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To re-emphasise the obvious.
On March 07 2013 09:00 GreYMisT wrote:
It is now day 4! the day will last 24 hours! with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch!
This is the first time all game we haven't had a clear front runner for lynch, and with ~18hrs left I am getting concerned about consolidation (mainly because most of the action will occur whilst I am asleep & there are signs of strong disagreement).
I suggest for this cycle we stick with the 3 candidates seriously proposed:
(1) Glurio
(2) jcarlsoniv
(3) Aquanim
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On March 07 2013 15:04 MilkSuckler wrote:AllTo re-emphasise the obvious. Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 09:00 GreYMisT wrote:
It is now day 4! the day will last 24 hours! with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch! This is the first time all game we haven't had a clear front runner for lynch, and with ~18hrs left I am getting concerned about consolidation (mainly because most of the action will occur whilst I am asleep & there are signs of strong disagreement). I suggest for this cycle we stick with the 3 candidates seriously proposed: (1) Glurio (2) jcarlsoniv (3) Aquanim
Thank you for emphasizing the Obvious! Just joking at the moment. Catching up on today's action, if you're still here is that a parallel or series list of names. Is that the order you think is most likely to flip red?
I'll give glurio another read when I'm at a proper computer but I know I was concerned about jcarl given his threatening tone towards DocH earlier and his eagerness to vote that I also pointed out.
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On March 07 2013 15:04 MilkSuckler wrote:AllTo re-emphasise the obvious. Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 09:00 GreYMisT wrote:
It is now day 4! the day will last 24 hours! with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch! This is the first time all game we haven't had a clear front runner for lynch, and with ~18hrs left I am getting concerned about consolidation (mainly because most of the action will occur whilst I am asleep & there are signs of strong disagreement). I suggest for this cycle we stick with the 3 candidates seriously proposed: (1) Glurio (2) jcarlsoniv (3) Aquanim
Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy.
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On March 07 2013 15:14 ObviousOne wrote:
if you're still here is that a parallel or series list of names. Is that the order you think is most likely to flip red?
I'll give glurio another read when I'm at a proper computer but I know I was concerned about jcarl given his threatening tone towards DocH earlier and his eagerness to vote that I also pointed out.
Ordered by introduction as lynch candidate.
My vote is on glurio as it stands. Will have a deeper re-think when I get home and have a chance to read all 3 filters.
Welcome back to the thread.
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On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote:
Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy.
I agree town is not in a clear-win situation; but I would rather have a lynch with the number advantage we have currently than go through a no-lynch.
If you think there is chance for convincing cases elsewhere, perhaps, you can take the lead and provide us a suitable alternative.
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On March 07 2013 12:46 Aquanim wrote:
I can't see any breadcrumbs in BH's posts after the dayposts besides his mad-dog charges at Chezinu and Geript, so they were presumably his checks. He could have been paranoid, or maybe Geript was framed by RO. Unless someone can find a breadcrumb all his checks were presumably on now-dead players so I don't see the point in further speculation.
Geript had to die. He was destroying us. Behavior alone was worth the lynch regardless of alignment. If you're concerned about how that went down, may I suggest taking a look at who was instigating him into further shitting up the thread? You might find mafia there, or annoyed town; you tell us.
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On March 07 2013 13:52 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 13:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
People are called out multiple times as well throughout the thread, hell I didn't even include Prom. That is almost EVERYONE in the thread Mocsta has suggested we lynch. Throwing around suspicion at absolutely everyone he possibly can all the time doesn't exactly strike me as town behaviour.
There are a few more gut things that bother me about Mocsta but his filter is just so godawful to go through right now I just can't do it anymore. Hell you can add filter occlusion to the list. His play reminds me VERY STGRONGLY of his play from NMM 37.
Scummy. (1) This is retarded. If you manage to secure a mislynch of this, you need to look closely at your reads. Everything you highlighted indicates a townie that gives a shit about the game... not a scum player. Instead of looking at who is accused, why dont you read the reasoning. A lot of is sound (based on what we knew at the time).. the development of thought process is transparent. Frankly, I am getting pissed off you keep refering to my scum game in NMM37. The only thing that is common is activity which is not an indicator for me. My agenda is completely different from NMM37, that game, i tunneled one guy as an excuse to contribute. If anything, your post makes me confirmed town, if you want to put so much emphasis into meta.
Wow this interaction.... just. Getting really bad vibes from WoS going to have another go at his filter thanks to this. Damn.
Either this is the worst attempt ever at meta or WoS really just wants a strong voice/player dead (which seems to be the scum strategy, so it fits the bill). Verdict later. I am more interested in Jcarl.
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On March 07 2013 10:16 randombum wrote:Decided to start reading filters just based off the order list and composing my thoughts about each one as I go along. So start with grush. First thing that caught my attention: Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 05:59 grush57 wrote:yessiree, tho that was the only time my actions didn't get taken, maybe cuz I only sent it to co-host but I will send both this game  If we never figure out the odd night two I think grush deserves extra attention. The fact that he has "forgotten" to submit an action to both hosts before might be something he kept in mind. Sums up my opinion of grush. He plays around with starsense and then nothing else. Very empty filter. His only reads have been sure that toad is mafia. Very sure on geript being mafia, and then a one liner saying he doesn't like RO and Hassy. His most recent reads are aqua/jcarl. I won't fault him for who he has been targeting. Because I had suspicisions on toad, jcarl, RO and hassy, but its how he has done it. There's literally only one piece on analysis from him this whole game. and that's + Show Spoiler +On March 03 2013 14:25 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 14:10 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 03 2013 13:58 grush57 wrote:
Surely atleast some scum tried to switch to Geript. I doubt scum would get in the position for both candidates to be scum. Agreed (somewhat) geript (6): DoctorHelvetica, geript, Chezinu, jcarlsoniv, MilkSuckler, glurio, What do you think about JCarlsoniv grush57? On March 03 2013 13:58 grush57 wrote:
Tho if geript is scum then we got this in the bag. y? 2 scum left baby! idk I just said something random man and jcarlsoniv.... Well he kind of defended for Chez like why would he shoot town when he could get counter claimed. Plus he shot milkman, which wasn't the strongest town leader this game. Basically he made some good arguments but Chez is scum But then there's also stuff about throwing suspicion on Toad and JJ, and while he also sais bad stuff about Chez he wants to lynch geript, but that was after Dr H. And then there's this Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Gettin' real tired of your shit, Chez which strikes me as a scum to scumbuddy post. Idk this is kinda just rambling but yea I think jcarl is a good vig/lynch target for tomorrow. And that's not even very in depth. I get the feeling that grush isn't even that convinced on jcarl from that post. It's like he's trying to say something, that he can point to be and "I knew he was scum" but not actually be the cause of his death. Does somebody see something I'm not seeing because this just screams mafia to me.
Grush scum meta is much more spammy and intentionally useless. His scum meta also contains more PUSH than his town meta, and he doesn't seem to be pushing for anything this game. I'm not comfortable lynching into him just yet but I would really like to see something solid from him today.
Obvious verdict: 3P or bored T (since it feels somewhat off from his town meta). Not today.
On March 06 2013 07:46 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 07:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 06 2013 06:50 grush57 wrote:On March 06 2013 06:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 06 2013 06:40 Aquanim wrote:On March 06 2013 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I had to guess based on my gut who that would be it would be WoS or BlazingHand. You think scum BH would have hard-bussed Chezinu day 2 like he did, reducing scum KP to ONE? 0.o 0.o 0.o It's something I would do If geript flips town we should definitely think about lynching WF Nah. You're a much better target. Also I don't know whether to be honoured or insulted since more and more people seem to think half of what I write is scripted. k gl
What makes you feel so safe Grush? Or was that just at the time and not in general, because you filter does feel kind of comfy safe and that might just be you skating under the radar given all the bullshit that happened in the thread D3?
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WoS
##Vote: WoS
Now thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences.
On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote:
Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players.
Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript.
What dost make of this ! 
P.S. For good measure
On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote:
I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner.
That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later
On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie.
So I'm going to vote WoS for now. On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote:
why does everyone think WoS is town et On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good.
So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S
On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote:
Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy.
Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim.
##Vote: WoS
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On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote:
[Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax]
Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes
TestSubject
Want to have a go explaining this one....
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Mocsta that blew my mind. I need a towel. Oh look there's one in the voting thread.
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I don't know WoS, I've probably FoS'd more than twice as many people as MilkSuckler has. I don't see what's particularly scummy about that, wouldn't scum be more deliberate about who they go after?
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Who else would second guess/change their mind that often but a townie who is constantly considering new information as opposed to scum who are trying to create information to support already formed ideas and accusations
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TestSubject
General Trends
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I'm definitely a slow reader so hopefully I can get some more of my thoughts in once this thread stops outpacing me, lol.
I really don't understand how so people are getting to the conclusion that because we don't have enough control over the vote to try and make the person we lynch pardoner we should make a good player pardoner. Am I missing something?
You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"?
On February 27 2013 10:30 TestSubject893 wrote:
@layabout: If you don't want me to respond to something, why even post it? On top of that, if you think my response is invalid, why don't you want more explanation? Your last few posts directed at me have really rubbed me the wrong way. I'd like some explanation. Did you misread what I wrote or what? The way I see those posts you're picking a fight with someone just for the sake of it. And the most obvious explanation for that would be that you want to look like you're contributing to town, without doing much. These quotes don't cover it on their own, but my impression of TestSubject's play as a whole is that TestSubject is minimizing himself and trying not to draw attention to himself. By comparison his play in NMM37 was much more assertive. @Mocsta, Glurio and WoS, you played with him in 37, do you agree with this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395714&user=52297There's a general trend in the totality of TestSubject's filter this game towards self-doubt and timidity. I mean like every second post. IMO this is completely different to his meta in 37 and furthermore it is scummy; a scum player, particularly a newbie, would be expected to 'hide in the corner' and be passive. I also don't get the impression that he's trying to learn anything from the thread. None of the few questions he ask have particular direction or make me think they're serving a purpose.
Day One
+ Show Spoiler +TestSubject spent a LOT of time day one talking about a) Pardoner policy and b) setting up the election at the end of the day, both of which are nice and safe topics for scum. He also threw a bunch of noncommittal doubt on DoctorH: On February 27 2013 09:35 TestSubject893 wrote:I've been working all day and just now got caught up on the thread. Here's what I've got. Promethelax is still my top scum read and I will be voting for a mayor that wants to kill him. Jungle Jorge and ObviousOne, in that order, are next on my scum list. I think we're placing a little too much trust in DoctorHelvetica. It seems like some people are treating him as nearly confirmed town, and frankly he's not even close to that in my book. Moreover, I'm afraid that should DrH get either of the elected roles, his perception as confirmed town will only be furthered, without him doing anything more pro-town. Most of his cred has come from telling people they aren't scumhunting enough and how great scumhunting is, and while these things are pro-town, its not something that's hard to fake. On top of that, the only contribution he's made on the scumhunting front is to really amplify the pressure on Prome. While again, this is great, the fact that he seems to be distancing himself from it slightly in this post + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote:
I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo.
Jcarlsoniv do you believe prom and vivax are town? If yes, what makes you believe so? Weird that you chose to respond to that specifically. Maybe not, maybe I'm being paranoid. And yes, I'm still pushing Prome for the day. He basically martyred so he should die. I'm working from 1-10 PST tonight so unfortunately I'm not gonna be able to be here to push him. Since all discussion is built on this foundation of lynching Prome, it's the best outcome for us right now. At least for Day 1. I would never say to lynch for information, I absolutely believe he is scum but there is no sense in acting on hunches and getting distracted. Don't fuck it up guys keep focused on the goal of finding scum. Everything else comes second. is a little concerning to me. I think it's likely that DrH is town, but lets make him prove that to us before we show him so much trust. Hopefully, we've gotten it right with Prome, in which case DrH will be deserving of the town cred he seems to currently have. With the this in mind, I'm going to vote for someone who is going lynch Prome, but whose election I think will not stunt discussion and critique of the mayor himself. ##Vote: VisceraEyes I know, I know, there's a distinction between "confirmed town" and "likely town" but still this post is just pointless.
Night One
+ Show Spoiler +On March 01 2013 14:34 TestSubject893 wrote:
Ok, so I rewrote this post like 5 times and changed my mind back and forth, and at the end of it all I ended up not coming up with as great of thoughts as I had originally thought I had when it was all coming togther.
I'll start with the basics I suppose. I agree with DrH on Toad. He's the top of the list for me. From there I feel like one of either Aqua or OO is scum. I was gonna write up some reasons on why its OO, but when I was doing that I kind of talked myself into thinking that its Aqua. After that grush is looking suspicious to me, but he's in that category of players where everyone talks about their crazy meta and how it needs to be taken into account and I'm not currently taking it into account, so take that for what its worth.
The bulk of my thoughts were gonna be about how when I read Chez asking the questions about the 3rd parties and claiming he didn't know how to add, I thought for sure he was a 3rd party just putting on a show. Because immediately after that WF jumped on him as scum I thought that he has the same read as me and was mafia trying to get the 3rd party lynched. This all still added up even after Chez shot if he is town because mafia wouldn't know for sure he wasn't 3rd party in the time in between.
When I was writing it all up I changed my mind on it. WF just isn't scummy looking enough to me outside of that, so I ended up scrapping it. It is something that really jumped out at me though, so if WF becomes the center of attention later, its something we could relook at. This post. Originally, I (and I believe many other people) got a town read on TestSubject from this post. In hindsight, I can't see why saying he doesn't have any decent reads makes him town. Maybe it's slightly better than not posting anything at all, but "oh shit sorry guys I couldn't come up with anything" isn't really good enough to make him town just based on this. His statement that "one of Aqua or OO is scum" doesn't have any firm reasoning behind it, which he admits later.
Day Two
+ Show Spoiler +On March 02 2013 07:08 TestSubject893 wrote:
Chez's behavior after his shot is too just too scummy to not lynch him. I'm putting my vote on him.
##vote: Chez Now there's a vote with some conviction.[/sarcasm] And even after that he tries to swing the lynch onto Geript. On March 03 2013 01:59 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 01:46 MilkSuckler wrote:No bites? Lets try again On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript
I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations. The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot. Geript, no idea what role he possesses.@ALLThoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript? I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know.
Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 02 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
If this were a ragequit, then I'd stop reading the thread. The only way I see that I can push my reads at this point is to get lynched. The only time it's useful to the town, in my view, is if I get lynched today. I'm concerned that the vig won't consider attacking me at night for fear that I'm the armorer or whatever. You're not even going to attempt to defend your shit logic? What exactly would a flip on you prove? We've already had flips on people you've been fingering all game and boy oh BOY have THEY been telling. I'm honestly just wondering how you're going to justify all of your tells throughout the game to yourself in the postgame. I'm really looking forward to it. Especially if your lynch in some who-the-fuck-knows-how way gets me killed. I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip. Everything Else Until NowNo real further contributions, but the overall trend in his posting continues. I don't feel like going into depth here because everything between the Chezinu lynch and the start of today hurts my brain and basically nobody contributed much anyway.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2013 16:56 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote:
[Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax]
Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes TestSubjectWant to have a go explaining this one.... -------- On March 04 2013 05:12 JungleJorge wrote:
Don't lynch geript tomorrow, lynch RO. On March 04 2013 05:14 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 05:12 JungleJorge wrote:
Don't lynch geript tomorrow, lynch RO. Ok, why? On March 04 2013 05:17 JungleJorge wrote:
If I live through the night I'll bother explaining. Otherwise I'll flip town and you take my word for it. On March 04 2013 05:37 TestSubject893 wrote:
JJ, it is possible that they in fact both are mafia. Is there a reason you think we get more out lynching RO compared to the more unanimously scummy geript?
Conclusion
He's been lurking pretty hard, hasn't expressed firm opinions on anything and his tone overall feels like he's trying to hide.
Your wagons are cool and all guys but TestSubject is scum.
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I still like to highlight my earlier post:
On March 07 2013 00:19 glurio wrote:Because you are wrong, again. I'd like to lynch either jcarlsoninv or grush tonight. Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 10:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 03 2013 09:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript and jcarls need to get whacked tonight I strongly urge you to reconsider sending your little minions after me. Me dying would be a poor fate indeed. Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 07:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Milksuckler: thank you for saying what I've wanted to say. It means more coming out of someone else's mouth.
To reiterate, why would I (as scum) defend Chez so hard when he was all but dead? I truly thought he would flip green, and I was (obviously) wrong.
But if it will ease everyone's minds, by all means, kill me tomorrow. It's not like we don't have people to spare. My death should be fun AND informative! This guy might be the bartender. Grush because he did nothing this game. Nothing.
So i want to lynch jcarlsoniv today.
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
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On March 07 2013 20:07 glurio wrote:I still like to highlight my earlier post: Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 00:19 glurio wrote:Because you are wrong, again. I'd like to lynch either jcarlsoninv or grush tonight. On March 03 2013 10:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 03 2013 09:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript and jcarls need to get whacked tonight I strongly urge you to reconsider sending your little minions after me. Me dying would be a poor fate indeed. On March 05 2013 07:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Milksuckler: thank you for saying what I've wanted to say. It means more coming out of someone else's mouth.
To reiterate, why would I (as scum) defend Chez so hard when he was all but dead? I truly thought he would flip green, and I was (obviously) wrong.
But if it will ease everyone's minds, by all means, kill me tomorrow. It's not like we don't have people to spare. My death should be fun AND informative! This guy might be the bartender. Grush because he did nothing this game. Nothing. So i want to lynch jcarlsoniv today. ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
That isn't an acceptable reason to not be voting for TestSubject.
You think jcarlsoniv *might* be the bartender? Seriously? You're going to have to justify your vote a little better than that.
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I find jcarlsoniv to be much scummier. I believe he is either 3rd party or scum. (Right now im obviously leaning 3rd party.)
Thats why i vote for him.
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On March 07 2013 20:16 glurio wrote:
I find jcarlsoniv to be much scummier. I believe he is either 3rd party or scum. (Right now im obviously leaning 3rd party.)
Thats why i vote for him.
What exactly about him do you find scummy?
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