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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 27 2012 17:54 GMT
#281
I think they're trying to find scum.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 27 2012 17:59 GMT
#282
gonzaw, you're using scum defense. You're trying to discredit peoples' reads of you by discrediting me. If they agree that you're suspicious, it's because you're acting suspiciously. Stop trying to blame everything on other people.

Townies vote. Townies try and find scum. You're trying to slither out of the spotlight. Just tell us who your teammates are and we'll kill you last.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 27 2012 18:23 GMT
#283
On March 28 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote:
@Nemensis: Was that directed at me?



Either way I'll answer it nevertheless.


I'm waiting for the responses for Blue and Zentor. If none of them respond, or respond very badly, I'd want them lynched, but I'm waiting for both to respond first.
If C_C doesn't come here and post his thoughts before the day ends, then he's not a bad lynch either.
I'm having some doubts about other players, and I'd want their responses before posting my thoughts on them.




PRE-EDIT:

@Zentor: No you didn't. Here is the only part where you referenced it:

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His last post doesn't seem nearly as suspicious as his first two.


You never said why it wasn't as suspicious as the other ones, even though you think I'm scum. And now you don't say why now suddenly you think it's suspicious as well, other than saying "I agree with VE".


One more thing, before you said this about VE:

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VE seems to be promoting a good townie environment and being a lot calmer than BH. I am most afraid of him being scum, because if he were, I would never know.


Which means you have doubts about his alignment.
However, you now decide to take everything he says as true without hesitation, which is the opposite of being "afraid" of him

What exactly about Blue's behaviour is pro-town to you?




PRE-EDIT2:
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On March 28 2012 02:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
gonzaw, I need you to tell me what you think of Cyber_Cheese, and what do you think of my vote of him?


Do I have to repeat myself? Reread my posts if you want to see my stance on him and your vote on him.

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As far as I can tell, you think that "there's too little information". So to get a pass from you, scum need only not post/post policy discussion exclusively D1?


When did I imply anything like that? I always have said since the beginning of dawn in TL that discussion about lurkers, policy lynch, etc is useless to determine someone's alignment. In my games I just post 1 paragraph about it to get it over with and deal with other stuff.
Why would you even say something like that if it is obvious I never said nor implied something similar?

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You said you're "willing to vote him" if he doesn't step up, why not vote him now? You know, in case you can't make it back for lynch or whatever. If he's suspicious enough to vote to lynch then, he's suspicious enough to vote now


I'd be willing to vote for him if he lurks througout the whole day, and doesn't post anything or posts anything of no value.
Basicly, I'll vote for him if his future behaviour is scummy. I don't find him any more suspicious than say ccalf/Sinensis/players that haven't posted too much since.


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...but you're unwilling to even SAY ANYONE IS SUSPICIOUS. A lot has happened in this thread and you should have a firm opinion of at least someone, I don't care who you are. So far everyone (who has posted) has at least a tertiary scum read and has shared it with the thread - you're being overly diplomatic and defensive.


Do I need to tell you everything? I thought you were smarter than that.

I thought it was obvious that the players I'm pressuring, and asking everybody questions about them are the ones I'm suspicious of.

What, do you want me to make a list about who's "suspicious" and who isn't or something?

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Finding scum isn't a priority for you. Prove me wrong. Vote C_C.


I won't do what you want. I want responses, and when I get them I'll assess who is most likely scum and vote for him. I won't try to "prove you wrong" by sheeping you.
If my defense so far isn't good enough for you, well, tough luck, I hope other players think otherwise.


Anyways VE, what do you think about Blue and Zentor?


You only asked what I thought of it, not why I thought what I thought of it.
I think it's suspicious for the reasons VE has stated.
It wasn't as suspicious as the second one I cited, because in that one it seems like you're scared of us thinking you're mafia.
It's suspicious that everybody in this thread has ideas on who is scum, except for you.
Actually, I analyze everything VE says, and, so far, I've agreed with *almost* everything he has said.

Some townie stuff Blue has done.

On March 27 2012 18:32 Bluelightz wrote:
Reads, Reads!

Blazinghand ---> Catapaulted to very sure is townie from his recent posting(Active, Pressuring people, etc) and being funny and awesome in starcraft ^_^

Some random summaries

MrZentor --> Has been following Discussion, has not provided any reads, I'd love some reads from him.

gonzaw --> Has followed discussion, setup speculation, I'd love some reads and more content from him .

ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie

C_C ---> Needs to step up, he has nothing of substance, has not taken a stance on anything yet, I want reads, willing to lynch depending on what he post's next.



On March 27 2012 23:00 Bluelightz wrote:
Zentor, since your here, What is your read on EchelonTee?


On March 27 2012 23:19 Bluelightz wrote:
Hmm VE Good Point, Gonna read some others though, as for my scum read, what do you think of cccalf's response to my post?


On March 27 2012 23:30 Bluelightz wrote:
I don't like his posts, his first post has lots of fluff( I might say but I'm not so sure on this one). his second is setup speculation, it takes TWO posts to get his point out and clear >_>?, wait a sec on his 3rd post still thinking about


On March 27 2012 23:46 Bluelightz wrote:
Alright guys gonna go sleep for tonight, cya in the morning as a summary, C_C and cccalf, and possibly gonzaw I will vote for if you guys want to lynch him in the morning when I wake up, other lynch candidates I will review before voting.


He stated his reads on a bunch of people, asked questions, stated who he will vote for and why




Gonzaw, why was your spacing so strange on your first post?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 18:47 GMT
#284
I seem to be getting a lot of flak for that soviet flag.

Why did I post it?
I was going to post it regardless of pm.
As for my stances
##Vote Bluelightz
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 18:58 GMT
#285
On March 28 2012 03:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I seem to be getting a lot of flak for that soviet flag.

Why did I post it?
I was going to post it regardless of pm.
As for my stances
##Vote Bluelightz

Preparing a decent explaination of my stance on him and a couple of others now, just throwing it out there in advance to give you more time to discuss
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 27 2012 18:59 GMT
#286
Why Bluelightz C_C? That's some defense/case you got there sir.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 27 2012 19:14 GMT
#287
Not liking froggynoddy either...tell me what you guys think.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 19:14 GMT
#288
On March 27 2012 09:33 Bluelightz wrote:
Err, I'm here guys like everyone else, I don't like policy lynches.

Busting out some early reads,VE is town because he has been active and pushing discussion :D


Put simply, why should he feel the need to state he's like everyone else?

On March 27 2012 18:32 Bluelightz wrote:
Reads, Reads!

Blazinghand ---> Catapaulted to very sure is townie from his recent posting(Active, Pressuring people, etc) and being funny and awesome in starcraft ^_^

Some random summaries

MrZentor --> Has been following Discussion, has not provided any reads, I'd love some reads from him.

gonzaw --> Has followed discussion, setup speculation, I'd love some reads and more content from him .

ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie

C_C ---> Needs to step up, he has nothing of substance, has not taken a stance on anything yet, I want reads, willing to lynch depending on what he post's next.


Pointing out townies and asking for discussion isn't as helpful as it seems.

On March 27 2012 15:12 Bluelightz wrote:
I agree with your points Sinensis, He didnt explain his votes in any way, espescially the one on Nemesis, Johhnys points are also sound, I will also be watching him for anything.


Blatant buddying. He also shouldn't need to state that he's watching for suspicious posts, because townies should be doing it anyway.

On March 27 2012 21:55 Bluelightz wrote:
IMO, froggy dont be a new Jackal58 XD,


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On March 27 2012 20:53 zelblade wrote:
I also dont like how bluelightz decides to call cccalf out of all the lurkers (myself included thanks to school) at that point in time.

So, bluelightz, why him? Me and froggy posted one post each filled with useless crap (at that time), zentor and probably a few others didnt do much either. Any particular reason to call out the newbie?



Hmm, so who would be more worrying? A TOTALLY Inactive person or a person that has posted.

On March 27 2012 22:27 Bluelightz wrote:
His response:

You haven't asked or directed anything towards me so what am I supposed to say? It's only the first day, no need to get accusatory. While Blazinghand is being aggressive and a little narcissistic, it's just to stimulate conversation, I don't think he's scum.

Me:

wtf? I push targets I feel scummy and you are one, Day One is same like any other day but the fact that we have no info to go bye, You still seem scummy because you have no substance, NOTHING.




Well theres my response Zelblade(Random question but If I could shorten your name how could I do it?) And, what's your opinion on this as well?


Does anything about that post suggest he's pushing scum to anyone?

Combine those with the fact he's already getting called pro-town by a bunch of people.
Conclusion: Scum.


Also of particular interest to me are Gonzaw and Johnnywup.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 27 2012 19:27 GMT
#289
On March 28 2012 04:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
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On March 27 2012 09:33 Bluelightz wrote:
Err, I'm here guys like everyone else, I don't like policy lynches.

Busting out some early reads,VE is town because he has been active and pushing discussion :D


Put simply, why should he feel the need to state he's like everyone else?

Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 18:32 Bluelightz wrote:
Reads, Reads!

Blazinghand ---> Catapaulted to very sure is townie from his recent posting(Active, Pressuring people, etc) and being funny and awesome in starcraft ^_^

Some random summaries

MrZentor --> Has been following Discussion, has not provided any reads, I'd love some reads from him.

gonzaw --> Has followed discussion, setup speculation, I'd love some reads and more content from him .

ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie

C_C ---> Needs to step up, he has nothing of substance, has not taken a stance on anything yet, I want reads, willing to lynch depending on what he post's next.


Pointing out townies and asking for discussion isn't as helpful as it seems. Neither is pointing out that fact. However, he stated that he's willing to lynch you which you seem to have glazed over. That, by definition, is as helpful as it seems.

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On March 27 2012 15:12 Bluelightz wrote:
I agree with your points Sinensis, He didnt explain his votes in any way, espescially the one on Nemesis, Johhnys points are also sound, I will also be watching him for anything.


Blatant buddying. He also shouldn't need to state that he's watching for suspicious posts, because townies should be doing it anyway. How is it buddying saying you agree with someone? He even gave further input. It's not like he was like "You know what, I trust you on this one" or something, which would be blatant buddying and sheeping - he gave his own reasoning in addition to agreeing with something said. There's nothing indicative of scum here, and the fact that you "think" there is tells a lot about how much you care about finding real scum.

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On March 27 2012 21:55 Bluelightz wrote:
IMO, froggy dont be a new Jackal58 XD,


On March 27 2012 20:53 zelblade wrote:
I also dont like how bluelightz decides to call cccalf out of all the lurkers (myself included thanks to school) at that point in time.

So, bluelightz, why him? Me and froggy posted one post each filled with useless crap (at that time), zentor and probably a few others didnt do much either. Any particular reason to call out the newbie?



Hmm, so who would be more worrying? A TOTALLY Inactive person or a person that has posted.

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On March 27 2012 22:27 Bluelightz wrote:
His response:

You haven't asked or directed anything towards me so what am I supposed to say? It's only the first day, no need to get accusatory. While Blazinghand is being aggressive and a little narcissistic, it's just to stimulate conversation, I don't think he's scum.

Me:

wtf? I push targets I feel scummy and you are one, Day One is same like any other day but the fact that we have no info to go bye, You still seem scummy because you have no substance, NOTHING.




Well theres my response Zelblade(Random question but If I could shorten your name how could I do it?) And, what's your opinion on this as well?


Does anything about that post suggest he's pushing scum to anyone? Yeah - the post you bolded there. The part where he says "I push targets I feel scummy and you are one". That pretty much says exactly that he's pushing scum.

Combine those with the fact he's already getting called pro-town by a bunch of people. What does this have to say about his alignment at all?! Are you suggesting that the people calling him pro-town are all scum trying to protect him or something? What you're saying isn't even making any sense.

Conclusion: Scum. Scum indeed.


Also of particular interest to me are Gonzaw and Johnnywup.


My responses to your bluelightz case are bolded. You're going to be lynched today, if you're town you'd better come up with some better reasoning than this if you expect to save yourself.

I expected more C_C. I am dissapoint.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 20:12 GMT
#290
sorry i haven't posted in a while. school +homework. I'll post my thoughts on everything in a few hours.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 27 2012 20:21 GMT
#291
Oooooh dead thread....

Oooooh I sing to ze dead threeeeeaad....

Oooooh lurkers come join ze plaaaaying
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
March 27 2012 20:26 GMT
#292
I'll be home soon VE-chan <3
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
March 27 2012 21:31 GMT
#293
On March 27 2012 21:55 Bluelightz wrote:
IMO, froggy dont be a new Jackal58 XD,

what does "being a new Jackal" mean in context of froggy's posting?

oh and ur doing that thing where u call everyone townie. would be more helpful if you focused on your scum reads tyvm ^^


response to ppls about my posting:

On March 27 2012 22:32 gonzaw wrote:
@Echelon: What's with your weird wording? Saying things like "hip hip hurrah!" or "you are crAAAzy" and that weird attitude of yours? I don't remember you ever playing like that, seems you may be trolling or something.

1. after I tanked hard in my last town game trying to play "serious aggresive asshole town leader", i'm looking for a new, hopefully less fail-whale town playstyle and you guys are the lucky testing grounds. problem? I'm being way more clear with my "weird wording" than you and you big posts.

On March 27 2012 23:34 MrZentor wrote:
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On March 27 2012 23:00 Bluelightz wrote:
Zentor, since your here, What is your read on EchelonTee?

*cough* you're *cough*

EchelonTee seems to be behaving rather erratically.

He starts by being helpful and explaining how he would treat the game.
On March 27 2012 10:14 EchelonTee wrote:
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On March 27 2012 08:27 slOosh wrote:
On March 27 2012 08:21 froggynoddy wrote:
I am finding this setup really difficult to get my head around (not on the mechanics, just how to play optimally and scumhunt accordingly).


It shouldn't be at all different no? Actually I've been meaning to ask a similar question.
Does a closed-setup in general change basic scumhunting principles or do they just allow/favor different styles of play?


honestly I am treating this game like a standard Mini Mafia, with the knowledge that there is probably a few doods with nukes or powers revolving around nukes. AKA, re-skinned medics/vigs.

and if there's anything I learned from minis, it's that there's always scum hiding in the lurkers. In general I'll always argue against policy lynches (because they're bad) but in a Mini, with so few people town simply cannot afford to have non-contributors whose alignment cannot be determined. People lurking scummily (yeah there's a difference between innocent lurking and scummily lurking) should be axed over someone with only a weak case on them.

gonzaw! shouldn't you be spamming the thread by now?


He continues his good townie streak by questioning BH's play with reasons.
On March 27 2012 12:59 EchelonTee wrote:
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On March 27 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
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On March 27 2012 12:22 Nemesis wrote:
On March 27 2012 11:52 Blazinghand wrote:
/confirm

Good morning, gentlemen.

First off, regarding our discussion of policy lynches: I personally apply a soft "lynch all lurkers" and "lynch all liars" policy to all the games in which I play. My first goal is always to lynch scum. Scum likes to lurk, and scum likes to lie. I am highly suspicious of lurkers and liars, but I will not automatically lynch every lurker and every liar-- this is too easily abused by scum. That being said, I have lynched lurkers and liars in the past and am not afraid to do so in this game. Nobody can convince me to modify my personal stance and I will not do so.

Secondarily, regarding setup: This is fairly simple. This is a closed setup with 10 town and 4 scum. Scum can win by either the traditional fashion, or by destroying 5 specific players or the other 5 specific players as an alternative wincon. It is immediately obvious that we should not share our alignment. Anarcy fo life


On March 27 2012 10:13 Nemesis wrote:
On March 27 2012 08:19 zelblade wrote:
Blabla no lynch bad blahblah

In sch post mre ltr

Do you mind posting something coherent?

On March 27 2012 07:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On March 27 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Perhaps. Perhaps not. I noticed that you didn't give an opinion one way or the other C_C, is there a reason you don't want to commit to a stance?


As town, it's hard to stay with a solid stance. Games change, and ultimately these little things never seem to come up anyway. As mafia, having a solid stance and sticking with it is basically a free pass.
Ultimately, 'lurking' and 'lying' are only a fraction of a persons play.

However, if it's a stance you want:
In my experience, the moment you bother lynching the lurkers is the moment you know mafia are in control of the game, especially if it's done sooner.
WIFOM
If we can conclusively prove someone was lying, that person should be suspect in the first place, and automatically be rated higher than lurkers.
Thanks for stating the obvious.

This is a rather crappy post. Town SHOULD always take a stance. If your stance change throughout the game, then you just have to explain why it changed. Scum are the only one who should fear taking stances, as they can get caught when their explanation doesn't match with their stance.


The town should not take a unified stance. If we rigidly follow a unified stance scum will just crap on us. We must always adapt to the situation at hand. The idea that you're somehow gonna catch scum because of their thoughts on a POLICY LYNCH is so utterly preposterous as to be asinine in character. Policy lynches are the last resort of a lost town, not some vital centerpiece for scumhunting. I hope you can understand that.

[image loading]
In this image: Blazinghand and Nemesis.

Lol, ok one last post before I go to sleep.

Stop misrepresenting what I said to defend your scummate:
1. I never said that town should take a unified stance. Just that they should take a stance on important things.
2. I never said we shouldn't adapt. In fact, I explicitly said that stances do change, and you just need to explain it when they change.
3. I never said that discussing policy lynches are important.

Sinensis, would you please stop inflating useless topics?



1) the idea that the town should take a stance is not good. Individually, we should make our own stances and developed them with the discussion
3) discussion of policy lynches implies they are important. I believe they are important insofar as we use them in an appropriate faction.

It seems to me that your statements are unnecessarily aggressive and are hurting the town atmosphere. Your removal will help the town greatly and improve our discourse.

In any case, I think this will be appropriate:
##Vote: Sinensis

When you wake up I expect some actually helpful posts. Actually, I expect an OMGUS, but ideally you'd make some helpful posts.

[image loading]

come at me bro


preface: this aint no chainsaw

blzinghand, I feel that you're being the unnecessarily aggressive one here. first you say it's bad that nemesis is using policy as a centerpiece for lynching, then you state it's bad that nemesis says policy lynch discussion isn't important? your arguement doesn't flow. and dude, you misread his original post; he's saying "town should take stance" as in townies should each have their own stance. ur being all flashy and stuff. is this normal BH?

+ Show Spoiler +
where do you get your gifs?


He then starts to go crazy.
On March 27 2012 13:15 EchelonTee wrote:
blzinghand i think you talking craAAAzzzy, and not the crazy I like. I mean just look at this nonsensical post
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On March 27 2012 13:04 Blazinghand wrote:
But the fact of the matter is, he did somehow wake up to respond to my posts. He will doubtlessly claim that he hadn't yet gone to bed... but bear in mind that his series of actions is distinctly something a scum player WOULD do.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Blazinghand: I thought you went to sleep.
Nemesis: I was just checking thr-
Blazinghand: He lied!! Townies never wake back up!! Lynch!!!
Jubjubs (chanting): It makes so much sense!


He then transitions from crazy back to normal good townie in this post.
On March 27 2012 14:09 EchelonTee wrote:
TAKE ON SOMEONE YOUR OWN SIZE BUB

##vote: Blazinghand

Being good at arguing doesn't make you town. At this point you're just wildly voting people. Sowing dat chaos. Way to take the one off statement in his post and ignore the rest. You're voting people off of semantic mistakes as opposed to having any real reasoning, so thread flounders under your boot. As you might say, this kind of thinking hurts town. Scum.


He does this a few times throughout his posts. To be honest, I can't decide if this is town or mafia behavior. He could be a town who is mixing BH's and VE's styles. He could be scum trying to make it seem like he is helping town while sowing chaos. I'll let somebody else decide. :/


2. uhhh you didn't really comment anything about me at all lol. all you did was list a bunch of my posts, noting that one of them was more crAAAzy than the others. however the content of that post is part of an ongoing line of thought on BH. just b/c i posted a gif doesn't make my arguements erratic.

It's also really suspect that you say "I'll let somebody else decide". TAKE A STANCE, BE A MAN


On March 27 2012 23:41 zelblade wrote:
On a more serious note I do agree with the rest of your post. ET is acting off to me, and I dont really like this new posting style of his. Whilst it seems different from a couple of his scum games I have read, this playstyle of his doesnt exactly mirror his town play either.

I also dont like him voting blazinghand, unvoting after johnny joins his wagon, only explaining why after he gets called out like a few hours later. Would a "sorry guys I reread and dont feel blzinghand is scum anymore..."

Ill be keeping a eye on him for sure.

3. so essentially you're saying that my play this game is different from my scum play and my town play.
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if my posting starts sowing chaos or makes me sound unclear go ahead and call me out brudder, but at the moment your logic don't make sense.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 27 2012 21:43 GMT
#294
Now, on to pertinent stuff ET. Today's lynch. Who do you support a lynch of and why? I'll require your full thoughts on both Cyber_Cheese and gonzaw, and if neither of those are acceptable lynches, I'm going to require another name and full reasoning for wanting to split the town's vote today.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 21:51 GMT
#295
On March 28 2012 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 04:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On March 27 2012 09:33 Bluelightz wrote:
Err, I'm here guys like everyone else, I don't like policy lynches.

Busting out some early reads,VE is town because he has been active and pushing discussion :D


Put simply, why should he feel the need to state he's like everyone else?

On March 27 2012 18:32 Bluelightz wrote:
Reads, Reads!

Blazinghand ---> Catapaulted to very sure is townie from his recent posting(Active, Pressuring people, etc) and being funny and awesome in starcraft ^_^

Some random summaries

MrZentor --> Has been following Discussion, has not provided any reads, I'd love some reads from him.

gonzaw --> Has followed discussion, setup speculation, I'd love some reads and more content from him .

ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie

C_C ---> Needs to step up, he has nothing of substance, has not taken a stance on anything yet, I want reads, willing to lynch depending on what he post's next.


Pointing out townies and asking for discussion isn't as helpful as it seems. Neither is pointing out that fact. However, he stated that he's willing to lynch you which you seem to have glazed over. That, by definition, is as helpful as it seems.

On March 27 2012 15:12 Bluelightz wrote:
I agree with your points Sinensis, He didnt explain his votes in any way, espescially the one on Nemesis, Johhnys points are also sound, I will also be watching him for anything.


Blatant buddying. He also shouldn't need to state that he's watching for suspicious posts, because townies should be doing it anyway. How is it buddying saying you agree with someone? He even gave further input. It's not like he was like "You know what, I trust you on this one" or something, which would be blatant buddying and sheeping - he gave his own reasoning in addition to agreeing with something said. There's nothing indicative of scum here, and the fact that you "think" there is tells a lot about how much you care about finding real scum.

On March 27 2012 21:55 Bluelightz wrote:
IMO, froggy dont be a new Jackal58 XD,


On March 27 2012 20:53 zelblade wrote:
I also dont like how bluelightz decides to call cccalf out of all the lurkers (myself included thanks to school) at that point in time.

So, bluelightz, why him? Me and froggy posted one post each filled with useless crap (at that time), zentor and probably a few others didnt do much either. Any particular reason to call out the newbie?



Hmm, so who would be more worrying? A TOTALLY Inactive person or a person that has posted.

On March 27 2012 22:27 Bluelightz wrote:
His response:

You haven't asked or directed anything towards me so what am I supposed to say? It's only the first day, no need to get accusatory. While Blazinghand is being aggressive and a little narcissistic, it's just to stimulate conversation, I don't think he's scum.

Me:

wtf? I push targets I feel scummy and you are one, Day One is same like any other day but the fact that we have no info to go bye, You still seem scummy because you have no substance, NOTHING.




Well theres my response Zelblade(Random question but If I could shorten your name how could I do it?) And, what's your opinion on this as well?


Does anything about that post suggest he's pushing scum to anyone? Yeah - the post you bolded there. The part where he says "I push targets I feel scummy and you are one". That pretty much says exactly that he's pushing scum.

Combine those with the fact he's already getting called pro-town by a bunch of people. What does this have to say about his alignment at all?! Are you suggesting that the people calling him pro-town are all scum trying to protect him or something? What you're saying isn't even making any sense.

Conclusion: Scum. Scum indeed.


Also of particular interest to me are Gonzaw and Johnnywup.


My responses to your bluelightz case are bolded. You're going to be lynched today, if you're town you'd better come up with some better reasoning than this if you expect to save yourself.

I expected more C_C. I am dissapoint.

Awww, you felt like you had to defend him.
Cute
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 27 2012 21:53 GMT
#296
Awwww, you thought I was defending him when in fact I was pointing out how logically ridiculous your "case" was.

Precious C_C. Maybe now you can do something useful? Maybe find scum? No? You can die then.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
March 27 2012 21:53 GMT
#297
On March 28 2012 01:22 slOosh wrote:
Q for Zelblade:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 23:51 zelblade wrote:
I dont like gonzaw either. His activity is a pretty huge drop from a certain game, and his posts havent really done much in the way of scumhunting, besides generic advice. I also dont like how he dodges the C_C matter completely, and your point is the nail in the coffin. If C_C does indeed flip scum I say theres a huge chance gonzaw is scum too.

Where did this come from?


I'm taking back this question, it makes sense after catching up.
Did a rough read of the thread so far - I don't see anything too conclusive from the BH talks.

As for C_C, still waiting for him to post something.
I've looked at gonzaw and I do agree with this post from VE,.
(From what I understand) He thinks Bluelightz is scum but he hasn't actually posted a case on him.


Gonzaw could you just post the case on him instead of asking people to look at him?



On March 28 2012 02:14 Nemesis wrote:
EBWOP If you don't think that the current lynch candidates are good, why don't you come up with your own? Who do you think is scum right now?

I didn't say that the current candidates weren't good / bad - I just wanted more discussion / information to make better decisions. I think we should consolidate upon the pool of candidates so that we can focus discussion, so I'm evaluating the current candidates instead of bringing up more.

By night time (when I can post in detail) I hope both C_C and gonzaw will have put up more stuff to work with.

VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 27 2012 22:11 GMT
#298
On March 28 2012 06:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 28 2012 04:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On March 27 2012 09:33 Bluelightz wrote:
Err, I'm here guys like everyone else, I don't like policy lynches.

Busting out some early reads,VE is town because he has been active and pushing discussion :D


Put simply, why should he feel the need to state he's like everyone else?

On March 27 2012 18:32 Bluelightz wrote:
Reads, Reads!

Blazinghand ---> Catapaulted to very sure is townie from his recent posting(Active, Pressuring people, etc) and being funny and awesome in starcraft ^_^

Some random summaries

MrZentor --> Has been following Discussion, has not provided any reads, I'd love some reads from him.

gonzaw --> Has followed discussion, setup speculation, I'd love some reads and more content from him .

ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie

C_C ---> Needs to step up, he has nothing of substance, has not taken a stance on anything yet, I want reads, willing to lynch depending on what he post's next.


Pointing out townies and asking for discussion isn't as helpful as it seems. Neither is pointing out that fact. However, he stated that he's willing to lynch you which you seem to have glazed over. That, by definition, is as helpful as it seems.

On March 27 2012 15:12 Bluelightz wrote:
I agree with your points Sinensis, He didnt explain his votes in any way, espescially the one on Nemesis, Johhnys points are also sound, I will also be watching him for anything.


Blatant buddying. He also shouldn't need to state that he's watching for suspicious posts, because townies should be doing it anyway. How is it buddying saying you agree with someone? He even gave further input. It's not like he was like "You know what, I trust you on this one" or something, which would be blatant buddying and sheeping - he gave his own reasoning in addition to agreeing with something said. There's nothing indicative of scum here, and the fact that you "think" there is tells a lot about how much you care about finding real scum.

On March 27 2012 21:55 Bluelightz wrote:
IMO, froggy dont be a new Jackal58 XD,


On March 27 2012 20:53 zelblade wrote:
I also dont like how bluelightz decides to call cccalf out of all the lurkers (myself included thanks to school) at that point in time.

So, bluelightz, why him? Me and froggy posted one post each filled with useless crap (at that time), zentor and probably a few others didnt do much either. Any particular reason to call out the newbie?



Hmm, so who would be more worrying? A TOTALLY Inactive person or a person that has posted.

On March 27 2012 22:27 Bluelightz wrote:
His response:

You haven't asked or directed anything towards me so what am I supposed to say? It's only the first day, no need to get accusatory. While Blazinghand is being aggressive and a little narcissistic, it's just to stimulate conversation, I don't think he's scum.

Me:

wtf? I push targets I feel scummy and you are one, Day One is same like any other day but the fact that we have no info to go bye, You still seem scummy because you have no substance, NOTHING.




Well theres my response Zelblade(Random question but If I could shorten your name how could I do it?) And, what's your opinion on this as well?


Does anything about that post suggest he's pushing scum to anyone? Yeah - the post you bolded there. The part where he says "I push targets I feel scummy and you are one". That pretty much says exactly that he's pushing scum.

Combine those with the fact he's already getting called pro-town by a bunch of people. What does this have to say about his alignment at all?! Are you suggesting that the people calling him pro-town are all scum trying to protect him or something? What you're saying isn't even making any sense.

Conclusion: Scum. Scum indeed.


Also of particular interest to me are Gonzaw and Johnnywup.


My responses to your bluelightz case are bolded. You're going to be lynched today, if you're town you'd better come up with some better reasoning than this if you expect to save yourself.

I expected more C_C. I am dissapoint.

Awww, you felt like you had to defend him.
Cute


Clearly C_C has said his piece slOosh. It's up to town to decide now.
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 22:24 GMT
#299
[quote=O/T, someone asked]Im fine with being called C_C, Cyber, Cheese, CC, whatever. As long as I can tell you meant me, anything is fine. (Including curses)[/quote]

On March 28 2012 06:53 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 01:22 slOosh wrote:
Q for Zelblade:
On March 27 2012 23:51 zelblade wrote:
I dont like gonzaw either. His activity is a pretty huge drop from a certain game, and his posts havent really done much in the way of scumhunting, besides generic advice. I also dont like how he dodges the C_C matter completely, and your point is the nail in the coffin. If C_C does indeed flip scum I say theres a huge chance gonzaw is scum too.

Where did this come from?


I'm taking back this question, it makes sense after catching up.
Did a rough read of the thread so far - I don't see anything too conclusive from the BH talks.

As for C_C, still waiting for him to post something.
I've looked at gonzaw and I do agree with this post from VE,.
(From what I understand) He thinks Bluelightz is scum but he hasn't actually posted a case on him.


Gonzaw could you just post the case on him instead of asking people to look at him?



Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 02:14 Nemesis wrote:
EBWOP If you don't think that the current lynch candidates are good, why don't you come up with your own? Who do you think is scum right now?

I didn't say that the current candidates weren't good / bad - I just wanted more discussion / information to make better decisions. I think we should consolidate upon the pool of candidates so that we can focus discussion, so I'm evaluating the current candidates instead of bringing up more.

By night time (when I can post in detail) I hope both C_C and gonzaw will have put up more stuff to work with.


Like it or not, I think Bluelightz is scum for the reasons provided.

What do people think of this guy?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&user=45996
Note the extreme neutrality and the fixation on his useless question

Also this:
On March 27 2012 14:55 Sinensis wrote:
While I'm at it, here is what I think of johnnywup:

I think he is ballsy to go after BlazingHand because BlazingHand is seemingly going after anyone who will pay him any attention. I don't think a mafia player would go after BlazingHand, because doing so risks being in the spotlight; BlazingHand being a very aggressive player at the moment.
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 22:49 GMT
#300
I personally don't see anything wrong with C_C's posting. However I think that EchelonTree is super suspicious. Sides with me until the moment I vote. Admittedly the argument that BH posted to change his mind was a strong one. But what makes me wonder if ET is scum is...

On March 27 2012 16:31 EchelonTee wrote:
so i was all like "BH's tunneling on nemesis is not very good, I don't like it". then I saw this and was like j.wup busting out the logic woot, my earlier suspicion on mr. wup was wrong! BH is being wildly scummy! But then BH reacted alright to ma prezzure, so then I re-read the post mr. wup and realized it was actually not good at all and I was a dumdum to think it was good so then I unvoted.

AKA

Nemesis case bad. J.wup case good.

First of all, my argument was strong at the time. He was acting scummy, in my opinion. But he defended himself well. So my argument fell apart. Which is fine.

But the thing is, previously you said
On March 27 2012 15:13 EchelonTee wrote:Am I REALLY being unhelpful BH? Are you REALLY being more helpful than me, with your subversive aggression?

I don't expect a logical response, I expect OMGUS. Other people can comment on this if they wish. You're making utterly no sense.

which ties into you saying I'm more scummy because BH defended himself well and my argument fell apart.
On March 27 2012 17:12 EchelonTee wrote:
here's how it goes mr. wup, i'm going to let you into the mind of ET.

I have an excel sheet. Everyone is on a scale of 1-5, town-scum. Everyone starts at 3. After the first few pages, I put you at a 4. After your post on BH, I put you to a 3. After the last 2 pages, I put you back to 4.

In thread it looks like a 180 I spose, but I put people's alignments on a sliding scale.


You made the same argument as me, that BH's posts were nonsensical. But after "rereading my posts after finding BHs argument to be strong" you found my argument was weak. This doesn't make me scummy, unless it makes you scummy as well, since you had the same opinion. Admittedly, BH's argument was pretty good and I don't fault you for unvoting. Arguments fall apart. Mine did. So why does that make me scum?

Why so hypocritical?
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