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On September 25 2013 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
Hey Firm.
Here's a few names
Umasi
Zaragron (i know you've talked about him before today)
justanothertownie
kush
Who's scummiest out of this lot and why? Do you think there are mafia in this list, if so how many?
This is what I got through skimming since I'm catching up and posting on short notice:
JAT fluffs like a mofo, Zaragon seems to be shoving all his fluff and I guess consolidating it? Both are generally blending in well and not taking the thread anywhere.
FT made a pretty bad case on Zaragon so maybe that's why I'm having trouble seeing the red and green features. But I don't like either one. JAT is consistently doing nothing while Zaragon has disappeared. Maybe slightly redder JAT.
Umasi's getting better. He's at least trying to contribute to the thread in a good way now and actively discussing.
Kush... I never have any idea wtf kush is doing. With mattchew I've seen him make sense before, kush has pretty much been this way in every game I remember. Including smurf. He's stopped making the modicum of sense he was at the beginning of D1 (the thread police stage), so I have nothing.
I'd say out of these four I would go after JAT first.
I'm going to go look at Mattchew, I haven't looked at him since I brought up his weird pseudo-doc claim thingy
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EBWOP That is to say I will look at him when I wake up, currently I'm going to bed.
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On September 25 2013 11:17 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 10:58 Risen wrote:On September 25 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote:
Risen.
Do u have a reason to call me scum, other than a supposed scum slip....
P.s. no goons in this game Ok? And I don't like where you led discussion to. As in mattchew? I was asked to look into him. Anything else of issue?
Not anything that the thread would like coming from me, so no.
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On September 25 2013 11:34 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 11:17 Mocsta wrote:On September 25 2013 10:58 Risen wrote:On September 25 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote:
Risen.
Do u have a reason to call me scum, other than a supposed scum slip....
P.s. no goons in this game Ok? And I don't like where you led discussion to. As in mattchew? I was asked to look into him. Anything else of issue? Not anything that the thread would like coming from me, so no.
Ma ma ma mate.... Don't be like that
If u concerned about me. I'm all ears to hear about it.
And it will help me get a better read on u and vice versa.
P.s. I only played with u in got, but u seemed a lot more crazy that game. Any reason u feel toned down?
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1: DarthPunk/sb-
town because dp being a little bitch about people calling him scum and then replacing out because of it means he is extremely likely to be town. Plus he was pretty active and in the spotlight day one anyways.
2: raynpelikoneet-
town his most recent push on firm while misguides seemed legit at least and looked like he was at least trying to figure out alignments and overall good activity and seems to have been one of the major players. He is good as scum but i think he has been legit and real in his posts.
5: yamato77-
town he just is plus he got protected and he wouldnt lie about that. Also was active before that
6: kushm4sta-
dont know. Rember the days when he used to be meiocore at this game. Now it seems like he spends his time just bithcing and moaning.
8: ObviousOne-
annoying but seems to have a matter fact way of not wanting to explain himself. bad but likely town.
10: FirmTofu-
Town This kid is town he has explained himself over and over agains hasnt really been afraid of the spotlight. Also has used his time to contribute in the right way with pushing see umasi instead of just defending himself this is what you do as town when you have pressure on you. you give your reads and your thoughts regardless of the pressure you dont complain. He is town
11: Pandain-
his sent push seems legit and seems to have some of the same reasoning i have. If he is thinking like means he is probally town. needs more actvity.
12: Cephiro-
seems to be always catching up for some reason and his last catching up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=133#2647 he promised to be a good townie going forward he didnt do shit. honestly i dont really know but fuck it ill say scum because fuck him.
13: Mr. Cheesecake-
im excused from reading him because i hate him. he will probally at some point afk from this game and be active somewhere else on tl.
14: decondu-
confused about why yamato was town would likely know his scum team shot yamato so slight indication he might be town i dont feel strong about need to see more from him.
15: Coagulation-
town no reason to not belive he is the vig with his and yamtos claims
16: Stutters695-
martyer hate that shit but who knows probally bad town though
17: iamperfection-
IC
18: Zenatsu/molango-
a double lurker. A sure sign of the apoclypse.
19: [UoN]Sentinel-
scum this is bad http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=45#888 it was just a long excuse to vote coag for no real reason listing lurkers is even worse than lurkers because it a way to look like your contributing . so is this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=85#1699 say absoloutly nothing on a major topic while sudetly supporting it and then when he votes for him hes not very clear on why he is scum just he has regressed from an earlier game. He has given some decent reasoning for some his thoughts later on so he isnt my strongest scum read but that day 1 still reads as scum.
20: VisceraEyes-
I dont really understand his existential crisis that he all of sudden for no real good reason but i dont see the scum motivation. Like he didnt use it as an excuse to not talk about the game as he is still talking so i would say town on him. has been generally active and talking about the game. His thinking that it may be possible both coag and yamato could be scum is kind of ridiclous as in to ridiclous to come from scum.
22: geript-
scum his biggest contribution for the entire game was to tunnel dp and make him rage quit. outside of that the rest of his day one was useless and hasnt done anything this cycle scum
23: Risen-
i dont fucking know hasnt really done anything could be scum in fact i would say leaning scum
24: LoneMeow-
dont know: calling stuff wierd but not scummy here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=35#690 scum do that because they dont have the balls to actually call someone scum. fucking martyer. suspicious of umasi though gives me pause might be super bad town. plus these days people who martyer have kind of been flipping town unfortunatly.
25: marvellosity-
Town seems active and intrested i will say town and improve my record of reading him almost always correctly. seems to have setled into the role of town leader.
26: Zaragon-
scum played the im a newbie card kind of wierd that he would go after ve as scum but in effect his vote was wasted and did nothing of vlaue. Says stuff like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=87#1721 says sent isnt great case but leaning scum????????? dont know what that means. and wants to say im not sure it seems a lot and never really reaches solid conlusions that much.
27: Mattchew-
scum Terrible response to the pressure that has come to him. Seems like he has decided to use this cycle to just calling marv scum without putting any effort in to convince people why or to dow ell anything really. Seems to have resigned to his fate http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=149#2977 and dosnt want to try to convince anyone of anything. The spotlight is on him and he has crumbuled. mocs case has merit i specfically like his points about his approach to stutters. dont really care for the voice mafia junk but mattchew's actions since the case make me strongly believe he is scum
Umasi-scumi will give credit to firmtofu here i think he made solid point here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=151#3011 hes scum for that i would say
29: justanothertownie- was going to stay up to see my post +1 for eagerly awaiting iamperfection posts. outside of that he hasnt done a ton and hasnt had strong reads but seems to be self aware of that fact in a matter of fact way. My gut would say town.
30: Mocsta-towni like his case been active extremely likely town i would say efort etc....
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need to take a break for a bit.
respond to my stuff right wrong dumb stupid perfect? perfect is the correct answer but please respond everyone
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I really like the town read on FT, iamp.
Much better verbalization of how i felt.
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funny your kush/OO read.
My town read on Kush was based EXACTLY on OO observation (the similarity to Smurf mafia - Hurndall3).
Made me feel a lot better about OO, but prob a weak tell all-up. I think null is prob the safest bet.
So agree there.
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On September 25 2013 11:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
Hey Firm.
Here's a few names
Umasi
Zaragron (i know you've talked about him before today)
justanothertownie
kush
Who's scummiest out of this lot and why? Do you think there are mafia in this list, if so how many? This is what I got through skimming since I'm catching up and posting on short notice: JAT fluffs like a mofo, Zaragon seems to be shoving all his fluff and I guess consolidating it? Both are generally blending in well and not taking the thread anywhere. FT made a pretty bad case on Zaragon so maybe that's why I'm having trouble seeing the red and green features. But I don't like either one. JAT is consistently doing nothing while Zaragon has disappeared. Maybe slightly redder JAT. Umasi's getting better. He's at least trying to contribute to the thread in a good way now and actively discussing. Kush... I never have any idea wtf kush is doing. With mattchew I've seen him make sense before, kush has pretty much been this way in every game I remember. Including smurf. He's stopped making the modicum of sense he was at the beginning of D1 (the thread police stage), so I have nothing. I'd say out of these four I would go after JAT first. I'm going to go look at Mattchew, I haven't looked at him since I brought up his weird pseudo-doc claim thingy
I appreciate the sentiment that I'm getting better, but I've far from been discussing things more actively than I was, nothing has really changed. I was just addressing FTs thoughts on me. He seems to be focused on me being scum, and I don't really care to respond to him anymore, but he's present enough (as are you) to make me ~relatively happier? Although both his scumread of me and your (kind of?) townread of me seem pretty unexplained or poorly reasoned.
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I disagree that Umasi is scum. He's playing exactly like his town game in Golden. He lurks until he has something to say, and then posts it. And I think his arguments make sense.
The best way to analyze Umasi is going to be in-depth, to give him some credit I think he's going to end up becoming one of the best mafia players if he keeps at it, but he reveals alignment later on in the game. Keep an eye on him, but I definitely think he's town. He's also contributing more than others.
Still really unsure on Mattchew. But I think it has merit. He has been posting stuff which isn't simply bad but also nonsensical or contradictory. Also confused why he didn't vote Stutters instead of Yam when 1.) unlikely for Yam to get lynched, especially if he doesn't push for it (thus what's the point), and 2.) Seems like his reasoning for Yam being scum is way worse.
I think Firm is not a good lynch for today, but definitely a good possibility in the future.
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Can we please kill Sentinel?
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##vote mattchew
Lots of my townreads are voting for him, and I agree with many of the points brought up against him. he's surpassed firmtofu and sentinel.
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Also Rayn, for someone who posts about everything, you've been strangely ignoring Mattchew. Reasoning?
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On September 25 2013 12:20 yamato77 wrote:
Can we please kill Sentinel?
You prefer a sentinel lynch over mattchew? why?
On September 25 2013 11:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
Hey Firm.
Here's a few names
Umasi
Zaragron (i know you've talked about him before today)
justanothertownie
kush
Who's scummiest out of this lot and why? Do you think there are mafia in this list, if so how many? This is what I got through skimming since I'm catching up and posting on short notice: JAT fluffs like a mofo, Zaragon seems to be shoving all his fluff and I guess consolidating it? Both are generally blending in well and not taking the thread anywhere. FT made a pretty bad case on Zaragon so maybe that's why I'm having trouble seeing the red and green features. But I don't like either one. JAT is consistently doing nothing while Zaragon has disappeared. Maybe slightly redder JAT. Umasi's getting better. He's at least trying to contribute to the thread in a good way now and actively discussing. Kush... I never have any idea wtf kush is doing. With mattchew I've seen him make sense before, kush has pretty much been this way in every game I remember. Including smurf. He's stopped making the modicum of sense he was at the beginning of D1 (the thread police stage), so I have nothing. I'd say out of these four I would go after JAT first. I'm going to go look at Mattchew, I haven't looked at him since I brought up his weird pseudo-doc claim thingy
why would he retract his scumread a little bit just when firmtofu starts calling me scum?
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On September 25 2013 12:20 yamato77 wrote:
Can we please kill Sentinel?
Maybe we can get it going. Going to read him again, a lot of his D2 posts made me think he's town.
Since you'll respond to this anyway, I assume you also put forth an argument that I can read? If so, link?
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On September 25 2013 12:26 Pandain wrote:Maybe we can get it going. Going to read him again, a lot of his D2 posts made me think he's town. Since you'll respond to this anyway, I assume you also put forth an argument that I can read? If so, link?
I've been explaining my reads the whole game.
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Sorry yam.
If mattchew flips scum. I think the next guy to flip should be Geript.
His dwlurk yesterday was such an odd timing...and..reading his filter now I really fucked up early game to ve... He was right about Geript using ve to find Dp scummy. Geript posted his points after the comment, not before as I had said 
Highest % to flip for the win right?
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On September 25 2013 12:34 Mocsta wrote:Sorry yam. If mattchew flips scum. I think the next guy to flip should be Geript. His dwlurk yesterday was such an odd timing...and..reading his filter now I really fucked up early game to ve... He was right about Geript using ve to find Dp scummy. Geript posted his points after the comment, not before as I had said Highest % to flip for the win right?
I'm not convinced Matt will flip scum, bro.
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FT saved yesterday, not getting lynched today. Makes sense. DP was right about mods saving FT b/c he's scum, imo.
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