On September 25 2013 09:08 Mocsta wrote:
Wasn't pandan. Meant to be a high content low volume poster..

Aside from his post to explain his Geript vote...I'm not seeing high content at all.

no pandain is hit or miss. some games he has hi content posts splashed with 1 liners.
Hes kind of like a neutered gonzaw that spams.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

September 25 2013 00:11 GMT

#3149

On September 25 2013 09:05 marvellosity wrote:

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isn't that what you did? lol

No because I applied it in a specific context. Was he doing a long analysis trying to say someone else is better?

Just posting to post with small suspicions? If its that, and he's trying to lay low, does ignoring an oncoming lynch make sense?

Not conclusive and only a small thing, so doesn't warrant that much discussion. Also it's too much me vs you ATM, and we'll see what he flips after game anyway.

iamperfection

United States9647 Posts

September 25 2013 00:11 GMT

#3150

On September 25 2013 09:09 Mocsta wrote:

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He's here. As is the Mattchew case.

Gigogogo!

as in you want a peek on my notes i guess i can oblige

27: Mattchew-scum Terrible response to the pressure that has come to him. Seems like he has decided to use this cycle to just calling marv scum without putting any effort in to convince people why or to dow ell anything really. Seems to have resigned to his fate http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=149#2977 and dosnt want to try to convince anyone of anything. The spotlight is on him and he has crumbuled. mocs case has merit i specfically like his points about his approach to stutters. dont really care for the voice mafia junk but mattchew's actions since the case make me strongly believe he is scum

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

September 25 2013 00:12 GMT

#3151

On September 25 2013 09:08 Mocsta wrote:
Wasn't pandan. Meant to be a high content low volume poster..

Aside from his post to explain his Geript vote...I'm not seeing high content at all.

Weird.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

September 25 2013 00:12 GMT

#3152

On September 25 2013 08:58 justanothertownie wrote:
If my opinion was of that much value to you, you could have asked btw.
So if it pleases you I will take another look at him, ok? When I first read the case it went exactly as I said: Sound logic - guy could be mafia. That's about it.

I'm not going to talk about this much more, but I'll say this, and hope you get me

I, or anyone, shouldn't have to ask for your opinion; by default I want to hear what everyone has to say on a substantial case.

Generally speaking, making reads on a player is much easier if you can read through and follow their thought process and see how you feel about that. It doesn't even necessarily matter if your final conclusion isn't decisive either way, as long as we can see how and why you got there.

There's a player called fuba who I introduced to mafia, and he's not a heavy poster at all. He's told me several times that often he finds it hard to post, even though he spends hours reading the game, because he's not sure. I told him the same, just post what you're thinking about things so that we can see your thought process.

I got a scumread on him in Les Mis (that i kinda forgot somehow) because his posts were much more dense and obfuscate-y than normal, I couldn't follow his thought process very well.

justanothertownie

16326 Posts

September 25 2013 00:17 GMT

#3153

On September 25 2013 00:44 Mocsta wrote:
@Rayn: Regarding - Mattchew
OP links are NOT updated. Mattchew filter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Mattchew

Im just going to list things that stick out to me whether pro/con and then summarise

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Not sure why his first action is to filter dive 4 specific players
Gut read on rayn is meh.. would have expected something more substatial
Gives an odd read on Chariman Ray.. almost as if he knows he is town (this stuck out to me a while back).. could just be poor phrasing
Where is outcome of his filter dive on 4 specific players?
Cuddles Mocsta... via gut again.. none of his posts have any in-game substance
Is OK with yam, based on others vote critera; but then later gives a wishywashy comment on yam that implies he only has a soft scum lean.. very odd
Asks for opinions on Stutters multiple times, but doesn't flesh out why he is interested (very scummy)
Rational of keeping voting on yam is odd... suggests he didnt have a scum read on him when he cast the vote in the first place....which is not consistent with prior comments
later puts a scum team which includes stutters.... why the fuck did he not vote stutters instead of yam.. OR prove stutters himself.. (VERY SCUMMY)
Really odd comments about marv.... not sure what it means

Overall.
I have a few problems with him
(1) Tries to insinuate stutters is scum through others, but provides no insight of his own. In fact, he doesnt even probe stutters directly to ascertain his alignment.
Exacerbated when he confirms he didnt have a scum read on yamato when voting him... but lists stutters on his scum team (His vote should have been on stutters !!)

(2) When speaking about chariman_ray opener; the phrasing is really odd. Its almost as if he knows the guy is town.. i actually cant pinpoint my issue with it, its just really odd.

(3) I have played voice mafia with this guy twice now. As town, matt is easily able to establish himself. He speaks freely and with confidence, is to the point, and doesn't listen to bullshit. I'm not getting an iota of that this game.

I actually can't see how this guy can be town. His actions are very scummy/deceitful, and I can't picture the motive for a town to keep asking about stutters, without providing personal insight, or querying stutters directly.

Im actually really happy with this guy to be voted. And willing to vote him above anyone else I discussed prior this cycle.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew

Ok, I read his filter again and your case. Still the same feeling about it. Sounds logical - guy might be scum. Is it compelling enough to convince me 100%? No, it is not.
On the other hand Mattchews reaction to the case is pretty damning in my eyes. He doesn't even try to defend himself or present better targets.

Mocsta

Australia9389 Posts

September 25 2013 00:18 GMT

#3154

On September 25 2013 09:12 Pandain wrote:

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Weird.

Why?

When I called u out early game, people defended. U on the basis of high content, low volume.

And it perturbs me that u never respond when called out...

Mocsta

Australia9389 Posts

September 25 2013 00:19 GMT

#3155

If mattchew response is damming in your eyes
What do u plan to do.about it?

Mocsta

Australia9389 Posts

September 25 2013 00:20 GMT

#3156

^^

At JAT

justanothertownie

16326 Posts

September 25 2013 00:20 GMT

#3157

To make it clear his name is and was painted red in my spreadsheet since some of my town reads voted for him. I just wasn't sure if it is the lynch I wanted - I thought it might be a good idea to lynch FT at that time.

justanothertownie

16326 Posts

September 25 2013 00:21 GMT

#3158

Well, since FT looks somewhat better right now:

##Vote: Mattchew

Are you happy now?

justanothertownie

16326 Posts

September 25 2013 00:23 GMT

#3159

To clarify: I don't usually vote the instant I put someone in the scummy category. Just look at my last game for proof.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts