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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Looks a lot like a preemptive defense to me. "Before you ever question me, remember I tried to rescue that one guy" Sinani didn´t get 3 posts together without a votelist or playerlist. Just because he flipped blue, it doesn´t mean anything. We made a mistake, but we did it (mostly) for the right reasons. Tl;dr Hindsight is a bitch, but you´re not as confirmed as you think | ||
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stefftastiq
Norway205 Posts
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On June 07 2011 07:24 Mataza wrote: Ya, OMGUS is a nice word indeed^^ According to that logic you just have to accuse everyone and see who accuses back, Tada scum! My meta on Steff is that he looks really helpless. It doesn´t make him town. I thought about putting Hesmyrr and OriginalName in red. But I really wanted to put them one suspicion category lower than you. You were dodgy as hell, and even said "I defended Sinani, he flipped blue, therefore I must be green" We all know that it made you look better. So why do you try to rub it in? Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaase stop using the word meta. ESPECIALLY when you clearly dont know what it means AT ALL. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On June 07 2011 07:29 Mataza wrote: Addendum: Looks a lot like a preemptive defense to me. "Before you ever question me, remember I tried to rescue that one guy" Sinani didn´t get 3 posts together without a votelist or playerlist. Just because he flipped blue, it doesn´t mean anything. We made a mistake, but we did it (mostly) for the right reasons. Tl;dr Hindsight is a bitch, but you´re not as confirmed as you think No one is cleared for going against the sinani lynch. YM is looking town because of what he is doing in the aftermath. Honestly I though he was a little scummy looking before the lynch, but after he's looking much more helpful. You haven't done much to help the town at this point, and tunneling YM is useless to us right now. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
What´s your problem with shortening that? | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On June 07 2011 07:50 Mataza wrote: Meta as in short for meta behavior read. What´s your problem with shortening that? No, its short for Metagaming which represents their behaviour across all the games (or an amount of games) across a period of time and comparing it to how they act now. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On June 07 2011 07:51 OriginalName wrote: No, its short for Metagaming which represents their behaviour across all the games (or an amount of games) across a period of time and comparing it to how they act now. You read their behavior in comparison to their previous games. @Kavdragon I don´t exactly see how youngminii has shown his greenitude after the lynch.
And now I am suddenly the most obvious scum. If I knew I get town cred by telling people what happens if we discuss cop and doc targets for the night, hell I would be all over that. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Docs, don´t protect me as scum will consider me an easy lynch tomorrow. Also Palmar and Prplhz are probably considered easy lynches, don´t protect them either. Cops, check people who have been very hard to read so far, like Kavdragon, Stefftastic, unichan and OriginalName. Do I deserve town cred for this? How about if Youngminii would do this? | ||
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stefftastiq
Norway205 Posts
my guess is that atleast one of them are fairly active i.e. one of the guys posting a lot of derailing posts which confuse people -> palmar or mataza? also i would guess theres one of the other more silent players which just stays in the back trying not to draw to much attention and "blend in" with the inactive townies - thats the one we have to get attention to, jeejee, unichan, kavdragon ? | ||
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stefftastiq
Norway205 Posts
Okay. prplhz Palmar Mataza stefftastiq OriginalName You're all on my huge FoS list if Sinani flips non-red. I can't think of any reason why you all have such a strong opinion about lynching him. His actions are very non-scummy. If he had mafia friends I'd assume they'd try to change discussion to something else other than lynching him. Basically makes half the players <.< Also, Varpulis jumping around with his voting pattern, basically accusing everyone. Don't know what to make of that, just noting it. As for my vote, I'm basically defending Sinani now and I agree with Varpulis' plan. Also: Just saying, he was an aybsmal townie in the first place. It's not a huge loss in the end. ##Vote OriginalName @youngminii you obviously copied this votelist from GM's post - but WHY did you remove unichans name from the vote list? he had a vote sinani as well - it it was not on the top of the list nor on the bottom.... so cant really blame it from a bad copy/paste or something. Why werent you suspicious about unichan? | ||
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stefftastiq
Norway205 Posts
while reading back I also see that you removed Varpulis name from the list - not suspicious of him either? Varpulis + youngmini + unichan got a little thing going on ? | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
Check this out: Sinani asks if vets can be lynched (something that was an obvious vet claim to me at the time) and three posts later, OriginalName posts this jem: On June 06 2011 06:58 OriginalName wrote: ##Unvote Stephfftastiq - ok yeah im a hypocrite but thats life. Im sorry if I didnt make it clear that I didnt like Mataza and Palmer that much, however since neither of them are likely to be lynched (and Palmer somewhat improving) I'd still like to point out that most of Mataza's posts are fairly useless and absurd fluff. On a side note, using Meta to defend oneself is nearly pointless as you could theoreticaly came in with a much different playstyle to being with. Sinani is a ok lynch target only because hes being completely useless rather then just somewhat so like others [spoiler][yes including myself -_-/spoiler]. While lists can organize data postcount really doesnt matter as you could have someone with 10 long content filled posts or, 20 short spam notes just flip flopping your vote around pressuring others while making you seem pro-town while you don't do much else. I will go along with a Sinani lynch for now but I would like to consider elsewhere as nobody is really connected to him and hes probably being thrown under the metaphorical bus, he also thinks practically everyone is scummy. ##Vote Sinani206 Look at this post: There is more in that post explaining why sinani is innocent than there is condeming him. The last paragraph in particular is condeming. "I'll go along with it for now..." He says that he'll go along with is, but he says it really reluctantly. If you are reluctant to vote someone, why are you voting them!? "But I would like to consider somwhere else as nobody is really connected to him and hes probably being thrown under the metaphorical bus" He even defends him, pointing out the two things that were wrong with the lynch, and procedes to vote him!. This is EXACTLY the sort of thing that you look for afterwards. What he says in his post and what he proceds to vote are a COMPLETE CONTADICTION. He cannot say with conviction that Sinani is scum, because he knows that he is not his scum buddy! Let's also look at who he pulled his vote off of in order to vote sinani: Steff. Up to this point he's said that mataza has been playing badly and at least insinuated that he was scum, along with palmer. However, he's never felt strongly enough to vote them. He voted Steff: On June 06 2011 02:46 OriginalName wrote: At the Moment most of my opinions from yesterday still stand. The only really new thing I have to bring to the table is i'm going to push stefftastiq harder as in anycase lynching lurkers now is better than having them at Lylo, and considering this is a mini game this is going to come much much sooner than we want. I highly suggest lynching him today unless he really steps up. ##Vote Stefftastiq He says that "his opinion from yesterday still stands" implying that he though that steff was lynch worthy for the past two days. (one game day). The key thing here is that he "highly suggests lynching [steff] unless he really steps it up." Steff didn't step it up, yet he pulls his vote off of him ONE POST LATER, and reluctantly votes for Sinani. This makes no sense. He shows that he actually has very little conviction behind what he is saying, and is not conserned with who is lynched. Classic scum mentality. Looking past the sinani vote, in all of his posts up to the lynch (when people are trying to push the lynch onto him) he never once denys peoples accusations, and instead of defending himself, he just pushes for sinani harder. That's not how townies play. Townies don't lynch other people just so that they stay alive. You look for someone else who looks like scum (steff)and push for that instead of the person you think we should not be focusing on (sinani). OriginalName has played enough games to know better than that. Original Name is scum. This is about as clear cut as it gets folks. OriginalName is the obvious choice for a day 2 lynch. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On June 07 2011 08:11 Mataza wrote: @Kavdragon And now I am suddenly the most obvious scum. I never called you scum? I just said that what you were doing was not helpful. + Show Spoiler + Why so defensive? | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I meant that I am the most obvious according to youngminii,of course, and others. At least Varpulis and OriginalName said I am worth a cop check. It wasn´t on my list of Youngminiis actions, since it isn´t him alone that mentioned me in the "almost confirmed scum corner". I don´t see the problem here. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:39 OriginalName wrote: Town: Steff More evidence that he has no real opinions. This is one of my favorite ways to catch scum, because I've played scum, and I know how hard it is to avoid slips like this. It's really hard to think that someone is scum, because you know they are innocent. (I mean to really think that someone is scum. Anyone can say someone is scum, but it's really hard to make a convincing argument for them because you KNOW that they are innocent. because of this scum will often say one thing, then say the other because they have no real opinion, but they are forced to say something by the town. Then we cross reference it with thier previous reads, and if they have changed their minds (WITHOUT A REASON) Boom. Huge scum tell. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On June 07 2011 09:47 Mataza wrote: Lol Kav, taking 2 ends of a paragraph and they don´t fit wtf. I meant that I am the most obvious according to youngminii,of course, and others. At least Varpulis and OriginalName said I am worth a cop check. It wasn´t on my list of Youngminiis actions, since it isn´t him alone that mentioned me in the "almost confirmed scum corner". I don´t see the problem here. My bad then. You can see how I might have been confused seeing as that statement was in the paragraph directly below my name... | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
On June 07 2011 08:35 stefftastiq wrote: @youngminii while reading back I also see that you removed Varpulis name from the list - not suspicious of him either? Varpulis + youngmini + unichan got a little thing going on ? I don't see what I have to do with this, youngminii is on my suspicions list. ATM I'm reading town as: JeeJee His posts have been generally helpful and safe. He's done a couple of mentor type posts which is more of a town-friendly thing to do rather than a scum thing to do. Scum's first instinct wouldn't be to help others out. dementrio Hesmyrr's posts read town to me and dementrio has continued this trend. Palmar He redeemed himself after a bout of shitty posting. Kavdragon I'm leaning town with him now since he raised a good point about OriginalName Scum: OriginalName For obvious reasons, Kavdragon made some good points. Also his earlier posts What kind of a bullshit response is that? He's been acting more and more scummy as his posts have went on. Prphlz It looks like he was the first one to jump on sinani for posting useless fluff, and started the whole bandwagon. ???: Varpulis changed his vote many times yesterday without explanation. Jumped from lurker to lurker, and finally settled on sinani, not sure what this means. youngminii I don't know what to think of this guy anymore. He had a couple of contradictions in his earlier posts which raised my suspicions but in the end he defended sinani. This could all be a guise though. mataza + stefftastiq I don't know anymore tbh | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Day 2 ![[image loading]](http://www.brendagrulkelpc.com/resources/rising-sun.jpg) The sun rose over the village, the terrified villagers walked out of their many huts and congregated, trying to find out who had been struck by tragedy that night. The result was obvious Mataza was no where to be found. The concerned villagers quickly made their way to his house, only to find his corpse, in several dozen pieces, scattered across the rooms of the house. Written in his blood was a message from the killer, it read "Tomorrow it could be you " The townies gathered their strength and prepared for another hard fought day, things looked grim, but there was still hope. Mataza, the Vanilla Townie has been murdered It is now day 2! Vote for who is to be lynched, as usual you have 48 hours. | ||
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