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tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
August 13 2011 21:24 GMT
#321
The alternative is of course that BM is village idiot and just has to get lynched, while jackie has to push for the lynch. Kurumi certainly hasn't gone out of his way to hide his role.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 13 2011 21:25 GMT
#322
On August 14 2011 06:24 tnkted wrote:
The alternative is of course that BM is village idiot and just has to get lynched, while jackie has to push for the lynch. Kurumi certainly hasn't gone out of his way to hide his role.

a)
I am not Village Idiot, Mafia or any 3rd party You can imagine
b)
I am town
c)
I don't need to push for L's lynch. I have a note about him trying to kill me though.
d)
I want to get killed so You stop arguing over useless crap
e)
Palmar is cutie
f)
flamewheel is always town
g)
e and f are here because I am bored
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
August 13 2011 21:28 GMT
#323
Has anyone else noticed that there is a seeming mass of people (Including many vets) who have not posted or contributed yet? It seems like it's the same, maybe 8 people actually discussing things right now.

List:

Dr. H
Node
~OpZ~
Misder
Barundar
Flamewheel
meapak_ziphh
youngminii
Scamp
RebirthOfLeGenD
Fishball (No posts)
Aidnai (No posts)

(I left out BC and Chezinu, because they mentioned they were going out)

Then there's guys like Foolishness, who only have troll posts.

It's a 32 player game, and 15 people have no actual game posts, with day being half over in 6 hours or so.

Where'd everyone go? =l
you gotta dance
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 13 2011 21:28 GMT
#324
On August 14 2011 06:19 Curu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 06:00 Palmar wrote:
On August 14 2011 05:57 Curu wrote:
On August 14 2011 05:55 Palmar wrote:
On August 14 2011 05:53 Curu wrote:
So if Kurumi is scum what alignment is Jackal?


I have no idea. I don't think roles determine alignment, as in, I think the worst possible thing we could do is to mass-claim and lynch whoever claims someone who is famous for being scum.


I know that but I can't wrap my head around a Town Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi. Or a scum Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi.


two things, according to jackal he just has to push for the lynch, it's not a part of his win condition, so again, I don't think it's something we need to worry about.

the weird bit is that jackal is technically enforcing the restriction on himself, Kurumi still argues he's not BM, and there has been presented evidence he might be someone else. Jackal could choose to believe that and stop the bullshit. the fact that he has not done so and instead chooses to hide behind the restriction is kind of... iffy.


Giving someone the role of "tunnel this scum" seems like such a huge disadvantage for the scum team and counter-intuitive though.

Kurumi could have spammed his entire way through the game and I would have just assumed it was Kurumi being Kurumi. He had no compelling reason to post his personality name and mine in his first post of the game. If he is indeed scum that's his fault for outing himself with his first post. I could have ignored it but if you go and read the L and BM sections of the Mafia Quiz like I did you may also get the impression that Kurumi can kill me tonight. I am mentioned in his role PM apparently. So ya I have a compelling reason to want him dead.
Coupled with Kenpachi's timing of his DT claim and who he claimed to have checked I am strongly beginning to believe that they are both scum.
Life can only kill you once.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 13 2011 21:30 GMT
#325
On August 14 2011 06:28 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 06:19 Curu wrote:
On August 14 2011 06:00 Palmar wrote:
On August 14 2011 05:57 Curu wrote:
On August 14 2011 05:55 Palmar wrote:
On August 14 2011 05:53 Curu wrote:
So if Kurumi is scum what alignment is Jackal?


I have no idea. I don't think roles determine alignment, as in, I think the worst possible thing we could do is to mass-claim and lynch whoever claims someone who is famous for being scum.


I know that but I can't wrap my head around a Town Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi. Or a scum Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi.


two things, according to jackal he just has to push for the lynch, it's not a part of his win condition, so again, I don't think it's something we need to worry about.

the weird bit is that jackal is technically enforcing the restriction on himself, Kurumi still argues he's not BM, and there has been presented evidence he might be someone else. Jackal could choose to believe that and stop the bullshit. the fact that he has not done so and instead chooses to hide behind the restriction is kind of... iffy.


Giving someone the role of "tunnel this scum" seems like such a huge disadvantage for the scum team and counter-intuitive though.

Kurumi could have spammed his entire way through the game and I would have just assumed it was Kurumi being Kurumi. He had no compelling reason to post his personality name and mine in his first post of the game. If he is indeed scum that's his fault for outing himself with his first post. I could have ignored it but if you go and read the L and BM sections of the Mafia Quiz like I did you may also get the impression that Kurumi can kill me tonight. I am mentioned in his role PM apparently. So ya I have a compelling reason to want him dead.
Coupled with Kenpachi's timing of his DT claim and who he claimed to have checked I am strongly beginning to believe that they are both scum.

so You want to kill me because You're scared about Your life?
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 13 2011 21:31 GMT
#326
to clarify:
I have no KP
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 13 2011 21:35 GMT
#327
On August 14 2011 06:30 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 06:28 Jackal58 wrote:
On August 14 2011 06:19 Curu wrote:
On August 14 2011 06:00 Palmar wrote:
On August 14 2011 05:57 Curu wrote:
On August 14 2011 05:55 Palmar wrote:
On August 14 2011 05:53 Curu wrote:
So if Kurumi is scum what alignment is Jackal?


I have no idea. I don't think roles determine alignment, as in, I think the worst possible thing we could do is to mass-claim and lynch whoever claims someone who is famous for being scum.


I know that but I can't wrap my head around a Town Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi. Or a scum Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi.


two things, according to jackal he just has to push for the lynch, it's not a part of his win condition, so again, I don't think it's something we need to worry about.

the weird bit is that jackal is technically enforcing the restriction on himself, Kurumi still argues he's not BM, and there has been presented evidence he might be someone else. Jackal could choose to believe that and stop the bullshit. the fact that he has not done so and instead chooses to hide behind the restriction is kind of... iffy.


Giving someone the role of "tunnel this scum" seems like such a huge disadvantage for the scum team and counter-intuitive though.

Kurumi could have spammed his entire way through the game and I would have just assumed it was Kurumi being Kurumi. He had no compelling reason to post his personality name and mine in his first post of the game. If he is indeed scum that's his fault for outing himself with his first post. I could have ignored it but if you go and read the L and BM sections of the Mafia Quiz like I did you may also get the impression that Kurumi can kill me tonight. I am mentioned in his role PM apparently. So ya I have a compelling reason to want him dead.
Coupled with Kenpachi's timing of his DT claim and who he claimed to have checked I am strongly beginning to believe that they are both scum.

so You want to kill me because You're scared about Your life?

I want to kill you because you are BM and I am L.
It's my life's work to kill you.

Have you read the Mafia quiz where the personality traits are lifted from? If not I suggest you do so.
Jackal58 does not want to kill you nearly as much as L does. Don't take it personally.
Life can only kill you once.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
August 13 2011 21:36 GMT
#328
Jackal and Kurumi are boring me. Wiggles is right...let's start fishing for activity from the inactives.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 13 2011 21:36 GMT
#329
On August 14 2011 06:35 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 06:30 Kurumi wrote:
On August 14 2011 06:28 Jackal58 wrote:
On August 14 2011 06:19 Curu wrote:
On August 14 2011 06:00 Palmar wrote:
On August 14 2011 05:57 Curu wrote:
On August 14 2011 05:55 Palmar wrote:
On August 14 2011 05:53 Curu wrote:
So if Kurumi is scum what alignment is Jackal?


I have no idea. I don't think roles determine alignment, as in, I think the worst possible thing we could do is to mass-claim and lynch whoever claims someone who is famous for being scum.


I know that but I can't wrap my head around a Town Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi. Or a scum Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi.


two things, according to jackal he just has to push for the lynch, it's not a part of his win condition, so again, I don't think it's something we need to worry about.

the weird bit is that jackal is technically enforcing the restriction on himself, Kurumi still argues he's not BM, and there has been presented evidence he might be someone else. Jackal could choose to believe that and stop the bullshit. the fact that he has not done so and instead chooses to hide behind the restriction is kind of... iffy.


Giving someone the role of "tunnel this scum" seems like such a huge disadvantage for the scum team and counter-intuitive though.

Kurumi could have spammed his entire way through the game and I would have just assumed it was Kurumi being Kurumi. He had no compelling reason to post his personality name and mine in his first post of the game. If he is indeed scum that's his fault for outing himself with his first post. I could have ignored it but if you go and read the L and BM sections of the Mafia Quiz like I did you may also get the impression that Kurumi can kill me tonight. I am mentioned in his role PM apparently. So ya I have a compelling reason to want him dead.
Coupled with Kenpachi's timing of his DT claim and who he claimed to have checked I am strongly beginning to believe that they are both scum.

so You want to kill me because You're scared about Your life?

I want to kill you because you are BM and I am L.
It's my life's work to kill you.

Have you read the Mafia quiz where the personality traits are lifted from? If not I suggest you do so.
Jackal58 does not want to kill you nearly as much as L does. Don't take it personally.

You contradict Yourself
"I don't need to lynch/kill You as my win con but I must do it."
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
August 13 2011 21:40 GMT
#330
On August 14 2011 06:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that there is a seeming mass of people (Including many vets) who have not posted or contributed yet? It seems like it's the same, maybe 8 people actually discussing things right now.

List:

Dr. H
Node
~OpZ~
Misder
Barundar
Flamewheel
meapak_ziphh
youngminii
Scamp
RebirthOfLeGenD
Fishball (No posts)
Aidnai (No posts)

(I left out BC and Chezinu, because they mentioned they were going out)

Then there's guys like Foolishness, who only have troll posts.

It's a 32 player game, and 15 people have no actual game posts, with day being half over in 6 hours or so.

Where'd everyone go? =l

Hark! Do point out where I have made a troll post if you dare! A nice bluff you seek here, perhaps you wish me dead so that your mafia team can rest easy once I have departed. Or is it that you fail to read between the lines? I assure you that I am very serious about my campaign platform, and I do not enjoy those that seek to erect brick walls in my path. For that is the mafia ploy: building walls in front of the townies. But I will not have any of it! I will take my bulldozer and plow right through all your walls. And by the end it is you that will be lying crumpled beneath the heap of bricks, where not even your fellow mafia dare dig to recover your rotten flesh.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
August 13 2011 21:41 GMT
#331
It was all coming to plan.

Pandain couldn't remove people from the game. He was only an imitation of Qatol, a fake. But a very good fake. He could make people hate the game. Become just regular people. Become....

non spammers.

#Ban Kurumi
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 13 2011 21:56 GMT
#332
[image loading]

The Mafia Revolution
Things will never be the same


Ladies and gentlemen, I present you a plan that will change the face of mafia as we know it. It is a foolproof strategy that is guaranteed to revolutionize the game. Mafia, at its roots, is a game of information. The sole advantage given to the scum team is information. I plan to change that. The town wants results and my track record should convince you of my vision.

Lets be honest, how many of you guys reread the entire thread, multiple times per game? Connections that are made day one are lost in the chaos of an unorganized thread. From now on, players shall be responsible for their actions.

[image loading]
Even the Revolutionist himself can't believe what he sees


Part 1: Extracting information

What is the most difficult part of the game of mafia? It's the battle for information. The scum team know the alignment of all players in the thread. It's time to use their own knowledge against them. At the end of each cycle, players shall be required to submit a self-evaluation.

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Lurkers and sheep beware. You're going to tell us what you think, whether you like it or not. The following pieces are information shall be required from each player:

1) Their thought process behind the lynch.
-Why did they vote the way they did and what connections can they draw from the flip?
2) Their game plan
-How have they actively contributed to the game? For example, when I fill this part out, I plan to explain to town how I have single-handedly hunted down the entire scum team.
-What should be the town objective moving forward?
3) Conclusions
-Who is most likely scum and why?

[image loading]


Part 2: Data management


In addition to self-evaluations, we need to develop infrastructure to organize what information we already have. Introducing the Mafia Report Card:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?pli=1&key=0At4exhFEevFSdHVOc3lLQmJsUGQyUWt1NUVUVHl3cVE&hl=en_US#gid=0

The Mafia Report Card is a database of all the information gathered in the thread, as well as an indicator for where each player stands. Everyone is encouraged to contributed. Failure to do so shall show your clear disregard for the town's well-being. No doubt some shall attempt to paint this plan in a bad light, calling it a distraction of town. In reality, they only seek to limit the information we have at our disposal.

How do I contribute, you ask? It's so simple, even Kenpachi can do it! All that you have to do is update the appropriate cell with game relevant information and assign a point value for their action. All scummy actions reward negative points, while pro-town moves should be assigned positive points. Don't forget to to update their current score in the left-most column! I've provided the following reference for point values. The point value for anything not listed should be chosen using ones best judgment.

Report Card Reference:
Role claim scum: -100
Role claim Chezinu: -50
Invent a false post restriction: -20
Caught lying: -10
Attempt to discredit the mafia revolution: -7
Attempt to contribute, without contributing: -5
Push a lynch on a flipped town: -3
Call Kita scummy: -3
Fail to complete your daily self-analysis: -2
Role fish: -2
Lurk: -1
Spam: -1

Complete your daily self-analysis: +2
Provide an analysis of a player: +3
Push a lynch on a flipped scum: +5
Role claim as the Batman: +10
Lynch Kavdragon: +25
Lead a mafia revolution: +100


To give us a good starting point, I've assigned each player a grade, based on their abilities and value to the game:

LSB -20
BloodyC0bbler -25
Pandain -20
Youngminii -5
Kavdragon -20
Meapak_Ziphh +13
Flamewheel +15
Mig +8
Kurumi -11
Deconduo +7
Barundar +4
Palmar -3
Misder -4
Mr. Wiggles +5
VisceraEyes -2
Chezinu -10
bumatlarge +13
Tnkted -0
~OpZ~ -6
Kenpachi -10
Kitaman27 +25
Sandroba +14
Node +14
Fishball +12
Jackal58 +5
syllogism +1
Curu +6
DoctorHelvetica +10
Foolishness +24
Aidnai -4
RebirthOfLeGenD -9
Scamp +3

As each cycle approaches the end, players should reference the report card and strongly consider basing their lynch decision on the scores of each player. No longer shall we allow trolls, spammers, lurkers, and players that decide to put little effort in achieving town victory. This is a historic moment for all of teamliquid mafia. Now who shall join me?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
August 13 2011 21:57 GMT
#333
?!
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 13 2011 21:59 GMT
#334
Sorry Pandain I ain't buying what you're selling.
On August 14 2011 06:36 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 06:35 Jackal58 wrote:
On August 14 2011 06:30 Kurumi wrote:
On August 14 2011 06:28 Jackal58 wrote:
On August 14 2011 06:19 Curu wrote:
On August 14 2011 06:00 Palmar wrote:
On August 14 2011 05:57 Curu wrote:
On August 14 2011 05:55 Palmar wrote:
On August 14 2011 05:53 Curu wrote:
So if Kurumi is scum what alignment is Jackal?


I have no idea. I don't think roles determine alignment, as in, I think the worst possible thing we could do is to mass-claim and lynch whoever claims someone who is famous for being scum.


I know that but I can't wrap my head around a Town Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi. Or a scum Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi.


two things, according to jackal he just has to push for the lynch, it's not a part of his win condition, so again, I don't think it's something we need to worry about.

the weird bit is that jackal is technically enforcing the restriction on himself, Kurumi still argues he's not BM, and there has been presented evidence he might be someone else. Jackal could choose to believe that and stop the bullshit. the fact that he has not done so and instead chooses to hide behind the restriction is kind of... iffy.


Giving someone the role of "tunnel this scum" seems like such a huge disadvantage for the scum team and counter-intuitive though.

Kurumi could have spammed his entire way through the game and I would have just assumed it was Kurumi being Kurumi. He had no compelling reason to post his personality name and mine in his first post of the game. If he is indeed scum that's his fault for outing himself with his first post. I could have ignored it but if you go and read the L and BM sections of the Mafia Quiz like I did you may also get the impression that Kurumi can kill me tonight. I am mentioned in his role PM apparently. So ya I have a compelling reason to want him dead.
Coupled with Kenpachi's timing of his DT claim and who he claimed to have checked I am strongly beginning to believe that they are both scum.

so You want to kill me because You're scared about Your life?

I want to kill you because you are BM and I am L.
It's my life's work to kill you.

Have you read the Mafia quiz where the personality traits are lifted from? If not I suggest you do so.
Jackal58 does not want to kill you nearly as much as L does. Don't take it personally.

You contradict Yourself
"I don't need to lynch/kill You as my win con but I must do it."

Ah you're either dense or you are truly scum. I am required to push for your death. I stated so up front. But you either do not understand that part or you are worried about your name being brought up every time I post. A townie would have understood my compulsion as many others in this game have. A townie would have ignored me. But first you lied. Then you began to attack me. After I explained my reasons. You could have let it go but you chose not to. You have called me a liar. You have called me scum. You have attempted to discredit me in every way possible. Even when I again tell you that I'm playing L. I'm scum or a liar. You sir are most likely scum. I give you reasons for my behavior and I even tell you that I (Jackal58) had no real compelling reason for you to die. Yet you persist. You could have just continued playing Pokemon and ignored me. I would have been ok with that. I would have been fucking obnoxious to everyone but I would have been ok with that. But you chose not to do that. You are scum sir. (Jackal58's belief)


And wtf Kita?
Life can only kill you once.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
August 13 2011 21:59 GMT
#335
Let the town here be aware: I am the Batman
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 13 2011 22:01 GMT
#336
Hi Bum
Life can only kill you once.
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
August 13 2011 22:01 GMT
#337
the ?? was directed at pandain.

I know you're probably kidding Kita, but I actually don't mind the report card idea. The self-evaluation seems a bit stupid (seems like it will inspire more arguements than it will solve) but the report card is actually legit. Heres a question though: Who decides grades? I certainly don't trust you to do so, I have no idea if you're scum or not. Things like 'attempt to contribute without contributing' could easily be argued.

Also the names are missing from the document, it just has the scores.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 13 2011 22:01 GMT
#338
[image loading]
wat
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 13 2011 22:04 GMT
#339
On August 14 2011 07:01 tnkted wrote:
the ?? was directed at pandain.

I know you're probably kidding Kita, but I actually don't mind the report card idea. The self-evaluation seems a bit stupid (seems like it will inspire more arguements than it will solve) but the report card is actually legit. Heres a question though: Who decides grades? I certainly don't trust you to do so, I have no idea if you're scum or not. Things like 'attempt to contribute without contributing' could easily be argued.

Also the names are missing from the document, it just has the scores.


Welcome my fellow revolutionary! For glory!

It appears someone has already attempted to sabotage the document by removing the names. Clearly the mafia is aware of how dangerous this plan is to them. Is there any way to see the edit history?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 13 2011 22:06 GMT
#340
On August 14 2011 07:01 tnkted wrote:
the ?? was directed at pandain.

I know you're probably kidding Kita, but I actually don't mind the report card idea. The self-evaluation seems a bit stupid (seems like it will inspire more arguements than it will solve) but the report card is actually legit. Heres a question though: Who decides grades? I certainly don't trust you to do so, I have no idea if you're scum or not. Things like 'attempt to contribute without contributing' could easily be argued.

Also the names are missing from the document, it just has the scores.

If you're asking me I just told Pandain I simple said I'm not believing him.
Rest of my post was at Kurumi.

And Curu that's scummy as fuck.
Life can only kill you once.
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