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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 30 2012 17:33 GMT
#381
@BKE:
So it all depends on your definition of newbness? That whole policytalking and definition seems like a pretty good backdoor to get some pressure off you. Convince me by hunting for scum then. Until then my vote stays.

What are other people's opinion on this? Am I just having a bad case of tunneling somebody or was his defense unsatisfactory to others as well?
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
June 30 2012 18:10 GMT
#382
Hihi!
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
June 30 2012 18:45 GMT
#383
Bke is a classic d1 lynch; hard to clearly read, an active poster with strange accusations and minor breaches in logic that show only slight scumminess, but a lot of people jump on anyways. his opening post was strange, but it's not nearly as conclusive as other opening scum posts have been in the past (zealos, macpo). I find his posting scummish, but not conclusive enough for a d1 lynch, and very low on info to boot.

BM would be informative, mK would be accurate. Putting on my vote for mK.

Hi adam.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
June 30 2012 19:24 GMT
#384
ET what do you think of Katina?
ATOBTTR
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18348 Posts
June 30 2012 19:47 GMT
#385
@Solstice: you expect me to read the mafia history of 29 people? If there's something relevant in their meta in their defense, people will point it out. If there's something scummy in their meta, people will point it out. If I want to check something, I will go into people's older games, but I am not going to use meta as my main tool on people I have never played with before.

Reading the thread and reading everybody's past games are two completely different things and you can expect the former, but not the latter from people in this game.

@ET: s0lstice's post satisfies me with regards to his earlier promise to give his reads during the day. You agree?

@VE: I'm onboard with lynching BM! Lets do it. I have my vote there already.

@BKE: I am not very convinced by your defense. Scum make bad posts that they didn't expect would draw attention to them all the time. A post discussing policy is exactly the kind of harmless post scums make D1 all the time. You just got called out on it.

I'm also unsure what you're saying about BM (and why you're quoting s0lstice's post in there... he says nothing about BM). Mind elaborating?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18348 Posts
June 30 2012 19:47 GMT
#386
On July 01 2012 03:10 grush57 wrote:
Hihi!

Hi! Who do you want to lynch today?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18348 Posts
June 30 2012 19:51 GMT
#387
On July 01 2012 03:45 EchelonTee wrote:
Bke is a classic d1 lynch; hard to clearly read, an active poster with strange accusations and minor breaches in logic that show only slight scumminess, but a lot of people jump on anyways. his opening post was strange, but it's not nearly as conclusive as other opening scum posts have been in the past (zealos, macpo). I find his posting scummish, but not conclusive enough for a d1 lynch, and very low on info to boot.

BM would be informative, mK would be accurate. Putting on my vote for mK.

Hi adam.

I'm not sure you're right about BKE. I prefer a BM lynch over BKE.

I also liked your case on mK. In my experience the kenpachi rule is fairly accurate (seen it used once and it nailed scum). Other than that I'm not sure there's anything to recommend an mK lynch: he's basically a lurker.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18348 Posts
June 30 2012 19:52 GMT
#388
EBWOP: "But I prefer a BM lynch over BKE anyway."

Rearranging that post got it a bit mangled
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
June 30 2012 20:13 GMT
#389
On July 01 2012 04:52 Acrofales wrote:
EBWOP: "But I prefer a BM lynch over BKE anyway."

Rearranging that post got it a bit mangled


Why exactly do you prefer a BM lynch over a BKE lynch?

Also, I'm still waiting for VE's response to my questions, as any townie should, they are short and should be easy to answer if he was townie.
Not sure if he's evading them or just afk. But he already skipped them once.
drwiggl3s
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada167 Posts
June 30 2012 20:13 GMT
#390
Ok since some people asked, here's what I'm thinking.

I agree that BKEXE's initial posts were a tad scummy. But what gave it away to me was that after casualman voted for him, both Mattchew and BKEXE immediately returned the favour and voted for casualman to be lynched. Both without any explanation other than saying "Wtf is this". And then later, both went MIA for quite a while instead of explaining their votes or trying to defend BKEXE.

You may ask why would casualman throw his vote at BKEXE so early. It could be he is either just noob, or it could be he read BKEXE as scum (like many people are now) but just before a lot of people had the chance to.

As for other players: I find many people are soft defending BKEXE and in their posts trying to put suspicion onto others (with little reason). I see these as scummy moves.
hi
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
June 30 2012 20:24 GMT
#391
Acrofales- No I don't expect you to read past games for 29 people.

On July 01 2012 04:47 Acrofales wrote:
@Solstice: you expect me to read the mafia history of 29 people? If there's something relevant in their meta in their defense, people will point it out. If there's something scummy in their meta, people will point it out. If I want to check something, I will go into people's older games, but I am not going to use meta as my main tool on people I have never played with before.


Wha? Seems to me that this is exactly the situation you'd use meta for. If you don't know the player, the more information you can get, the better off you are.

You think Vivax is scummy here:

On July 01 2012 00:45 Acrofales wrote:
Vivax... I am getting the feeling that you have not read the OP, or most of the thread. That is pretty inexcusable.

Quote from the OP:
Show nested quote +
Sword Swallower/Fire Breather/Contortionist/Freak/Juggler/Acrobat (Vanilla Townie): You are a Role Name! You're one of the many performers at the circus, but unfortunately you possess no extra powers besides your charms, you brain, and your vote.


And then:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 14:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Warning to casualman for editing. Next person to edit a post will be modkilled.

Also, please stop discussing role PMs. The OP clearly states:

All flavour will appear exactly as it is here.
This is true for all roles.


The fact that you want people to rehash information for you points to me to someone deliberately filling the thread with repetition and nonsense, which discourages people from reading it, which decreases their chance of finding scum. I am not going to repeat the multiple cases on BKE scattered throughout the thread. You can read the damned thread yourself, and click on BKE's filter (it is all of 1 page long) and find the offending posts in about 10 seconds flat.

Your unwillingness to do so points to lazy town or noob scum. Your obstinateness is making me lean towards the latter.


There have been a handful of people you have been suspicious of. Vivax' meta is particularly easy to look up because he is new. You can get a good idea of how he plays with not a lot of time spent.

Is meta just not your thing? It seems weird to me that you would so willingly pass up an opportunity to add clarity to your read. It feels like you are being aggressive just for the sake of looking aggressive.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
June 30 2012 20:32 GMT
#392
I also want to know if anybody else got a scummy vibe from Katina's first post. Please comment.
ATOBTTR
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
June 30 2012 20:38 GMT
#393
@ s0lstice

Katina has one post.

'agrees' with a post. Nothing of her own. No need to take responsibility for the case if it fails.

Lurks heavily.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 30 2012 20:56 GMT
#394
Casualman get in this thread please, no more shananigans in the vote thread...

On July 01 2012 05:49 casualman wrote:

##Unvote: BroodKingEXE
##Vote: casualman



@solstice:
Katina has a single post and would probably fall under the lynch lurker policylynch right now. I think it would be better to go after BKE or mkmkmk
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
June 30 2012 20:57 GMT
#395
phase 2
GuMiho <3
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 30 2012 20:57 GMT
#396
On July 01 2012 05:57 casualman wrote:
phase 2


of your secret plan to world domination, which involves random vote-dropping?
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
June 30 2012 21:10 GMT
#397
On July 01 2012 01:46 MajuGarzett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote:
##VOTE: BKE

I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow.

If you're not caught up why did you vote?


I had read the first ten pages and it seemed to be the best option. Haven't changed my mind now that I'vve caught up. It's day1 tho, I don't expect a 100% surefire candidate to pop up this early.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
June 30 2012 21:23 GMT
#398
There's actually something about katina that makes me doubt about the scumminess now that I saw it in the voting thread: he/she was the first to post a vote against BKE, even before the guys who made the case against him. I don't think that mafia would be the first to vote for someone when there are just FoS out yet.

We can't call katina bandwagony with that vote.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 30 2012 21:25 GMT
#399
On July 01 2012 06:10 Mandalor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 01:46 MajuGarzett wrote:
On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote:
##VOTE: BKE

I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow.

If you're not caught up why did you vote?


I had read the first ten pages and it seemed to be the best option. Haven't changed my mind now that I'vve caught up. It's day1 tho, I don't expect a 100% surefire candidate to pop up this early.

Could you maybe share some of your decision making process?

You know, so that we can see you did more than place your vote on the guy with the most votes.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
June 30 2012 21:27 GMT
#400
Guys, look at the voting thread. Casualman just voted for himself. That's his phase 2.
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