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LaXerCannon
Canada558 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On July 18 2010 08:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: RNG lynch is dumb because you have more of a chance to land on a townie, and then he could be a helpful townie. if we lynch an inactive we're killing someone who probably would not have helped us anyway however, i don't want to lynch someone that would just get modkilled since that's obviously a waste. Bill, how many votes can someone miss before they get zapped? one missed vote On July 18 2010 08:10 Hyperbola wrote: Hello my fellow Liquadians. I am here and active. Sup. Just posting here not to get killed. Btw SiNiquity is mafia because his last post is just way too long. #### I vote SiNiquity please refrain from editing posts in the future | ||
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LaXerCannon
Canada558 Posts
On July 18 2010 09:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: If we randomly pick someone, we have a better chance of getting a blue then a red. Why don't we try voting for who we think is red? It's not like the game will automatically get easier for us as it goes on, since there aren't any clues. Also, at this point everyone's votes are spread out so we are nearly guaranteed an innocent lynch. Getting everyone to agree to vote for the random could be awfully tough. IF we wanted to do the random thing, we could tie it in advance to something numerical in one or both of the playoff games tonight. Like number of factories made by WeMade players, or that number divided by two, or taking the number of letters in each winning player's ID and looping back to 1 if it goes over 30. It wouldn't be random, but we could independently agree on it, and none of us could influence it in advance. We don't know the distribution of red/blue/green in the list so it is almost as good as random unless the reds get us to agree on a bad number (like maybe they get us to agree on something times 2, which would never land on the first person on the list). We can take this step further by listing inactives in reverse order and numbering them from 1-X, use a number we obtain from the second paragraph and count through the list, looping when needed. I'm getting carried away here... I think lynching an inactive player is the best course of action. I also think we should get a list of players who are new to this mafia game so we know who they are. A new player who's scum can easily hide under that mask; I think it's best we can monitor them from the get go. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
1] Amber[LighT] (jayme), 1] d3_crescentia (darthThienAn), 1] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia) 1] Pyrruloxia (youngminii) 1] citi.zen (rastaban) 1] chaoser (~opz~) 1] Divinek (bumatlarge) 1] BloodyC0bbler (pandain) 1] SiNiquity (Hyperbola) 1] abstain (BloodyC0bbler) not voting and in risk of modkill: 20 people | ||
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LaXerCannon
Canada558 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
1] Amber[LighT] (jayme), 1] d3_crescentia (darthThienAn), 1] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia) 1] Pyrruloxia (youngminii) 1] citi.zen (rastaban) 1] chaoser (~opz~) 1] Divinek (bumatlarge) 1] BloodyC0bbler (pandain) 1] SiNiquity (Hyperbola) 2] abstain (BloodyC0bbler, LaXerCannon) not voting and in risk of modkill: 19 people | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On July 18 2010 05:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Secondly, we should set up potential lists of people to watch out for until they can be confirmed. I would start with BloodyC0bbler Foolishness DTA YoungMirii Citizen I believe us 5 should be under the most scrutiny at the beginning of this game. What, why am I included in a scum list  Anyways, I've been spamming Starcraft 2 all night and I'm dead tired but since we haven't really moved out of RVS it looks like I haven't missed out on much. I have a question for BM. What happens if everyone votes to abstain? If the answer is a no lynch, then I suggest everyone change their votes to abstain for the first day. A no lynch (in my experience) on the first day is generally beneficial to town in a standard-ish setup. We'll also get all the modkills out of the way which will narrow down the list of potential scum. I especially do not want to accidentally go and lynch a blue role, that'd be horrible. In fact, I have another question (I may have just missed this in the OP), are roles flipped upon death? I'd assume so but I just want to make sure. Just for some pre-emptive planning for the night: DTs check 'good' players, especially players that are unlikely to go inactive. Medics should protect whoever they want, generally you'd want to protect the person that seems the most towny and frequently posts. Of course, if you feel that you should be doing something else, you should trust your instincts. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On July 18 2010 09:48 youngminii wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2010 05:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Secondly, we should set up potential lists of people to watch out for until they can be confirmed. I would start with BloodyC0bbler Foolishness DTA YoungMirii Citizen I believe us 5 should be under the most scrutiny at the beginning of this game. What, why am I included in a scum list Anyways, I've been spamming Starcraft 2 all night and I'm dead tired but since we haven't really moved out of RVS it looks like I haven't missed out on much. I have a question for BM. What happens if everyone votes to abstain? If the answer is a no lynch, then I suggest everyone change their votes to abstain for the first day. A no lynch (in my experience) on the first day is generally beneficial to town in a standard-ish setup. We'll also get all the modkills out of the way which will narrow down the list of potential scum. I especially do not want to accidentally go and lynch a blue role, that'd be horrible. In fact, I have another question (I may have just missed this in the OP), are roles flipped upon death? I'd assume so but I just want to make sure. Just for some pre-emptive planning for the night: DTs check 'good' players, especially players that are unlikely to go inactive. Medics should protect whoever they want, generally you'd want to protect the person that seems the most towny and frequently posts. Of course, if you feel that you should be doing something else, you should trust your instincts. Okay so I just read the OP and I didn't notice the part about 2 of each blue role before. In light of the new (for me anyway) information, I suggest this modified plan. Since there's always the possibility of medics and DTs overlapping, I suggest blues follow a more strategical form of play. Here is the list of players numbered: + Show Spoiler + 1. tree.hugger 2. brownbear 3. youngminii 4. foolishness 5. chaoser 6. divinek 7. xelin 8. hyperbola 9. SiNiquity 10. lakrismamma 11. rastaban 12. bumatlarge 13. Amber[LighT] 14. SouthRawrea 15. pandain 16. ~OpZ~ 17. Infundibulum 18. Jayme 19. Subversion 20. LaxerCannon 21. DARTH THIEN AN 22. BloodyC0bbler 23. d3_crescentia 24. Misder 25. Citi.zen 26. Pyrrholuxia 27. Tricode 28. zeks 29. ketomai 30. roffles All DTs should investigate the player directly under them and then move down one player each night. If #30 (roffles) is a DT, he would check #1 (tree.hugger). I would suggest medics do the same but I believe medics would be better playing by their own instincts even if there is that small chance they'll overlap. Keep in mind I'm only suggesting this for night 1, and should there be a need to investigate someone in particular, we'll discuss that when the time comes. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote: EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen! Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'. ##Unvote Pyrr ##Vote Abstain | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On July 18 2010 08:10 Hyperbola wrote: Hello my fellow Liquadians. I am here and active. Sup. Just posting here not to get killed. Btw SiNiquity is mafia because his last post is just way too long. #### I vote SiNiquity :rolleyes: inactive jumps into the game [after a mafia PM'd him to start posting and get off the inactive list, mm?], says nothing, and votes to kill a contributor. On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote: Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'. ##Unvote Pyrr ##Vote Abstain I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no? | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
Oh hell no absolutely not. I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing. No lynch is a terrible idea. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote: :rolleyes: inactive jumps into the game [after a mafia PM'd him to start posting and get off the inactive list, mm?], says nothing, and votes to kill a contributor. I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no? seeing as we're going on no information the odds arent in towns favour to hit a random person without any information to back that hit. The reds are going to kill 2 town anyways, might as well not give them good odds of getting another one for free. ##vote abstain | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
Just doing this if I don't make it tomorrow to vote. My dad is spending his last full day at home before he has to leave for a few months for work. Other then that, I do suggest we lynch an inactive. 1.if we keep abstaining cause we are always uncertain of what to do, we will never push to killing and finding a mafia member if we went at that rate. 2. That person who is being inactive is probably useless to us anyways just because they are not doing anything to participate. 3. One of the inactive are likely to be mafia just because there is usually one or two guys that are inactive or just post a little bit just so they can stay alive. Either case, we won't accomplish anything by abstaining, it might even hurt us cause if we keep the option in our head we might use it to much in fear of constantly killing townies/blues and such. So I suggest try keeping abstains as placeholders or if you are truly uncertain in what to do. Otherwise I encourage and highly suggest that we always use our lynches. | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On July 18 2010 10:30 Tricode wrote: ##vote abstain Just doing this if I don't make it tomorrow to vote. My dad is spending his last full day at home before he has to leave for a few months for work. Other then that, I do suggest we lynch an inactive. 1.if we keep abstaining cause we are always uncertain of what to do, we will never push to killing and finding a mafia member if we went at that rate. 2. That person who is being inactive is probably useless to us anyways just because they are not doing anything to participate. 3. One of the inactive are likely to be mafia just because there is usually one or two guys that are inactive or just post a little bit just so they can stay alive. Either case, we won't accomplish anything by abstaining, it might even hurt us cause if we keep the option in our head we might use it to much in fear of constantly killing townies/blues and such. So I suggest try keeping abstains as placeholders or if you are truly uncertain in what to do. Otherwise I encourage and highly suggest that we always use our lynches. Agreed. The only thing we can gain from this postponement is additional detective checks, and that's at the cost of 2 mafia hits on us. There's no other information that can be gleaned by waiting. There aren't clues. If I'm missing something then lay it out there. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote: I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no? On July 18 2010 10:16 Jayme wrote: No-Lynch? Oh hell no absolutely not. I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing. No lynch is a terrible idea. If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS. | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
On July 18 2010 08:10 Hyperbola wrote: Hello my fellow Liquadians. I am here and active. Sup. Just posting here not to get killed. Btw SiNiquity is mafia because his last post is just way too long. #### I vote SiNiquity Sketchy to me. He says hes active, but says he only posted because he does want to be killed. And hyperbola's reason to lynch SiNiquity is horrible lol. I was actually going to abstain, but hyperbola's post annoyed me lol. | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
On July 18 2010 10:30 Tricode wrote: ##vote abstain Just doing this if I don't make it tomorrow to vote. My dad is spending his last full day at home before he has to leave for a few months for work. Other then that, I do suggest we lynch an inactive. 1.if we keep abstaining cause we are always uncertain of what to do, we will never push to killing and finding a mafia member if we went at that rate. 2. That person who is being inactive is probably useless to us anyways just because they are not doing anything to participate. 3. One of the inactive are likely to be mafia just because there is usually one or two guys that are inactive or just post a little bit just so they can stay alive. Either case, we won't accomplish anything by abstaining, it might even hurt us cause if we keep the option in our head we might use it to much in fear of constantly killing townies/blues and such. So I suggest try keeping abstains as placeholders or if you are truly uncertain in what to do. Otherwise I encourage and highly suggest that we always use our lynches. Yeah I think we should lynch, just because isn't the mafia going to kill one of us by the next day? Then again, I'd feel horrible if I lynched a good person. I might abstain, but I'll have to see both sides first. I'll decide later. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
My goal is to maximize the number of deaths at the end of Day 1. Therefore, we should lynch someone who has voted. | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote: If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS. Keep using that reasoning through the whole game. Mind you that there are clever players and mafia will always try to manipulate the game by lying. Add to the equation everyone's fear of being lynched. Then add the fact we have no clues. Mafia don't have to really say anything. You would have to leave the game to a dt (if they find someone and if they come out) to tell you who is red. Then add the fact if that DT is really a dt. But like i said, try using your reasoning through out the whole game if we just kept abstaining cause we aren't sure all the time. | ||
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