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Nova_Terra
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Velinath
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On March 19 2012 04:15 Nova_Terra wrote: Also i think Velinath is trying to provoke a OMGUS reaction that has sadly been present in my play so far. Which would not look favorably on me. Not sure what he is trying to do with it, still unsure as to his status as town/mafia. Nope, wasn't trying to provoke anything. I was trying to get you to post something of value, which you did. I'll read through things. | ||
Velinath
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Velinath
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I'll make up my mind on whether that's going back on NT or to someone else after I refilter Sev. That said it's 5-3 and the fact that NT wants to no lynch today especially since if both lurkers end up modkilled and flip town + a no lynch = auto scum win (barring a so-far-nonexistent miracle medic save) is scummy to me | ||
Nova_Terra
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Gossemerr
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On March 18 2012 17:48 Nova_Terra wrote: 1. I think that i defended your case decently 2. I hate lurkers ruining the game so damn much 3. town reads: Nova_Terra Janaan, Mementoss null: inferno, kori, veli leaning scum: seviro, gosse Janaan Case NT, I have no idea how Janaan can have a town read. If anything he is null. Read through the filter and you will understand. Janaan has offered basically nothing to the ENTIRE thread that is new and worth reading. So far every vote by him has been following the rest with only a short blurb of an explanation. On March 16 2012 08:23 Janaan wrote: I find it interesting how Eleanthas just now came into the thread and, even with accusations and people voting against him, he still just posted enough to get his vote out for the day and left immediately. No defense, no nothing. It makes him look scummier to me. Since it doesn't look like a Koritora lynch will happen today, Eleanthas looks just as scummy right now, and as a general rule I dislike no lynches when there's a decent vote candidate: ##Unvote: Koritora ##Vote: Eleanthas Moving on, NT and Janaan still appear to agree ALOT. I.E.: Janaan said seviro was scummy a while ago, and never really thinks NT is scum. I had my suspicions that NT, Phagga, and Janaan were linked. With Phagga being hit, maybe they wanted to distance themselves and shut me down. This is completely WIFOM, but just thinking here that it could be entirely possible. On March 15 2012 03:26 Janaan wrote: Nova_Terra, I don't really know what to think about you, to be honest. It seems like you're trying to be active and helpful, but things like your defense of your actions on day 1 being very defensive and emotionally charged don't quite sit right with me. Neutral for the moment. Seviro actually looks a bit scummy to me, not enough to come out with any sort of case on him, but I'm keeping close watch on him. Bits like I already brought up the Koritora thing, which nobody seemed to care about. Ill hide it here if anyone cares to read it again. + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2012 08:36 Gossemerr wrote: There is not much action going on so it is kinda hard to read anyone. Only thing that pops out at me is Janaan talking about the days votes after its already over. Earlier he said he would keep watch on the thread, and koritora posted the no lynch vote only a few minutes after his (Janaan's) last post. Kinda scummy imo to bring this up after the fact. Either way I agree with the analysis, just weird timing. and + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2012 08:27 Gossemerr wrote: Considering this is a newbie game, wouldn't mafia likely to be outspoken and "contributing"? With something to prove? "Hey don't suspect me im contributing" type of deal. I find it hard to believe that a scum would just not post for this long now - certainly with all this pressure; and especially when there are three of them, and are most likely (don't see how they wouldn't be) communicating with each other by some other means to coordinate. To that notion, the play by Janaan is concerning to me. I made a point in an eariler post about the focus he / she put on Kori's vote after the fact, which was kinda late. Now he / she counters almost every point Seviro makes in his / her latest post - seemingly to dismiss or discredit the analysis. Moving on, there is a fishy link between Janaan, Phagga, and Nova_Terra. Nova's behavior has already been discussed so not going to bring that up here, but Phagga has not really has yet to been focused. He /she has yet to really offer any analysis except one post a few hours after the day 2 post, in which he / she focuses only on the people who voted for FirmTofu, and doing so dismisses Janaan rather easily as town. While on the issue of voting, he constantly wants to talk about the people who are lurking, but there is realy nothing to talk about considering that they are lurking.. Seems scummy to me to keep the town going in circles and wasting hours of actual analysis. Of course the lurkers could be mafia, but really nothing new here. Janaan also wants to lynch the lurkers, and easily agrees with Phagga. My money is on Janaan right now unless something else comes up. He is saying just enough to get by, without saying anything really at all. ##Vote: Janaan Finally, in one of my last posts I asked Janaan to please tell us his top two scum suspects. His response to me is apprehensive, as if he does not want to give out any names. Nova is obvious, given the heat on him at the current time. But even here he can't say that Nova is scum with any sort of certainty. The second person he brings up is Kori, who has not said a thing since like day 1. But sorta of counters himself by saying that he wouldn't lynch him. This appears to me as scummy behavior - not wanting to point anyone out. On March 18 2012 04:58 Janaan wrote: My top two scum suspects: I definitely think that it's possible that Nova is scum. It's also possible that he's just playing bad, but sometimes, if a player looks like a scum, and smells like a scum, he just might be a scum. I still think that Koritora looked scummy. If a replacement comes in, I'll be paying very close attention to him. The trouble is, now that we're so close to LYLO, we really can't afford to make a mistake here. Especially with Koritora, my read isn't strong enough to justify lynching him right now. In conclusion, I obviously am still very suspicious of Janaan and Nova. So, I am fine with a lynch of either. In my mind there is just not a strong enough case against Seviro for him to be lynched today. | ||
Nova_Terra
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Seviro
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On March 19 2012 04:14 Nova_Terra wrote: Seviro Seviro starts the game off by posting analysis regarding lynching day 1. He also says that he is 100% against a random lynch. His next post attacks my FOS, but agrees that it is suspicious of cosine. Essentially says that FOS based on 1 post is suspicious but agrees with me that he was suspicious for not posting, which was my entire point in the FOS Then goes on to state that its hard to make a decision due to inactivity, then states that more contribution is needed His next post then states the obvious that cosine is getting more and more suspicious as time passes, more fluff After this he does some more analysis on lynching/vs no lynching. Bringing up more not so important issues. Then he feels the need to clarify his first post to make sure we aren’t thinking that he doesn’t want a lynch day 1 and explains it as him wanting to make sure we discuss it first. Then he agrees with a FirmTofu lynch and notes his own suspicions on him, further adding to the bandwagon. Then adds “helpful” fluff making sure that people vote right. In his next post, he brings up koritora being contradictory, possibly trying to make him seem a bit suspicious. Then expresses sadness at tofu dying, and states finally that we should wait for the mafia kill to get information (leading up to his next post maybe?). + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2012 14:13 Seviro wrote: GG sbrubbles, be sure that we'll avenge your death. At first I was like why kill him, he was not really active, did not really help the town the first day and I didn't see him being a threat for anyone. Now after looking at his filter, his death give me some pointers. First, only 2 post of him contain some sort of analysis/suspicion. + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 10:45 Sbrubbles wrote: Sup guys! My first post in this game, sorry it took so late! It's hard to read someone based on the first half of the first day. On this whole Nova Terra/Cosine discussion, the only thing that stood out to me was Nova Terra's behavior, accusing and pushing on cosine (in a somewhat impatient manner), turning defensive when he's called out on it and then forgiving cosine after his post, seeming willing to go to the next topic. Being overly aggressive is not a usual day 1 mafia trait, but quickly turning defensive if called out some something is. Still, he is being active, so time will tell whether it was just a bit of town inexperience/carelessness or something more. + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 23:29 Sbrubbles wrote: You didn't accuse him? Short of actually voting for the fellow, threatening to vote for someone is as accusatory as it gets: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 01:57 Nova_Terra wrote: Yeah, it was a funny coincedence that he posted that right before i woke up. i also pointed out the post before how the suspicion should also be on me. The thing is though, his post was extremely messed up and seemed very scummy. i definitely think it is worth an FOS seeing as nothing else was happening and i want him to clarify it up. its not like i voted for him yet or anything. On March 12 2012 01:59 Nova_Terra wrote: EBWOP: and if cosine doesnt post and we dont get any other leads i feel that he would be a good lynch candidate. Also, why so angry? Why do you insist (once again) on explaining the motives for your change of atitude? I pointed out that you were quick to turn defensive (or frustrated, as you say) when you were called out on it and it is my opinion that this is suspicious behavior, but that this doesn't matter for now because it is not worth it to push on a talkative (potential) mafia because there will be plenty of time for you to slip up later on if you really are scum. Now your answer is to threaten me, calling me suspicious? Anyway, question here: if the we agree to lynch a lurker, how are we gonna go about it? Bandwagon on the first non-replied accusation? At this point, besides Elean, we can consider a Inferno as a lurker. His post may not be contradictory like Elean (as in, he doesn't call himself worthless and suggests himself to be lynched), but he also hasn't contributed to the thread. Firmtofu looked like he was gonna participate but also hasn't said anything. In both of them, he state his suspicion on the early behaviour of Nova_Terra, maybe he was on something here. So I looked up Nova_Terra's filter and noticed so good thing. + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 14:58 Nova_Terra wrote: What is your point here? I didnt accuse him, i fos'ed him. two co pletely separate things, at least in my eyes. The pyshing on him was wanting him to respond, as was the point of my fos. I also wanted other people, like yourself, to come out of their lurking and post on this. I got frustrated when they started saying Nova_Terra is extremely eager to FoS because i was like... OH Really?!?! and then they went on to use my logic to say that he was suspicious. thats why i was mad. not exactly defensive, but frustrated at the town. Then, cosine posted exactly what i had been looking for, generating intelligent discussion. if by "willing to go onto the next topic" you mean "making new ideas that help the town and dont tunnel one person" i agree. please dont discredit my posting by calling it "inexperience/carelessness or something more" especially when this is your FIRST POST. later on i will come and explain why YOUR post seems suspicious to me. for now, im thinking eleanthas. In this one, he confront Scrubbles after he called him out on his early agressiveness, saying that it was to have some sort of conversatioin going out but also adding that he was frustrated by the town for not agreeing with him. Then he add to not "discredit his post by calling it inexperience/carelessness" where in fact Scrubbles was in fact only giving him some sort of excuse for what he posted earlier. As Scrubbles said, being defensive over such a small thing is suspicious to me. He then end his post on a semi-random call on eleanthas by saying that he is "thinking him". This way of wording it is like he want us to start pressuring eleanthas ourselves without stating it. That one-line call bugs me out a lot. He then tell why he thinks Scrubbles post was suspicous. + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 17:09 Nova_Terra wrote: I just want to point out like posts like this are scummy. Not making any “accusations” or anything. 1. Throws the blame onto others, as if I was the scummy acting one, whereas this was his first post and the point of it was to throw suspicion onto me. 2. Seemingly purposely not understanding my argument to provoke meaningless discussion 3. Discrediting posts by calling it inexperience/carelessness 4. Not wanting to actually point a finger at me or to throw enough blame that anyone would be suspicious. As you can see, these are all things that one may notice when reading a guide as to how scum should play. Why would Scrubbles throw the blame on him when he was not even targetted at all. I mean it's not like Scrubbles was our main target and he wanted to put the spot on another one whereas it is exactly waht Nova_Terra is doing by turning his post against him. He is dodging the fact that Scrubbles want more explanation about his early FOS by implying that there is nothing more to add and that Scrubbles is just wanting to bring up old discussion whereas it was legitimate of him to want some more since he was not convince of his innocence yet. See point 2, that is exactly what Nova do. What he did before on Eleanthas. Also, that was not what Scrubbles was doing he just happen to have come online after the veil of suspicion was lifted on Nova and he just wanted some clarification. So well at this point pretty self-explanatory. Finally I will quote myself. + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2012 08:36 Seviro wrote: Oh god i'm late to the party today, Real life can be a whore I think you would be better voting for a no lynch because voting randomly for someone like this seems a bit scummy in my opinion but i guess you just didn't notice that you could just vote no lynch I think by voting on someone else since Tofu was most likely dead anyways, he wanted to not be associated with his death since he knew he was a townie (if he is a scum of course) and that kind of worked. + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2012 22:48 phagga wrote: So, the bandwagon on FirmTofu was rolling to easy. There was no opposition. As scum profits from mislynches, I am sure we will find at least 1 if not 2 scum on the voters of FirmTofu. Here's the final voting stand on FirmTofu again: FirmTofu (7): phagga, Eleanthas, Janaan, Gossemerr, Mementoss, Seviro, cosine, Janaan: He agrees on FirmTofu, and brings up Koritora as new suspect after the lynch with good reason. Does not look suspicious. Gossemerr: Trying to be active and helpful, lacking some content. Went a bit overboard with the "specific scenario" argument vs Nova_Tera IMO, but I think that's not an issue. Also brought up that noone is defending FirmTofu, although he again was not the first one to do so. I hope to get some analysis from him soon, currently a null read. Mementoss: Very active, posting analysis. Brought up Eleanthas, stated his position on several players. Does not look suspicious. Seviro: another rather active player, although content may be debatable. I hope to get some analysis from him soon, currently a null read. cosine: He speaks out several times vs a lurker lynch on Day1, but then jumps easily on the FirmTofu bandwagon to lynch a lurker. Besides defending himself, he did not add anything substantial. I don't like that. Eleanthas: His posting is still lacking, he actually only reiterated the wordings of others. His only longer post is this one: 1 + 2 Apologizes for not posting earlier, then calls his own first post stupid, although the post itself was not that bad. The fact that he did not post more after this short oneliner was bad. 3 Seviro, Mementoss and Sbrubbles already pointed out the exact same thing. Actually, just take a look at Mementoss phrase: Eleanthas post is the same content with different wording. 4 Was brought up in a similar form by Mementoss. 5 Was brought up by pretty much everyone active in the thread at that time. So, he actually said nothing. The comments on each of his 3 "suspects" are really short and only repeat thoughts brought up by others. For me, he is one of the more suspect persons in the game. ##FoS: Eleanthas in his post Phagga write a global analysis of everyone that vote for the lynch without touching to those who didn't. If I'm correct, that was quite a nice play from Nova. So Nova_Terra I can't wait for your answers. That said, I'm going to bed ##Big FOS:Nova_Terra Seviro constructs a WIFOM case to make me seem suspicious and to mislead us after leading up to it with his “waiting for mafia kill” post. Then he makes sure to note to phagga that he is analyzing, like a “see im doing something useful” gesture. Then he pulls the “Im new that’s why I didn’t know WIFOM was bad” card when his case wasn’t received as well as it could have been. He later states that the case on lurkers is a “hard one” as we cannot tell if they are town or scum. Oh really? Then he agrees that the Im new kind of post isn’t okay. Then he provides a reason for him not voting yet, in essence providing a reason for not pointing a finger yet. Then, suddenly, Seviro uses Backwards WIFOM, suddenly understanding the exact opposite side to the case he had made versus me, and uses it to put down Ele, another townie, as his vote. Then he posts fluff on how he messed up on math. Now he pulls something interesting. He doesn’t want to lynch gossemerr because we would lose a big contributor to the town instead of a lurker, and that if Ele turned scum, Gosse was likely scum. Imagine this from a scum point of view, if Seviro was scum. Seviro could be saying that he wants to lynch a townie instead of his mafia ally, Gossemerr. and not only in a way that excuses him voting for ele, in a way that makes Gosse seem more innocent when Ele flips town. He further defends Gosse moderately in his next post. He defends Gosse voting Janaan even more in the post after that, And then continues to explain why voting janaan could have made sense in his next. And continues to edit his posting on why janaan could be mafia. He then jumps on board the Nova Scummy again train, and shows again his suspicions for me. Enjoy, this is also why I found Gosse leaning scum, partnered to the points in my earlier case that were not based on connections. I was tempted to vote for no lynch, but as I am starting to think that there may be no dt, it would just prolong our doom, I am afraid, and so, I will vote based on this case and my gut feelings. ##Vote: Seviro Wow, that is a good case on me, you literraly just copy pasted almost all my filter and just said what I did in the part you quoted. The only part where you kind of add something is Now he pulls something interesting. He doesn’t want to lynch gossemerr because we would lose a big contributor to the town instead of a lurker, and that if Ele turned scum, Gosse was likely scum. Imagine this from a scum point of view, if Seviro was scum. Seviro could be saying that he wants to lynch a townie instead of his mafia ally, Gossemerr. and not only in a way that excuses him voting for ele, in a way that makes Gosse seem more innocent when Ele flips town. He further defends Gosse moderately in his next post. He defends Gosse voting Janaan even more in the post after that, I will still say it once again, in my eyes, if both were town, Eleanthas was less hurtful to lynch than Gossemer since at least Gosse had done some sort of analysis at this point, not much but more than Ele. Basically, everytime Eleanthas was posting he was answering a question that someone posted like 1 and a half day ago and he was completely ignoring the current conversation. So i'll say it again, Eleanthas was the safest lynch between those two. And then continues to explain why voting janaan could have made sense in his next. And continues to edit his posting on why janaan could be mafia. He then jumps on board the Nova Scummy again train, and shows again his suspicions for me. You were saying that I was wrong to vote on Eleanthas since you said that Gosse was lurking as much as him and that his only case had no back up. I defended Gosse on this point to show you that you were wrong. Other than that, you post while big has nothing in it. You never say why you think this or that is scummy you are just summing up all my posting since the start of the game to put some emphasis on me. I see that as a last resort from a scum that has only few hours to live. Now I am 100% sure, you are a Scum ##Vote: Nova_Terra | ||
Velinath
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Mementoss
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My reasoning is as follows: 1. Both the Sbrubbles and Phagga WIFOM cases lead back to Nova the most. 2. Velinath's case vs Nova, Nova's shaky defense against it. 3. Nova's really terrible case vs Seviro and Seviro's counter case. 4. Goss brings up a good case vs Janaan, giving him ++town in my book at this point. Me thinking he is town makes me believe Nova is scum. Therefore: ##Vote: Nova_Terra | ||
Nova_Terra
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Right now we pretty much need to find a scum to get the ball rolling in the right direction. Finding one scum tonight will give a lot of information, while a no lynch gives none. We can use this to connect and hunt the remaining scum to win the game. If we no-lynch tonight we lose another valuable town analysist and could possibly lose to a modkill as well. Also I doubt we will find any more evidence that will change the current views of the town. Imo the cases against Nova are the best the town has had to go on compared to the previous lynches, which were based on really soft cases, WIFOM, conspiracy connections, and basically were just lynching lurkers. Also I'm starting to doubt if we have any blues, if we do, they have not really contributed anything to the game yet. And yes if both lurkers are town than we are in some serious shit. I think it may be a 1/1 split atm. | ||
Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
having 0 blues would suck majorly. im hoping that after i am lynched ( as seems inevitable at this point) 1 lurker is replaced and one is modkilled and the modkilled one is mafia. best case scenario i guess. DT, if you exist, now would be a damn good time for you to show up. | ||
Gossemerr
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Janaan
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GMarshal
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GMarshal
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Endgame Once again the brave men of the base had reached a decision. This time it was Nova_Terra who stoically faced down the cannon of a gun. As he protested his innocence, the grim faced firing squad took aim, and fired. As the smoke stood suspended in the silence after the gunfire, Nova_Terra staggered backwards, clutching his chest as he crumbled blood seeping out from between his fingers that clung tightly to the wound. In another part of the vault, koritora had already reached a decision. In the sinister echoing silence of the deserted cafeteria his corpse swung, pushed by the breeze of the ventilators. His suicide had been most unpleasant, the rope hanging from the rafters had failed to snap his neck, leaving him to slowly asphyxiate, from the corner of his mouth blood trickled, his face frozen in a grimace of agony, three words carved on the table beside him. "Joining my family." Deep in the armory another grizzly sight would have greeted anyone venturing in. Against the far wall lay a sprawled corpse, InfernOokami7 had found his fate. A stolen and jury rigged alien pistol had been his arbiter, its single plasma shot had been enough to fully remove his head. The plasma coils were still steaming in the blood when Nova_Terra learned of the cruel bite of bullets. The room fell silent as Nova_Terra fell to the ground. This was it, it was the end. The five remaining men looked at each other. Gossemerr was the first to reach for his knife, he may have just emptied his gun, but he'd be damned if he was going down quietly. He was too slow. Before he could do more than get it out, Velinath was already behind him. "Goodbye" Velinath chuckled, driving a blade through Gossemerr's neck in a spray of arterial blood. Seviro did not wait to see what was going to happen to Gossemerr, he was already sprinting towards the door as he tried to reload the handgun, but he found his way barred by Janaan and Mementoss. "Going somewhere" Janaan asked mockingly. Seviro's curse was cut off mid expeltive by a sharp jab, the last thing he would see was his own guts flowing out of him. The three aliens regained their true forms and looked at one another. They spoke in their weird chirping tongue, and seeming to reach an agreement, unsealed the vault and left as quietly as they had arrived. Three days later the aliens left the planet, and put it to the flame with orbital strikes. All life was wiped from the earth. The aliens had found what they wanted, and no longer needed us. Mankind's story ended before it had really begun. The End Nova_Terra the Vanilla Townie has been executed Gossemerr the Vanilla Townie has been cut down in the endgame Seviro the Vanilla Townie has met his end in the endgame koritora the Vanilla Townie has been modkilled, shame on him InfernOokami7the Vigilante has been modkilled. He is dishonored. Mementoss the Mafia Goon has led the slaughter and won, being awarded the highest decorations Janaan the Mafia Goon has been promoted to Executor for destroying the last hope of mankind Velinath the Mafia Goon has exterminated another race and been made Cabal Leader for his actions. Flawless Mafia Victory! Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/fuJNcarFdF7Z9 Obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/rDquHFtkZ7u Setup: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjLxKJpmCjgDdEJqbDZsZkdOUmFnd2ZKNk9TS19XTUE | ||
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