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This is the case on mKmKmK.
On June 30 2012 10:12 mKmKmK wrote:vague post is vague...
Kenpachi rule. Wishy washy reaction towards VT claim while trying to paint it in bad light.
On June 30 2012 22:21 mKmKmK wrote:VE, the way you sad that BM may be the first lynch, but then went ahead and voted for BKE seems pretty much like your trying to start a bandwagon on BKE. I know that there are valid arguments saying that he is scum, but the way you said is giving me a really scummy impression from you. Also, I have a feeling that Kurumi is scum. I'm not sure why, he's just giving me bad vibes.
Says "I know there are valid arguements saying he is scum", yet he gets "a scummy impression" from one of his phrasings, so VE's valid arguments are no longer valid? Logical disconnect.
"Feelings" and "vibes". No FoS, no vote. Very little reasoning, TBH. Waiting for a bandwagon.
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On July 01 2012 00:02 Vivax wrote:
Shiao, maybe that vote was weak for the case to start, but the follow up matters too, just cause a case starts based on a weak claim doesn't mean that the information obtained from the reactions is useless.
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His reaction was pretty much: "lol just ignore BM"
Since in my opinion that case was pretty much trumped up, nothing special here. I would also not feel obliged to "defend" myself from something like that. VE gave an explanation, subscribing the thread through a post, since then there has not been stuff going on against VE and even BM switched into going after Acrofales, which looks weird as hell, as there is also no reason behind it save for: "he defended VE!! HE IS SCUM!"
I just do not see a basis for suspicion right now.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
@EchelonTee:
What is the Kenpachi rule?
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It's a semi-joke semi-legit tactic used by a dude named Kenpachi. Kenpachi claims vanilla townie almost every game. Sometimes, newbie scum see this and react badly to it. I've seen it directly work, but it's not end all be all.
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Well you raise some good points on mkmkmk, filter size is really small though and he should pop by to post something more, before I would judge him.
Generally said, activity could really use a bump :O
I think there are still a bunch of players who have not posted yet, also BKE, casualman mind coming back to answer questions?
Add drwiggles to that list, dropping a vote without reason and disappearing afterwards is baaaad.
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On July 01 2012 00:06 EchelonTee wrote:
This is epicmafia level logic. AKA, not good.
I think self-voting and posting lots of short, pretty contentless posts from the beginning on might be one of the safest options for scum to look townie, then he started a case against Broodking based on this:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 30 2012 10:39 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I want to start out discussing newbies. How are we as a town going to deal with players that are not as strong (as we do have a couple in the game)? Personally I think that these players need to be examined for the intent of their posts more than the evidence that they provide. Newbies still need to figure out what types of evidence are valid for examining a person, and we need to look at whether they are trying to draw out info from nothing or if there was actually a scummy read behind it. In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town. I want everyone to take this in mind as we deal with newbies. .......I'm kinda having a hard time accepting that you don't have an agenda considering all these factors. FoS: BKE
The case against BKE also started based on a weak claim. How the hell is one supposed to have an agenda when he's taling about policy? Should BKE have posted all lurkers and newbies or what did you expect him to do, VE?
On July 01 2012 00:06 EchelonTee wrote:
Even if you regarded VE's actions as bad, that does not make acrofales his scumbuddy. Scumbuddies often soft defend, but acrofales did an out and out defense of VE; this does not point to any significant connection between them.
I took into consideration that he defended but didn't post any cases of his own. I'm not criticizing him for doing A, I'm criticizing him for doing A but not doing B like a townie would do.
However, acrofales responded to my post already and justified his lack of cases with his sleep rhythm. Fine for me, I would be a jerk for not giving him that BOTD.
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What the case on BKE has is a massive contradiction of himself right here in the thread.
He posted his policy talk, seemingly protecting newbies and then goes on to attack 2 of them for their first posts. Until he can explain that 180° turn, my FoS stays on him.
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How are you so sure he was attacking newbies? Would be nice if you quoted him/posted links so you can back up the situation you're describing.
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On July 01 2012 00:12 EchelonTee wrote:This is the case on mKmKmK. Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 10:12 mKmKmK wrote:On June 30 2012 10:06 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I am a Role Name.
how quaint. vague post is vague... Kenpachi rule. Wishy washy reaction towards VT claim while trying to paint it in bad light.
I don't know about this game, but in one of the games I played as scum, mafia got a mail with the VT role pm they could use to fake claim VT. That might have been NoSmurfHere actually using that information in his favor immediately.
Can we know if mafia got a VT role pm?
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By all means, scrutinize VE; he's one of the hardest players to read in TL Mafia, for better or for worse and I don't plan to let him gallivant about unchecked. The main issue with your logic is saying that "self-voting" is one of the safest options for scum to look townie. Self-voting means absolutely nothing. VE has also not been contentless.
By simple read throughs, I'm not sure how you can possibly support BM over VE.
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On July 01 2012 00:36 Vivax wrote:
How are you so sure he was attacking newbies? Would be nice if you quoted him/posted links so you can back up the situation you're describing.
Attacking Solstice, who is playing his first large game:
On June 30 2012 10:30 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote:
Hello folks. I'll be joining the ranks of the scum hunters once again (5th time in a row!). This is my first large game, so it's going to be an adjustment...but one I'm capable of making. Being that it's friday night I will be scarce, but I'll be active on saturday, and I'm sure I'll have plenty of material to analyze. Stay tuned.
Saying that this is your 5th time in a row being town-aligned has the undercurrent of convincing us you are town in this game, and you dodge posting responsibility by it being a Friday. This is a scummy post to start out with.
Attacking casualman, who is playing for the first time:
On June 30 2012 16:24 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 14:23 casualman wrote:
I love to bandwagon. Being a newb, I can read nothing from these posts and will blindly trust in authority figures. Woohoo!
##Vote BroodKingEXE I cant think of a town reason to post this batshit insane. Sarcasm? Until you answer: ##Vote: casualman
Although his attack on casualman is much more understandable than the one going after s0lsitce who can easily be given the BOTD as it is after all a friday night.
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On July 01 2012 00:37 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:12 EchelonTee wrote:This is the case on mKmKmK. On June 30 2012 10:12 mKmKmK wrote:On June 30 2012 10:06 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I am a Role Name.
how quaint. vague post is vague... Kenpachi rule. Wishy washy reaction towards VT claim while trying to paint it in bad light. I don't know about this game, but in one of the games I played as scum, mafia got a mail with the VT role pm they could use to fake claim VT. That might have been NoSmurfHere actually using that information in his favor immediately. Can we know if mafia got a VT role pm?
It doesn't really matter whether or not Mafia got the VT role PM. Knowing Wiggles, they definitely did. I'm not concerned with NoSmurfHere, I'm concerned with mKmKmK.
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I would like to thank my fellow colleague for explaining how the secret method works.
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Yes yes, it was really important for our investigation to head in the right direction.
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I am really glad I can work with you here.
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On June 30 2012 14:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Also, please stop discussing role PMs. The OP clearly states: This is true for all roles. [/b][/blue]
I don't want to discuss NoSmurfHere's wording of the claim; I'm focusing on the fact that he generically claimed Vanilla Townie, and mKmKmK reacting strangely at it ("vague post is vague") is an eye catcher.
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Vivax... I am getting the feeling that you have not read the OP, or most of the thread. That is pretty inexcusable.
Quote from the OP:
Sword Swallower/Fire Breather/Contortionist/Freak/Juggler/Acrobat (Vanilla Townie): You are a Role Name! You're one of the many performers at the circus, but unfortunately you possess no extra powers besides your charms, you brain, and your vote.
And then:
On June 30 2012 14:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Warning to casualman for editing. Next person to edit a post will be modkilled.
Also, please stop discussing role PMs. The OP clearly states:This is true for all roles.
The fact that you want people to rehash information for you points to me to someone deliberately filling the thread with repetition and nonsense, which discourages people from reading it, which decreases their chance of finding scum. I am not going to repeat the multiple cases on BKE scattered throughout the thread. You can read the damned thread yourself, and click on BKE's filter (it is all of 1 page long) and find the offending posts in about 10 seconds flat.
Your unwillingness to do so points to lazy town or noob scum. Your obstinateness is making me lean towards the latter.
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You don't really want me to argue with you about a definition of a noob townie, do you? I believe s0lstice to be a good player, I was in 1 or 2 games with him. I also believe you to be a good player. And that is the whole definition of noob i can give to you, since it's subjective, don't base your claim on something subjective please.
I don't know about casualman, but posting that by him is incredibly cocky. He deserves to be killed whether he's town or not, we don't need townies acting like that, they facilitate work for scum by not playing to win.
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My above last post directed at ShiaoPi's post.
I would also advise town to wonder why acrofales made his first case against the guy suspecting the person he defended just before.
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On July 01 2012 00:48 Vivax wrote:
My above last post directed at ShiaoPi's post.
I would also advise town to wonder why acrofales made his first case against the guy suspecting the person he defended just before.
My first case was on BM
My second case was on BKE
My third case is on you
How hard is it to click on my filter and actually read it instead of posting drivel?!
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