• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:49
CET 13:49
KST 21:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
https://www.facebook.com/Silen.Sense.Calm.Ears.Ire What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion KK Platform will provide 1 million CNY Recent recommended BW games Gypsy to Korea RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group B 2026 Changsha Offline Cup [ASL21] Ro24 Group A
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Darkest Dungeon Path of Exile
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Which is better SEO or PPC? [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11530 users

TL Mafia LVI - Page 18

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 97 Next
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
June 30 2012 15:12 GMT
#341
This is the case on mKmKmK.
On June 30 2012 10:12 mKmKmK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 10:06 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I am a Role Name.

how quaint.

vague post is vague...

Kenpachi rule. Wishy washy reaction towards VT claim while trying to paint it in bad light.

On June 30 2012 22:21 mKmKmK wrote:
VE, the way you sad that BM may be the first lynch, but then went ahead and voted for BKE seems pretty much like your trying to start a bandwagon on BKE. I know that there are valid arguments saying that he is scum, but the way you said

Show nested quote +
Nah, let's see where this goes.


is giving me a really scummy impression from you.


Also, I have a feeling that Kurumi is scum. I'm not sure why, he's just giving me bad vibes.

Says "I know there are valid arguements saying he is scum", yet he gets "a scummy impression" from one of his phrasings, so VE's valid arguments are no longer valid? Logical disconnect.

"Feelings" and "vibes". No FoS, no vote. Very little reasoning, TBH. Waiting for a bandwagon.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 30 2012 15:13 GMT
#342
On July 01 2012 00:02 Vivax wrote:
Shiao, maybe that vote was weak for the case to start, but the follow up matters too, just cause a case starts based on a weak claim doesn't mean that the information obtained from the reactions is useless.

--snipped---


His reaction was pretty much: "lol just ignore BM"
Since in my opinion that case was pretty much trumped up, nothing special here. I would also not feel obliged to "defend" myself from something like that. VE gave an explanation, subscribing the thread through a post, since then there has not been stuff going on against VE and even BM switched into going after Acrofales, which looks weird as hell, as there is also no reason behind it save for: "he defended VE!! HE IS SCUM!"

I just do not see a basis for suspicion right now.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 30 2012 15:14 GMT
#343
@EchelonTee:
What is the Kenpachi rule?
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
June 30 2012 15:17 GMT
#344
It's a semi-joke semi-legit tactic used by a dude named Kenpachi. Kenpachi claims vanilla townie almost every game. Sometimes, newbie scum see this and react badly to it. I've seen it directly work, but it's not end all be all.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 30 2012 15:28 GMT
#345
Well you raise some good points on mkmkmk, filter size is really small though and he should pop by to post something more, before I would judge him.

Generally said, activity could really use a bump :O

I think there are still a bunch of players who have not posted yet, also BKE, casualman mind coming back to answer questions?

Add drwiggles to that list, dropping a vote without reason and disappearing afterwards is baaaad.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22251 Posts
June 30 2012 15:29 GMT
#346
On July 01 2012 00:06 EchelonTee wrote:

This is epicmafia level logic. AKA, not good.



I think self-voting and posting lots of short, pretty contentless posts from the beginning on might be one of the safest options for scum to look townie, then he started a case against Broodking based on this:

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 30 2012 10:39 VisceraEyes wrote:

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I want to start out discussing newbies. How are we as a town going to deal with players that are not as strong (as we do have a couple in the game)? Personally I think that these players need to be examined for the intent of their posts more than the evidence that they provide. Newbies still need to figure out what types of evidence are valid for examining a person, and we need to look at whether they are trying to draw out info from nothing or if there was actually a scummy read behind it. In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town. I want everyone to take this in mind as we deal with newbies.


.......I'm kinda having a hard time accepting that you don't have an agenda considering all these factors.

FoS: BKE


The case against BKE also started based on a weak claim. How the hell is one supposed to have an agenda when he's taling about policy? Should BKE have posted all lurkers and newbies or what did you expect him to do, VE?

On July 01 2012 00:06 EchelonTee wrote:
Even if you regarded VE's actions as bad, that does not make acrofales his scumbuddy. Scumbuddies often soft defend, but acrofales did an out and out defense of VE; this does not point to any significant connection between them.


I took into consideration that he defended but didn't post any cases of his own. I'm not criticizing him for doing A, I'm criticizing him for doing A but not doing B like a townie would do.

However, acrofales responded to my post already and justified his lack of cases with his sleep rhythm. Fine for me, I would be a jerk for not giving him that BOTD.

ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 30 2012 15:31 GMT
#347
What the case on BKE has is a massive contradiction of himself right here in the thread.
He posted his policy talk, seemingly protecting newbies and then goes on to attack 2 of them for their first posts. Until he can explain that 180° turn, my FoS stays on him.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22251 Posts
June 30 2012 15:36 GMT
#348
How are you so sure he was attacking newbies? Would be nice if you quoted him/posted links so you can back up the situation you're describing.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22251 Posts
June 30 2012 15:37 GMT
#349
On July 01 2012 00:12 EchelonTee wrote:
This is the case on mKmKmK.
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 10:12 mKmKmK wrote:
On June 30 2012 10:06 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I am a Role Name.

how quaint.

vague post is vague...

Kenpachi rule. Wishy washy reaction towards VT claim while trying to paint it in bad light.


I don't know about this game, but in one of the games I played as scum, mafia got a mail with the VT role pm they could use to fake claim VT. That might have been NoSmurfHere actually using that information in his favor immediately.

Can we know if mafia got a VT role pm?
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
June 30 2012 15:41 GMT
#350
By all means, scrutinize VE; he's one of the hardest players to read in TL Mafia, for better or for worse and I don't plan to let him gallivant about unchecked. The main issue with your logic is saying that "self-voting" is one of the safest options for scum to look townie. Self-voting means absolutely nothing. VE has also not been contentless.

By simple read throughs, I'm not sure how you can possibly support BM over VE.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 30 2012 15:41 GMT
#351
On July 01 2012 00:36 Vivax wrote:
How are you so sure he was attacking newbies? Would be nice if you quoted him/posted links so you can back up the situation you're describing.


Attacking Solstice, who is playing his first large game:

On June 30 2012 10:30 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote:
Hello folks. I'll be joining the ranks of the scum hunters once again (5th time in a row!). This is my first large game, so it's going to be an adjustment...but one I'm capable of making. Being that it's friday night I will be scarce, but I'll be active on saturday, and I'm sure I'll have plenty of material to analyze. Stay tuned.


Saying that this is your 5th time in a row being town-aligned has the undercurrent of convincing us you are town in this game, and you dodge posting responsibility by it being a Friday. This is a scummy post to start out with.


Attacking casualman, who is playing for the first time:

On June 30 2012 16:24 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 14:23 casualman wrote:
I love to bandwagon. Being a newb, I can read nothing from these posts and will blindly trust in authority figures. Woohoo!

##Vote BroodKingEXE

I cant think of a town reason to post this batshit insane. Sarcasm? Until you answer: ##Vote: casualman


Although his attack on casualman is much more understandable than the one going after s0lsitce who can easily be given the BOTD as it is after all a friday night.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
June 30 2012 15:42 GMT
#352
On July 01 2012 00:37 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 00:12 EchelonTee wrote:
This is the case on mKmKmK.
On June 30 2012 10:12 mKmKmK wrote:
On June 30 2012 10:06 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I am a Role Name.

how quaint.

vague post is vague...

Kenpachi rule. Wishy washy reaction towards VT claim while trying to paint it in bad light.


I don't know about this game, but in one of the games I played as scum, mafia got a mail with the VT role pm they could use to fake claim VT. That might have been NoSmurfHere actually using that information in his favor immediately.

Can we know if mafia got a VT role pm?

It doesn't really matter whether or not Mafia got the VT role PM. Knowing Wiggles, they definitely did. I'm not concerned with NoSmurfHere, I'm concerned with mKmKmK.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 30 2012 15:44 GMT
#353
I would like to thank my fellow colleague for explaining how the secret method works.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 30 2012 15:44 GMT
#354
Yes yes, it was really important for our investigation to head in the right direction.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 30 2012 15:44 GMT
#355
I am really glad I can work with you here.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
June 30 2012 15:45 GMT
#356
On June 30 2012 14:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, please stop discussing role PMs. The OP clearly states:
Show nested quote +
All flavour will appear exactly as it is here.
This is true for all roles.
[/b][/blue]
I don't want to discuss NoSmurfHere's wording of the claim; I'm focusing on the fact that he generically claimed Vanilla Townie, and mKmKmK reacting strangely at it ("vague post is vague") is an eye catcher.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18246 Posts
June 30 2012 15:45 GMT
#357
Vivax... I am getting the feeling that you have not read the OP, or most of the thread. That is pretty inexcusable.

Quote from the OP:
Sword Swallower/Fire Breather/Contortionist/Freak/Juggler/Acrobat (Vanilla Townie): You are a Role Name! You're one of the many performers at the circus, but unfortunately you possess no extra powers besides your charms, you brain, and your vote.


And then:
On June 30 2012 14:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Warning to casualman for editing. Next person to edit a post will be modkilled.

Also, please stop discussing role PMs. The OP clearly states:

Show nested quote +
All flavour will appear exactly as it is here.
This is true for all roles.


The fact that you want people to rehash information for you points to me to someone deliberately filling the thread with repetition and nonsense, which discourages people from reading it, which decreases their chance of finding scum. I am not going to repeat the multiple cases on BKE scattered throughout the thread. You can read the damned thread yourself, and click on BKE's filter (it is all of 1 page long) and find the offending posts in about 10 seconds flat.

Your unwillingness to do so points to lazy town or noob scum. Your obstinateness is making me lean towards the latter.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22251 Posts
June 30 2012 15:45 GMT
#358
You don't really want me to argue with you about a definition of a noob townie, do you? I believe s0lstice to be a good player, I was in 1 or 2 games with him. I also believe you to be a good player. And that is the whole definition of noob i can give to you, since it's subjective, don't base your claim on something subjective please.

I don't know about casualman, but posting that by him is incredibly cocky. He deserves to be killed whether he's town or not, we don't need townies acting like that, they facilitate work for scum by not playing to win.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22251 Posts
June 30 2012 15:48 GMT
#359
My above last post directed at ShiaoPi's post.

I would also advise town to wonder why acrofales made his first case against the guy suspecting the person he defended just before.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18246 Posts
June 30 2012 15:50 GMT
#360
On July 01 2012 00:48 Vivax wrote:
My above last post directed at ShiaoPi's post.

I would also advise town to wonder why acrofales made his first case against the guy suspecting the person he defended just before.

My first case was on BM
My second case was on BKE
My third case is on you

How hard is it to click on my filter and actually read it instead of posting drivel?!
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 97 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 11m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko728
Rex 114
trigger 53
MindelVK 29
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 44099
Sea 3968
Jaedong 1314
Shuttle 436
Killer 430
Mini 429
firebathero 398
Soma 333
actioN 279
Stork 263
[ Show more ]
Last 240
EffOrt 223
Soulkey 196
Hyun 171
hero 83
Sharp 61
[sc1f]eonzerg 53
sSak 47
Barracks 44
Sacsri 42
sorry 34
ToSsGirL 23
Movie 22
Hm[arnc] 20
scan(afreeca) 19
Rock 17
IntoTheRainbow 14
GoRush 14
Noble 12
SilentControl 11
Dota 2
Gorgc5955
Counter-Strike
zeus601
allub338
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor112
Other Games
FrodaN3960
singsing2018
ArmadaUGS1891
B2W.Neo1104
Happy264
XaKoH 198
crisheroes194
Fuzer 177
Sick139
RotterdaM123
KnowMe117
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV106
StarCraft: Brood War
CasterMuse 15
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1086
League of Legends
• Jankos2628
Upcoming Events
Platinum Heroes Events
2h 11m
BSL
7h 11m
RSL Revival
21h 11m
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
23h 11m
BSL
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 21h
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
1d 22h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-27
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.