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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10347 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 10:54:19
January 02 2012 10:53 GMT
#3081
zettai ryouiki loli tsundere ftw

AKA any JC Staff anime


i'm not sure where you've seen yandere and emo alice though. elaborate? =O
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
dkpl
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada1485 Posts
January 02 2012 12:12 GMT
#3082
I can't really elaborate yandere alice, since I refuse to watch or read anything with it. I think Chronopolis or Rain posted a video with yandere alice either here or in mumu a while back. It just seems to me when content creators make yandere alice, they do it to the extreme (ie. "I can't have anyone take away my Marisa so I'll kill everyone in my way)

Emo alice, I was gonna say, any doujinshi by Personal Color with Alice and Marisa in it, then I realize it's usually emo Marisa, which pisses me off 10x more than emo Alice, lol. But it's usually something along the line of Alice getting emo that Marisa/Yuuka/whoever she's pair with that doesn't pay attention to her, and she starts thinking unnecessary and dumb things and just emos a lot. lol
Anopob: also, in between the most familiar parts, necrofantasy is like kekeke and necrofantasia is like bum b um bum
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
January 02 2012 15:52 GMT
#3083
At least in my case, it's difficult to be content with the portrayal of a given character when I already have an idea of how the character should be in my mind. For instance, I picture Hina Kagiyama (the goddess of misfortune) as a kind person who just gets shit on all the time by her powers; she WANTS to be friendly and social, but her misfortune just creates the facade of her being a malevolent prankster. Then I read a doujinshi of her actually BEING a malevolent prankster, and I'm like, "This isn't Hina. Why would she do this?"

Maybe I'm just unreasonable, but that's why I don't really enjoy many fanmade works that provide alternate personality archetypes for characters. I'm fine with stuff like that short story about Suwako's hat, though.

Also, I just had to search what yandere meant. Thumbs down plz.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
January 02 2012 18:21 GMT
#3084
C81, just had some awesome Touhou doujin game releases =D they look too fun,
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10347 Posts
January 02 2012 19:54 GMT
#3085
You didn't know what yandere meant? Yeah I don't understand (if anyone does) why they would like or be interested in yanderes o.o

Story about Suwako's hat... is that the one you posted here a while back? or am I imagining things ^^;
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
January 02 2012 20:07 GMT
#3086
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=101796&currentpage=115#2292
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 20:16:25
January 02 2012 20:14 GMT
#3087
yandere is scary sheit sometimes >>

+ Show Spoiler +
Freaking Nice Boat



C81, just had some awesome Touhou doujin game releases =D they look too fun,

Hmm I should go dl those after I dl all these music XD

:o
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
January 02 2012 20:17 GMT
#3088
On January 03 2012 03:21 Blasterion wrote:
C81, just had some awesome Touhou doujin game releases =D they look too fun,


homura action?!
the courage to be a lazy bum
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
January 02 2012 21:28 GMT
#3089
On January 03 2012 05:17 ZoW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2012 03:21 Blasterion wrote:
C81, just had some awesome Touhou doujin game releases =D they look too fun,


homura action?!

Moe-Golfing is too OP..... LOL 1SHOT BOOM! RELOAD!
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Latedi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden1027 Posts
January 02 2012 22:44 GMT
#3090
Wouldn't yandere be better than tsundere? It's like die no or die later.
I am Latedi.
dkpl
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada1485 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 00:38:35
January 03 2012 00:01 GMT
#3091
tsundere is just being dishonest No dying involved. It's fine for the most part if it's got a comedic undertone, but if they make it too overbearing, it can get annoying too.

yandere also has different levels. If you think about it, yuuka and flandre are both pretty well accepted as yandere, but they don't go overkill with it in fanon (thank god). Flan just likes to play with people/things and breaks them on accident, while yuuka is overprotective of her sunflower garden and doesn't really show her angry side. But yandere alice really has no place in touhou. That's just my 2 cents anyway, lol.


On January 03 2012 00:52 Aeres wrote:
At least in my case, it's difficult to be content with the portrayal of a given character when I already have an idea of how the character should be in my mind. For instance, I picture Hina Kagiyama (the goddess of misfortune) as a kind person who just gets shit on all the time by her powers; she WANTS to be friendly and social, but her misfortune just creates the facade of her being a malevolent prankster. Then I read a doujinshi of her actually BEING a malevolent prankster, and I'm like, "This isn't Hina. Why would she do this?"

Maybe I'm just unreasonable, but that's why I don't really enjoy many fanmade works that provide alternate personality archetypes for characters. I'm fine with stuff like that short story about Suwako's hat, though.

Also, I just had to search what yandere meant. Thumbs down plz.


I think I'm actually quite open with most fan-stuff. That doesn't mean I accept everything though, so there is still some selective process going on. A good story-teller needs to make their characters believable too, so if I can't believe that character can act the way they do in their story, I'm not going to suspend my belief just for the sake of reading/watching their content.

For example, I said I don't really like an emo Alice. If the doujinshi artist made the story believable on why Alice is being emo, then I can still accept and read it. If Alice is being emo for the sake of being emo, then it just gets annoying and I may stop reading.

This is why there is fanon afterall. By following the fanon traits, you make it easier for readers/watchers to believe in your stories.







edit: is anyone else getting a 503 error in mumuchat? nvm works now
Anopob: also, in between the most familiar parts, necrofantasy is like kekeke and necrofantasia is like bum b um bum
dkpl
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada1485 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 01:02:00
January 03 2012 01:01 GMT
#3092
mumuchat really sucks today

(I'm assuming that's why it's not working for me, and it's not really a problem on my end)
Anopob: also, in between the most familiar parts, necrofantasy is like kekeke and necrofantasia is like bum b um bum
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10347 Posts
January 03 2012 01:40 GMT
#3093
ur right, tsundere is usually very mild or moderate, but yandere is usually portrayed to the extreme, AKA killing and such lol

tsundere is usually just a girl who acts mean towards someone but is just shy about showing that they actually like them, to whatever degree that might be

i don't think there is an anime where there is a killing tsundere? or is there xD
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
dkpl
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada1485 Posts
January 03 2012 01:46 GMT
#3094
there's no such thing, because that'd be yandere :|
Anopob: also, in between the most familiar parts, necrofantasy is like kekeke and necrofantasia is like bum b um bum
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 02:35:15
January 03 2012 02:05 GMT
#3095
On January 03 2012 10:40 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
ur right, tsundere is usually very mild or moderate, but yandere is usually portrayed to the extreme, AKA killing and such lol

tsundere is usually just a girl who acts mean towards someone but is just shy about showing that they actually like them, to whatever degree that might be

i don't think there is an anime where there is a killing tsundere? or is there xD

uh, I'm sure one could write a premise for that show very easily

battle maid/magical girl is sent back in time to protect some random dude; she finds herself attracted to him but refuses to acknowledge her feelings for him, so she beats him mercilessly whenever there's a pantsu flash or some other thing that happens and violently kills him because she has very strong magical girl powers

but then remembers that she has to protect him FOR THE FUTURE, so she turns back time or does some magical girl shit

of course for comedic effect he fully experiences the pain and the time-reverse every time he dies


...huh, that's ALMOST EXACTLY the plot of bludgeoning angel dokuro chan (I forget if she's actually a tsundere or a ditz though)

EDIT: also aeres, I feel the same way, but my perceptions of characters might be different than yours
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10347 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 02:36:01
January 03 2012 02:35 GMT
#3096
o yea that anime, lol. i was reminded of it when you started with the premise xD

i haven't watched it tho so idk

and he doesn't actually seem to die, so not sure if it counts xD

(permanently i mean lol)
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
January 03 2012 04:49 GMT
#3097
On January 03 2012 11:05 d3_crescentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2012 10:40 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
ur right, tsundere is usually very mild or moderate, but yandere is usually portrayed to the extreme, AKA killing and such lol

tsundere is usually just a girl who acts mean towards someone but is just shy about showing that they actually like them, to whatever degree that might be

i don't think there is an anime where there is a killing tsundere? or is there xD

uh, I'm sure one could write a premise for that show very easily

battle maid/magical girl is sent back in time to protect some random dude; she finds herself attracted to him but refuses to acknowledge her feelings for him, so she beats him mercilessly whenever there's a pantsu flash or some other thing that happens and violently kills him because she has very strong magical girl powers

but then remembers that she has to protect him FOR THE FUTURE, so she turns back time or does some magical girl shit

of course for comedic effect he fully experiences the pain and the time-reverse every time he dies


...huh, that's ALMOST EXACTLY the plot of bludgeoning angel dokuro chan (I forget if she's actually a tsundere or a ditz though)

EDIT: also aeres, I feel the same way, but my perceptions of characters might be different than yours

actually this also sounds like toloveru with golden darkness imo oo... except she's sent to kill him.
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
dkpl
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada1485 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 11:31:29
January 03 2012 06:11 GMT
#3098
d3 was asking about this in mumu earlier, but I think he's gone to sleep now. Hopefully he reads this

Easy place to look for and read official touhou comics:

Silent Sinner in Blue
- Comic with full story. It's about moon princesses and plot plot plot plot plot. Also SDM.

Inaba of the Moon & Inaba of the Earth
- 4-koma comic that follows the daily life in Eientei, starring Udonge. Makes some references to the previous comic, but aren't important to the story.

Strange and Bright Nature Deity
- Comic starring 3 fairies from great fairy wars. Obviously comic happens before the game. No real plot, but basically several short stories lasting 1 or 2 chapters each.

- Also note there is a "chapter 0" that you have to click to expand, to reveal 5 more chapters. These chapters were by another artist that due to certain circumstances could not continue drawing the manga for Zun. The new artist, Hirasaka Makoto, took over the comic, who also has their own doujin circle "Clash House"

Oriental Sacred Place
- Sequel to fairies comic. More of the same thing. It's not finished yet, not sure if the comic is still being done or scanlations just hit a lull.

Wild and Horned Hermit
- comic starring the hermit character introduced in this series, Ibara Kasen. This is the latest series by Zun


That should do it for all serialized comics that Zun wrote the stories for. Enjoy d3 and any others
Anopob: also, in between the most familiar parts, necrofantasy is like kekeke and necrofantasia is like bum b um bum
Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 08:12:58
January 03 2012 08:10 GMT
#3099
lol Silent Sinner in Blue
I read Curiosity in Lotus Asia first and so I was like + Show Spoiler +
haha they're not going to make it to the moon that's ridiculous. (In Lotus Asia Rinnosuke gets news or something of Sakuya who said nothing ever happened with the rocket, the trip failed etc.) Then they actually made it. :O


@dkpl I enjoyed that yandere alice video, but I can say i'd probably never read a doujin with yandere alice in it. I think tsudere and yandere (more the former) depend on how much you've seen. I don't read much doujinshi (more written stories) much less shipping so those things don't really come up. Yandere was just cool for for the first time, and tsundere I am ambilavent about unless the author specifically does something original/better. I totally agree that believability is huge. That and painfulness. The second season of Shakugun no Shana killed tsundere for me.
dkpl
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada1485 Posts
January 03 2012 08:28 GMT
#3100
I think tsun alice is better for me because I usually see it in comedy stories :D

Case in point:

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+ Show Spoiler [3] +
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Credits to original circle/artist and scanlators
Anopob: also, in between the most familiar parts, necrofantasy is like kekeke and necrofantasia is like bum b um bum
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