless he hadnt just voted imallinson the day before without posting any reason at all for his change except to pick me out as mafia mislynching a townie.

@Dream: What changed that you no longer thought imallinson was scum?

5oneplus

My number one townread this game. Has stuck to his guns on Zealos for entire game and but still has had good posts regarding other players.

@oneplus: Who do you think the next player to lynch should be? I trust your judgement over everyone elses at this point.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 02:09:21
May 02 2012 02:04 GMT
#370
[image loading]





Day 4:


Fewer phones rang. Fewer lights stayed on. Fewer men breathed. They were all intelligent, and they knew what was going to happen tonight. oneplus, the Minister of Security, sat in his chair, softly humming the patriotic songs of the People's Liberation Army. His service pistol lay at hand's reach, but it would not save his life. As his killers came for him, he silently hoped that he had served his people well.

When the next day dawned, only five men sat at a table meant for a far larger number. Two of them were traitors, with the blood of a half-dozen illustrious men at their hands. But who? Both sides knew that unless that question was answered correctly today, the long ordeal would be over.

oneplus, Town Vigilante, was killed!

It is now Day 4. The deadline is in 48 hours, 19:00 PST on 5/1/12. Remember to vote in this thread. Proper formatting is ##Vote: <NAME>
Trust in Bayes.
ForTheDr3am
Profile Joined November 2010
842 Posts
May 02 2012 15:19 GMT
#371
On May 02 2012 08:52 insectoceanx wrote:
4 Dream
Voted for imallinson the first time around, second time around voted for me saying that imallinson flipping green would show a scumslip on my part. If dream is mafia himself he is trying to get town cred calling the green flip and throw me under the bus at the same time. This wouldnt stand out to me as mafia unless he hadnt just voted imallinson the day before without posting any reason at all for his change except to pick me out as mafia mislynching a townie.

@Dream: What changed that you no longer thought imallinson was scum?


Your scumslip was saying (or implying) that the replacements would have voted for imallinson if they were mafia, as I explained before. The post with why I voted for imallison is this one:

Frankly, I don't like voting with so many people still not having posted anything. I don't really feel like choosing imallinson for his lurking alone is a particularly strong reason and it bothers me that everybody that votes for him just says that. At the risk of repeating myself, I originally found him more suspicious than others because his posts (especially his latest post) had the most fluff, giving me the impression that they were made to pretend to contribute. Now he apparently completely disappeared together with a bunch of others though, and I have to wonder how much that notion of mine is actually worth. Still, I have to make a decision now and I would rather take a shot at him than risk a no-lynch.


I did say why I originally suspected him, but didn't feel much different towards him than towards other lurkers at that point anymore. Still, lynching a lurker was a better alternative to a no-lynch (even though the no-lynch happened) and as a side note, has been your reasoning as to why you voted for him as well (as well as many others).

I also want to mention another part of your post:

On May 02 2012 08:52 insectoceanx wrote:
5oneplus

My number one townread this game. Has stuck to his guns on Zealos for entire game and but still has had good posts regarding other players.

@oneplus: Who do you think the next player to lynch should be? I trust your judgement over everyone elses at this point.


Which is very obviously insincere and shows that you are just making your reads up. Nevermind the fact that oneplus hasn't posted anything too substantial for quite a while, he voted for you the last day and yet you apparently trust his judgement. That is definitely not what a townie would ever say.

##Vote: insectoceanx
insectoceanx
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States331 Posts
May 02 2012 15:32 GMT
#372
No one has posted anything too substantial in a while which is part of the problem. Townies only have one chance to get a correct lynch tonight or else the mafia wins. Now all of a sudden you launch an attack on me. I think you are the pot calling the kettle black.

I want to hear from everyone in this thread, we have 3 townies and 2 scum left. We are never going to figure out who is who if everyone is silent.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 02 2012 16:54 GMT
#373
Well, insect, you have seemed pretty suspicious recently, so instead of making blanket claims, you could defend yourself from Dr3ams case, because atm:
##Vote: insectoceanx
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
May 02 2012 21:27 GMT
#374
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insectoceanx
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States331 Posts
May 03 2012 01:47 GMT
#375
Well zealos there really isnt that much to say about dream. His filter is only one page long. He posted a case on draco on the 23rd to 25th of april and since then he really hasnt posted anything that takes a solid stand on anything.

Again In ask stossel and maju to get in here and post. We cant separate the scum without you!

What is dramas case? 3 players did not vote, there are still curently still 3 scum alive. I say that the 3 who did not vote cant all be scum. The next night 2 of them do not vote again, 1 is not scum and 1 is. My point held true, that in our lynch all lurker mindset we were targeting townies that were inactive, while scum was able to post and be respected as a valued townie just because they were active.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
May 03 2012 03:52 GMT
#376
I agree with the last part of Dream's argument against insect. It does seem odd to completely trust someone who wanted to lynch you the day before.
Your scumslip was saying (or implying) that the replacements would have voted for imallinson if they were mafia, as I explained before. The post with why I voted for imallison is this one:

I don't see how this is a scumslip. Its a true statement.
I want to see Stossel post. I had my suspicions on Dracholich and they did not disappear with the player change. I also want Zealos to explain his votes in more detail. He says insect has seemed suspicious but doesn't day why.

I would like to point out that insect defended against no point of dream's case. Insect merely gave facts about Dream then moved to other topics. Give a real defense, insect, or I may have to vote for you.
Stossel
Profile Joined February 2009
United States47 Posts
May 03 2012 12:23 GMT
#377
On May 03 2012 10:47 insectoceanx wrote:
What is dramas case? 3 players did not vote, there are still curently still 3 scum alive. I say that the 3 who did not vote cant all be scum. The next night 2 of them do not vote again, 1 is not scum and 1 is. My point held true, that in our lynch all lurker mindset we were targeting townies that were inactive, while scum was able to post and be respected as a valued townie just because they were active.


You assume this lynch all lurker mindset is bad because you believe that the mafia would all be active. Well, lo and behold when the modkills came out, we saw that even a mafia member was inactive/lurking. Now I'm not saying we haven't made bad calls, the results speak for themselves, but flying under the radar is a viable tactic and is one we're right to look out for, especially in the first few days. This is why it's so important for townies to be active in the first few days so that mafia feel the pressure to be active as well and thus increase their chances of scumslipping.

My top scumread is Insect, and it didn't solidify until Dr3am's post and here's why:

Dr3am came on strong early and then kind of petered out late. I wasn't sure if he was trying to establish himself townie and then fly under the radar or what. It's true that his filter isn't impressive in quantity but a few good posts beats a bunch of fluff.

However, what Dr3am has going for him is that his accusations are fearless and they make sense. At other times this could mean anything, but tonight it means quite a bit more. If we lynch a townie tonight we lose. In providing such a strong accusation, Dr3am is either fairly convinced you're scum or he's scum himself. It would not make sense for Dr3am and insect to both be scum because if Dr3am bussed insect, he'd have to risk another day convincing someone to vote for someone else, not to mention risk his KP on someone with protection (however low that risk may be).

Insect's attitude toward Oneplus is what seals it for me. He's trying to latch onto what he sees as a respected townie so he can himself appear town. This is a "safe" move, but ruined, as Dr3am points out, by Oneplus's own suspicions.

So combining Insect's scumslips with my townread of Dr3am, I'm willing to vote for Insect.

##Vote: Insectoceanx
insectoceanx
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States331 Posts
May 03 2012 12:49 GMT
#378
By saying I trusted oneplusses judgement was to say that I would trust his next target for a scumread. Yes he had suspicions on me, but just because he did it didn't change the fact that I was sure he was town. I was really hoping to get another post from oneplus before he was killed but that didnt happen.

With the statement I made about the people who did not vote. Yes I assumed, perhaps wrongly that if they had voted at least one or more would have voted for imallinson, if i am scum I wouldve known that imallinson would flip green and other mafia would vote for him most likely, but if i am not mafia and do not know what imallinson was It is still a safe assumption and was my assumption that imallinson was either scum or just posted so badly as to warrant a lynch, something that enough people believed in with me to lynch him again the next night.

If I was mafia why would I be trying to get everyone to talk since the last night. I would probably be doing what dream is doing and trying to throw someone I know to be town down. I admit my posting wasnt the best and I made myself into an easy target. I am not mafia and you will see that once you vote for me. I'm going to vote for dream and I'll be back again later to answer any questions.
##Vote: ForTheDr3am
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 03 2012 13:34 GMT
#379
Wait, did you only vote for him because he voted for you?
On the internet if you disagree with or dislike something you're angry and taking it too seriously. == Join TLMafia !
insectoceanx
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States331 Posts
May 03 2012 18:57 GMT
#380
No I voted for him because I am town and he started the votes against me. If someone else has a better candidate I would consider switching.

FTD had been concentrating on Draco and then was pretty quiet. He voted for imallinson once and then when it looked like imallinson would get lynched the second time around he switched his vote to agaisnt me without much else of a reason.

I was trying to put off voting until everyone else got in here and also made some suggestions but as it is no one else is voting, so I'm going to vote for one of my top 2 suspects, FTD and zealos.
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