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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
September 25 2013 03:44 GMT
#3201
On September 25 2013 12:39 yamato77 wrote
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 12:34 Mocsta wrote:
Sorry yam.

If mattchew flips scum. I think the next guy to flip should be Geript.

His dwlurk yesterday was such an odd timing...and..reading his filter now I really fucked up early game to ve... He was right about Geript using ve to find Dp scummy. Geript posted his points after the comment, not before as I had said

Highest % to flip for the win right?

I'm not convinced Matt will flip scum, bro.

That's ok. I know are waiting till deeper in the cycle to confirm how he will react.. if he does.


So.
Is sentinel really your highest % to flip?

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
September 25 2013 03:45 GMT
#3202
On September 25 2013 12:40 Risen wrote:
FT saved yesterday, not getting lynched today. Makes sense. DP was right about mods saving FT b/c he's scum, imo.

Or. Mod didn't want to do two flips in general.

It's not like chairman could come back into the game.

It was a fuckup and u get that unfortunately.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 25 2013 03:49 GMT
#3203
On September 25 2013 12:44 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 12:39 yamato77 wrote
On September 25 2013 12:34 Mocsta wrote:
Sorry yam.

If mattchew flips scum. I think the next guy to flip should be Geript.

His dwlurk yesterday was such an odd timing...and..reading his filter now I really fucked up early game to ve... He was right about Geript using ve to find Dp scummy. Geript posted his points after the comment, not before as I had said

Highest % to flip for the win right?

I'm not convinced Matt will flip scum, bro.

That's ok. I know are waiting till deeper in the cycle to confirm how he will react.. if he does.


So.
Is sentinel really your highest % to flip?


Obviously.

This is also fueled by teh fact that I don't trust you 100%.

TBH, I'm just like Marv in that you and Rayn are question marks.
Writer@WriterYamato
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 03:50 GMT
#3204
Day one Senteniel is like the definition of scum. His first post is a list without content but looks like content.

He's wishy washy-here

Then a contradiction/wishwass/simple scum.
On September 23 2013 07:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 06:56 yamato77 wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:45 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm basically rallying for Sentinel btw. He played more effectively when he was in 4 games at a time during Smurf.


5*

In which game was that? Smurf? I posted the bare minimum to keep up and piggybacked on other people's reads

And yet you looked town! I can't say that here.

That's like job #1, right?


Bullshit I looked town. I tunneled Eccleston, showed up only when someone knew I was missing, tried my hardest not to look suspicious, and the only reason I stayed alive as long as I did was because I defended myself decently well and nobody could pin anything on me.

That's also what I did in Roulette which I played concurrently IIRC, with Vayne swapped in for Eccleston

Lol fuck

Maybe you looked town because I knew you were town (as PT2.0). Let me get to my computer, do some reading. If not you, then who? Is it you vs Koshi and some Chairman Ray campaigners?


Well there's yamato but that's out of the question for you, right?

And then there's LoneMeow bandwagon, but I want to see LM defend himself/post reads before making judgment.

If you seriously think I am mafia, you need to explain yourself better than you have so far.


What I don't understand is how you easily rule out the possibility that Ray does truly have no idea what's going on, and the difficulty with coming up with arguments other than sheeping the easiest lynch is a symptom of that problem. Yes, it would be a scumread in a more experienced player, but looking at Ray's profile history he's come out of a newbie game recently. I don't get why you don't pursue your other reads more.

On September 23 2013 07:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:
On September 23 2013 07:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:56 yamato77 wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:45 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 23 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm basically rallying for Sentinel btw. He played more effectively when he was in 4 games at a time during Smurf.


5*

In which game was that? Smurf? I posted the bare minimum to keep up and piggybacked on other people's reads

And yet you looked town! I can't say that here.

That's like job #1, right?


Bullshit I looked town. I tunneled Eccleston, showed up only when someone knew I was missing, tried my hardest not to look suspicious, and the only reason I stayed alive as long as I did was because I defended myself decently well and nobody could pin anything on me.

That's also what I did in Roulette which I played concurrently IIRC, with Vayne swapped in for Eccleston

Lol fuck

Maybe you looked town because I knew you were town (as PT2.0). Let me get to my computer, do some reading. If not you, then who? Is it you vs Koshi and some Chairman Ray campaigners?


Well there's yamato but that's out of the question for you, right?

And then there's LoneMeow bandwagon, but I want to see LM defend himself/post reads before making judgment.

If you seriously think I am mafia, you need to explain yourself better than you have so far.


What I don't understand is how you easily rule out the possibility that Ray does truly have no idea what's going on, and the difficulty with coming up with arguments other than sheeping the easiest lynch is a symptom of that problem. Yes, it would be a scumread in a more experienced player, but looking at Ray's profile history he's come out of a newbie game recently. I don't get why you don't pursue your other reads more.

I think if you read his posts, he has a clear understanding of what's happening in the game.


I just read his entire filter and he looks exactly like a guy who's playing his second (second? can't be more than fourth since he was previously in a newbie, someone confirm this) game. I don't see what would make him scummy.

He sounds pretty sure of himself and like he already came to a conclusion

And then a sudden change after re-reading?
On September 23 2013 09:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
After reviewing Chairman's filter, I have to agree that something is up here. Maybe a little south of neutral in my eyes. Might it be a product of coaching in the newbie game and nothing in this one?


More importantly, this contradicts with what he writes in his explanation post:
And this is where I shifted into panic mode. I didn't have 3 hours, I had 30 minutes, and the votecount said I was going to die. I'd rather find a red player to lynch than get mislynched myself. So what do I do? I can't construct a persuasive case in 30 minutes, so might as well sheep someone who I think is scum. Cue me convincing myself through rereads of Chairman's filter that he's playing unusually restrictive, and with my previous defense of him ruled out with the Newbie filter, he must be red.

(##Vote Chairman Ray)

On September 23 2013 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm reading Ray's filter from newbie, he seems a lot more restricted here than there which is weird. Unless coaches were really on meth (holy shit I was coaching? nobody sent me any questions, I forgot all about it), I can't really say why he would regress in his ability to post substance.

Better than yamato I guess.

##Vote: Chairman Ray


Does not sound paniced. It's a possibility but I think it's weak, also FT was the other main guy who could be lynched.

But day two sentinel is so good, he's reasoned and makes sense. Simply because of his day two, I'm hesitant to lynch him. It's so town in my eyes.

What do you think of his D2 play Yamato?
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 25 2013 03:52 GMT
#3205
What do you LIKE about it?
Writer@WriterYamato
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
September 25 2013 03:54 GMT
#3206
Top 3 lynches I think are

Mattchew
Geript
Zaragon

After that it gets messier and I am confident scum exists in at least one of the replacements other than snb and iamp.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 03:55 GMT
#3207
His posts make sense, I agree with them(Zaragon and JAT being supsicious, except for me it's more Zara than JAT).

Pushed thread forward, two analysis' on Firm and Lonemeow.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
September 25 2013 03:57 GMT
#3208
On Septembethough013 12:55 Pandain wrote:
His posts make sense, I agree with them(Zaragon and JAT being supsicious, except for me it's more Zara than JAT).

Pushed thread forward, two analysis' on Firm and Lonemeow.

I've just finished filter dives on
Jat
Geript
Zaragon

I'm still not feeling jat as scum.
Zaragon is the goods thoigh
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
September 25 2013 03:59 GMT
#3209
Btw yam. Thnx for the compliment on. Not trusting me
I must have one help of a scum game

Love u 2
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 04:06 GMT
#3210
Disagree that Geript is scum.

Has there ever been a game where scum instantly brought all attention to himself and with poor reasoning tried to tunnel one of the best players?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 04:06 GMT
#3211
Like I know that's very specific, but simply put it doesn't make sense.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
September 25 2013 04:10 GMT
#3212
On September 25 2013 13:06 Pandain wrote:
Disagree that Geript is scum.

Has there ever been a game where scum instantly brought all attention to himself and with poor reasoning tried to tunnel one of the best players?

I have a case ready to go on Geript and zaragon. Will post them during night cycle as mattychew is still whom I think is the best lynch. We already have the votes in place.


I'm about to filter dive sentinel and umasi.

Prob cc as well. His lack of activity since day1 is worrying.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 25 2013 04:21 GMT
#3213
You should post them now.

At the least it generates discussion about them, which is useful.

On September 24 2013 11:44 Cephiro wrote:
Well, it seems like the night didn't go that badly. Appareantly there's a vig shot that hit town, but on the happier side of life it seems like we had a successful doctor protection tonight. And no blues were hit. That said, we really need to lynch scum today. And since I'm still alive, I'm going to do my best to ensure that happens. Not too far from having read the whole thread properly either.


Want to start seeing this, Ceph.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
September 25 2013 04:25 GMT
#3214
Haha pandain. Sorry dude.

Target too many ppl in one cycle and it's too hard to control the lynch.

Anyways I need to read the cases against umasi because I read his filter and he is screaming town to me. Does anyone remember who made the case?

Onto sentinel now
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 25 2013 04:26 GMT
#3215
On September 25 2013 12:45 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 12:40 Risen wrote:
FT saved yesterday, not getting lynched today. Makes sense. DP was right about mods saving FT b/c he's scum, imo.

Or. Mod didn't want to do two flips in general.

It's not like chairman could come back into the game.

It was a fuckup and u get that unfortunately.


That came off as judgmental on the hosts, when I meant for it to be me agreeing with DP that FT was scum benefiting from a shitty situation. FT got saved d1/was in the process of getting saved when lynchpost happened early. Today FT starts as the clear candidate to be lynched and has for reasons unrelated to his own posting is being saved again.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 25 2013 04:32 GMT
#3216
EBWOP: ...and is, for reasons unrelated to his own posting, being saved again.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9649 Posts
September 25 2013 04:36 GMT
#3217
On September 25 2013 12:39 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 12:34 Mocsta wrote:
Sorry yam.

If mattchew flips scum. I think the next guy to flip should be Geript.

His dwlurk yesterday was such an odd timing...and..reading his filter now I really fucked up early game to ve... He was right about Geript using ve to find Dp scummy. Geript posted his points after the comment, not before as I had said

Highest % to flip for the win right?

I'm not convinced Matt will flip scum, bro.

why? he dosn't seem to care about town he aint doing shit with the spotlight on him. he has an extremely high chance of flipping scum.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
September 25 2013 04:37 GMT
#3218
On September 25 2013 13:26 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 12:45 Mocsta wrote:
On September 25 2013 12:40 Rise wrote:
FT saved yesterday, not getting lynched today. Makes sense. DP was right about mods saving FT b/c he's scum, imo.

Or. Mod didn't want to do two flips in general.

It's not like chairman could come back into the game.

It was a fuckup and u get that unfortunately.


That came off as judgmental on the hosts, when I meant for it to be me agreeing with DP that FT was scum benefiting from a shitty situation. FT got saved d1/was in the process of getting saved when lynchpost happened early. Today FT starts as the clear candidate to be lynched and has for reasons unrelated to his own posting is being saved again.

This has to stop.

It's wrong. Full stop.

The host clearly had no idea who the vote leader was. He took 30min to do the count for fucks sake.


Ft was not saved by the host.... And as for the dp vote thingo. The simplest solution is that the host fucked up and made a decision to minimise the damage... Which is.. ensure only one person flipped.
That's a non alignment indicative action as it preserves some modicum of integrity for the game.

Ft hasn't been saved. Many still think he is scum.
It's just that many view mattychew as a higher % to flip scum.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9649 Posts
September 25 2013 04:44 GMT
#3219
risen what do you think of firms day 2?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9649 Posts
September 25 2013 04:51 GMT
#3220
you guys take to long to to answer questions we will talk tommorow
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
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