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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 25 2013 00:05 GMT
#3141
On September 25 2013 08:57 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 08:54 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 08:53 Pandain wrote:
On September 25 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
It is pretty bizarre that jat didn't comment on Matt at all.

I would think scum would at least want to comment on it one way or another. Indicates town to me.


so the ~20 players who haven't commented on it are all town then?

pro logic Pandy.

Context context, would assume you know not to generalize traits of scum and traits of town


isn't that what you did? lol
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
September 25 2013 00:06 GMT
#3142
JAT seems to be resisting putting any kind of opinions in thread.

not good.

justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 25 2013 00:06 GMT
#3143
On September 25 2013 09:02 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 09:00 justanothertownie wrote:
The case was fine like I said. But a good case does not necessarily mean the target is mafia.

Your reactive license has just been revoked.

Proactive or gallows. Choose your adventure.

Meanie...
Alright alright as I said I am taking a second look on Mattchew and will give you a stronger statement.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 25 2013 00:06 GMT
#3144
On September 25 2013 09:05 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 08:57 Pandain wrote:
On September 25 2013 08:54 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 08:53 Pandain wrote:
On September 25 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
It is pretty bizarre that jat didn't comment on Matt at all.

I would think scum would at least want to comment on it one way or another. Indicates town to me.


so the ~20 players who haven't commented on it are all town then?

pro logic Pandy.

Context context, would assume you know not to generalize traits of scum and traits of town


isn't that what you did? lol

I was biting my tongue.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 25 2013 00:08 GMT
#3145
is cephiro in the game or did he get replaced?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 25 2013 00:08 GMT
#3146
Wasn't pandan. Meant to be a high content low volume poster..

Aside from his post to explain his Geript vote...I'm not seeing high content at all.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 25 2013 00:09 GMT
#3147
On September 25 2013 09:08 iamperfection wrote:
is cephiro in the game or did he get replaced?

He's here. As is the Mattchew case.

Gigogogo!
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
September 25 2013 00:10 GMT
#3148
On September 25 2013 09:08 Mocsta wrote:
Wasn't pandan. Meant to be a high content low volume poster..

Aside from his post to explain his Geript vote...I'm not seeing high content at all.


no pandain is hit or miss. some games he has hi content posts splashed with 1 liners.
Hes kind of like a neutered gonzaw that spams.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 00:11 GMT
#3149
On September 25 2013 09:05 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 08:57 Pandain wrote:
On September 25 2013 08:54 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 08:53 Pandain wrote:
On September 25 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
It is pretty bizarre that jat didn't comment on Matt at all.

I would think scum would at least want to comment on it one way or another. Indicates town to me.


so the ~20 players who haven't commented on it are all town then?

pro logic Pandy.

Context context, would assume you know not to generalize traits of scum and traits of town


isn't that what you did? lol


No because I applied it in a specific context. Was he doing a long analysis trying to say someone else is better?

Just posting to post with small suspicions? If its that, and he's trying to lay low, does ignoring an oncoming lynch make sense?

Not conclusive and only a small thing, so doesn't warrant that much discussion. Also it's too much me vs you ATM, and we'll see what he flips after game anyway.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 25 2013 00:11 GMT
#3150
On September 25 2013 09:09 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 09:08 iamperfection wrote:
is cephiro in the game or did he get replaced?

He's here. As is the Mattchew case.

Gigogogo!

as in you want a peek on my notes i guess i can oblige

27: Mattchew-scum Terrible response to the pressure that has come to him. Seems like he has decided to use this cycle to just calling marv scum without putting any effort in to convince people why or to dow ell anything really. Seems to have resigned to his fate http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=149#2977 and dosnt want to try to convince anyone of anything. The spotlight is on him and he has crumbuled. mocs case has merit i specfically like his points about his approach to stutters. dont really care for the voice mafia junk but mattchew's actions since the case make me strongly believe he is scum
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 00:12 GMT
#3151
On September 25 2013 09:08 Mocsta wrote:
Wasn't pandan. Meant to be a high content low volume poster..

Aside from his post to explain his Geript vote...I'm not seeing high content at all.

Weird.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 25 2013 00:12 GMT
#3152
On September 25 2013 08:58 justanothertownie wrote:
If my opinion was of that much value to you, you could have asked btw.
So if it pleases you I will take another look at him, ok? When I first read the case it went exactly as I said: Sound logic - guy could be mafia. That's about it.


I'm not going to talk about this much more, but I'll say this, and hope you get me

I, or anyone, shouldn't have to ask for your opinion; by default I want to hear what everyone has to say on a substantial case.

Generally speaking, making reads on a player is much easier if you can read through and follow their thought process and see how you feel about that. It doesn't even necessarily matter if your final conclusion isn't decisive either way, as long as we can see how and why you got there.

There's a player called fuba who I introduced to mafia, and he's not a heavy poster at all. He's told me several times that often he finds it hard to post, even though he spends hours reading the game, because he's not sure. I told him the same, just post what you're thinking about things so that we can see your thought process.

I got a scumread on him in Les Mis (that i kinda forgot somehow) because his posts were much more dense and obfuscate-y than normal, I couldn't follow his thought process very well.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 25 2013 00:17 GMT
#3153
On September 25 2013 00:44 Mocsta wrote:
@Rayn: Regarding - Mattchew
OP links are NOT updated. Mattchew filter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Mattchew



Im just going to list things that stick out to me whether pro/con and then summarise

+ Show Spoiler +
  • Not sure why his first action is to filter dive 4 specific players
  • Gut read on rayn is meh.. would have expected something more substatial
  • Gives an odd read on Chariman Ray.. almost as if he knows he is town (this stuck out to me a while back).. could just be poor phrasing
  • Where is outcome of his filter dive on 4 specific players?
  • Cuddles Mocsta... via gut again.. none of his posts have any in-game substance
  • Is OK with yam, based on others vote critera; but then later gives a wishywashy comment on yam that implies he only has a soft scum lean.. very odd
  • Asks for opinions on Stutters multiple times, but doesn't flesh out why he is interested (very scummy)
  • Rational of keeping voting on yam is odd... suggests he didnt have a scum read on him when he cast the vote in the first place....which is not consistent with prior comments
  • later puts a scum team which includes stutters.... why the fuck did he not vote stutters instead of yam.. OR prove stutters himself.. (VERY SCUMMY)
  • Really odd comments about marv.... not sure what it means


Overall.
I have a few problems with him
(1) Tries to insinuate stutters is scum through others, but provides no insight of his own. In fact, he doesnt even probe stutters directly to ascertain his alignment.
Exacerbated when he confirms he didnt have a scum read on yamato when voting him... but lists stutters on his scum team (His vote should have been on stutters !!)

(2) When speaking about chariman_ray opener; the phrasing is really odd. Its almost as if he knows the guy is town.. i actually cant pinpoint my issue with it, its just really odd.

(3) I have played voice mafia with this guy twice now. As town, matt is easily able to establish himself. He speaks freely and with confidence, is to the point, and doesn't listen to bullshit. I'm not getting an iota of that this game.



I actually can't see how this guy can be town. His actions are very scummy/deceitful, and I can't picture the motive for a town to keep asking about stutters, without providing personal insight, or querying stutters directly.

Im actually really happy with this guy to be voted. And willing to vote him above anyone else I discussed prior this cycle.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew

Ok, I read his filter again and your case. Still the same feeling about it. Sounds logical - guy might be scum. Is it compelling enough to convince me 100%? No, it is not.
On the other hand Mattchews reaction to the case is pretty damning in my eyes. He doesn't even try to defend himself or present better targets.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 25 2013 00:18 GMT
#3154
On September 25 2013 09:12 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 09:08 mocsta wrote:
Wasn't pandan. Meant to be a high content low volume poster..

Aside from his post to explain his Geript vote...I'm not seeing high content at all.

Weird.

Why?

When I called u out early game, people defended. U on the basis of high content, low volume.

And it perturbs me that u never respond when called out...
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 25 2013 00:19 GMT
#3155
If mattchew response is damming in your eyes
What do u plan to do.about it?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 25 2013 00:20 GMT
#3156
^^

At JAT
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 25 2013 00:20 GMT
#3157
To make it clear his name is and was painted red in my spreadsheet since some of my town reads voted for him. I just wasn't sure if it is the lynch I wanted - I thought it might be a good idea to lynch FT at that time.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 25 2013 00:21 GMT
#3158
Well, since FT looks somewhat better right now:

##Vote: Mattchew

Are you happy now?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
September 25 2013 00:23 GMT
#3159
To clarify: I don't usually vote the instant I put someone in the scummy category. Just look at my last game for proof.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 25 2013 00:24 GMT
#3160
I shall indeed take a gander, it'll be nice to know how you played there
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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